Sherwood: Some of my players think they are doing Spurs a favour!

[mawspurs]

Tim Sherwood claims his Tottenham players are too big for their boots.

Read the full article at Daily Star

 

[JAYSTAR]

To be fair, it does look that way on the pitch pretty often, it just shows up more when players have no respect for the manager as well. Of course it shouldn't, but it does. I hope all this exposure of our problems as a club, means we can keep things quiet now for a few seasons.

 

[millsey]

Name names, may as well on your way out. We need to get rid of these sort of players. They've been at our club for years

 

[buckley]

man unt players looked like they had the same (no respect) problem as the spurs players the difference being that moyes as a true pro has kept his mouth shut on the problems he had only going as far as not mentioning his players in his farewell speech i doubt the true facts of the man unt saga will ever surface
our problem is we have a manager who cannot gain the respect of his own team in fact he has alienated most of them
sherwood has blamed the fans the players the people above him the only person he does not blame is himself in fact if you was at war and wanted to send someone on a secret mission to cause as much mayhem as possible sherwood would be your man
he cannot keep his mouth shut
he cannot keep his own council
he cannot command respect from players or fans
he can talk about things that should be in house
he can get players to not respect him
he can make most fans dislike and distrust him
to me he knows he is not to be the man after the villa game and is trying to leave mayhem and problems in his wake
does he not realise that the right man will have the fans the players the board on side in the blink of an eye

 

[avonspurs]

Ah, the old "if they knew I was here for 'x' years, they'd respect me" argument.

FACT: he signed an 18mth contract, nothing greater. So talking about 5yrs is immaterial.
FACT: he stated that him and Levy would be sitting down at the end of the season to discuss things. So why should he expect conversations about extending his contract before that?
FACT: he has said top 4 is required for it to be classed as a success. He hasnt got top 4 so, by his own words, this season and his tenure is a failure (yes, I know he's now suddenly changed this to "only thing I was asked to do is provide more exciting football")

The man is gone (fingers crossed) so he's now setting himself up for the sympathy vote. Well done to him for that, I applaud him. However, I won't be giving him any sympathy - he doesnt deserve any.

 

[onthetwo]

man unt players looked like they had the same (no respect) problem as the spurs players the difference being that moyes as a true pro has kept his mouth shut on the problems he had only going as far as not mentioning his players in his farewell speech i doubt the true facts of the man unt saga will ever surface
our problem is we have a manager who cannot gain the respect of his own team in fact he has alienated most of them
sherwood has blamed the fans the players the people above him the only person he does not blame is himself in fact if you was at war and wanted to send someone on a secret mission to cause as much mayhem as possible sherwood would be your man
he cannot keep his mouth shut
he cannot keep his own council
he cannot command respect from players or fans
he can talk about things that should be in house
he can get players to not respect him
he can make most fans dislike and distrust him
to me he knows he is not to be the man after the villa game and is trying to leave mayhem and problems in his wake
does he not realise that the right man will have the fans the players the board on side in the blink of an eye

the good news is its nearly over....until next season when the nonsense will probably start agin!

 

[greaves]

Ah, the old "if they knew I was here for 'x' years, they'd respect me" argument.

FACT: he signed an 18mth contract, nothing greater. So talking about 5yrs is immaterial.
FACT: he stated that him and Levy would be sitting down at the end of the season to discuss things. So why should he expect conversations about extending his contract before that?
FACT: he has said top 4 is required for it to be classed as a success. He hasnt got top 4 so, by his own words, this season and his tenure is a failure (yes, I know he's now suddenly changed this to "only thing I was asked to do is provide more exciting football")

The man is gone (fingers crossed) so he's now setting himself up for the sympathy vote. Well done to him for that, I applaud him. However, I won't be giving him any sympathy - he doesnt deserve any.

This may all be true. But, of course, it should not deflect from the possibility that there are players who have an unmerited sense of entitlement. I cannot rule that out. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater and pin the entire club's ills on Sherwood. It is understandable, in an atavistic kind of way, but simplistic and rather one-dimensional. Sherwood' situation is not the sickness itself, it is a symptom of a deeper systemic malaise with no single simple solution.

 

[avonspurs]

This may all be true. But, of course, it should not deflect from the possibility that there are players who have an unmerited sense of entitlement. I cannot rule that out. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater and pin the entire club's ills on Sherwood. It is understandable, in an atavistic kind of way, but simplistic and rather one-dimensional. Sherwood' situation is not the sickness itself, it is a symptom of a deeper systemic malaise with no single simple solution.

Yes, you are right of course - you would, I assume, find that in all clubs and, indeed, it was being discussed on the radio last night in relation to Dyke's proposals (sense that, particularly (but not solely) British players) make too much money too soon and think they have 'made it', etc).

However, respect for the manager is earned - you either earn it through your past exploits (as a player or a manager) OR you earn it in the way you treat people. Clearly, from TS's own words, the players aren't respecting him - he believes it's because he's seen as a 'temporary' manager. I would suggest it's more to do with the fact that he is unknown as a manager to most of the players (especially the foreign players) and/or hasn't earned their respect in the way he treats them (either in private (which, of course, I am not privy to) or in public)

There is a deeper issue in the club, you are right, but TS's media show yesterday smacked of someone who was looking for the sympathy vote and, therefore, he needs to look at his own actions in creating this situation. He is not entirely to blame, but he is also not blameless.

 

[Dennism]

Sherwood is not like a supply teacher. They are qualified and have had experience in the classroom. He could not be bothered to get his coaching qualifications and has no relevant experience. All he has done is create division and friction at the club. The sooner he goes the better. The club is like a comedy show with this joker in charge. When we get a serious manager hopefully we can become a proper football club again. Goodbye Tim and do not darken our door again.

 

[Bennys LOL]

To be honest, i have had that impression of you Mr Sherwood. You have always come across like your doing the club a favour by being in charge. just shush and leave quietly plz.

 

[greaves]

Yes, you are right of course - you would, I assume, find that in all clubs and, indeed, it was being discussed on the radio last night in relation to Dyke's proposals (sense that, particularly (but not solely) British players) make too much money too soon and think they have 'made it', etc).

However, respect for the manager is earned - you either earn it through your past exploits (as a player or a manager) OR you earn it in the way you treat people. Clearly, from TS's own words, the players aren't respecting him - he believes it's because he's seen as a 'temporary' manager. I would suggest it's more to do with the fact that he is unknown as a manager to most of the players (especially the foreign players) and/or hasn't earned their respect in the way he treats them (either in private (which, of course, I am not privy to) or in public)

There is a deeper issue in the club, you are right, but TS's media show yesterday smacked of someone who was looking for the sympathy vote and, therefore, he needs to look at his own actions in creating this situation. He is not entirely to blame, but he is also not blameless.

Fair enough! I think the Sherwood thing boring now (itself,and the fan/media reactions to it that then become part of the sideshow and dramatise it further) and largely irrelevant. Fans will miss Sherwood when he is gone, because there will no visible Spurs cipher left to sneer at. The board, of course, is as silent as it is invisible. And that suits them just fine. I am not a Sherwood fan particularly, lest I am painted into a good versus evil corner! But yeah. Let's move on. Dead horse is dead. Pleasure over.

 

[vigospur]

Yes, you are right of course - you would, I assume, find that in all clubs and, indeed, it was being discussed on the radio last night in relation to Dyke's proposals (sense that, particularly (but not solely) British players) make too much money too soon and think they have 'made it', etc).

However, respect for the manager is earned - you either earn it through your past exploits (as a player or a manager) OR you earn it in the way you treat people. Clearly, from TS's own words, the players aren't respecting him - he believes it's because he's seen as a 'temporary' manager. I would suggest it's more to do with the fact that he is unknown as a manager to most of the players (especially the foreign players) and/or hasn't earned their respect in the way he treats them (either in private (which, of course, I am not privy to) or in public)

There is a deeper issue in the club, you are right, but TS's media show yesterday smacked of someone who was looking for the sympathy vote and, therefore, he needs to look at his own actions in creating this situation. He is not entirely to blame, but he is also not blameless.

I agree. In reality he is 4 or 5 out of ten. Anyone wanting to give him 1 or 0 cannot remember Gross or Neill.
And how would they have reacted if Sherwood's team had gone out of the Europa League 6-1 against Red Bull Salzburg ( F de Boer / Ajax / Feb 2014).

 

[greaves]

I agree. In reality he is 4 or 5 out of ten. Anyone wanting to give him 1 or 0 cannot remember Gross or Neill.
And how would they have reacted if Sherwood's team had gone out of the Europa League 6-1 against Red Bull Salzburg ( F de Boer / Ajax / Feb 2014).

Ah. I think we would all, as one big innocent crowd, have to call that 'an aberration'. It spoils the picture, the dream of perfection!

 

[shivermechivers]

Its the 11 on the pitch that dictate our success or failure.
About time they played for the badge we love.
New manager, don't make me laugh they will play great for five minutes until their own agenda distracts them.
I'll support this club whatever league they're in. Players come & go.

 

[Japhet]

Sherwood is probably right in what he says, but he's the one who should be managing them. If I was playing at CB and I saw Paulinho and Siggi as the CMF pairing in front of me I'd feel pretty low (especially when Sandro has been labelled 'not good enough'). Sherwood may have been able to get results from the development squad like this but you don't treat first teamers the way he has done, especially not in public. When the morale has been shot to bits the inevitable outcome is that players will be looking for a way out. So you can take a bow for that TS.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

"They think they're doing us a favour by being Tottenham players"

Looking at some of the performances of many of our squad this season i'd have to agree with him.

 

[chinaman]

This latest outburst from him only shows what a vindictive character he has. He is purposely painting a horrible picture of the club in public hoping to scare of his potential replacement.

With the exception of Ade, none of our first team squad has spoken ill of AVB.

So we can compare their character.

 

[thinktank]

To the bitter end. SMH

 

[E17yid]

Hugo is doing us a massive favour by playing for us

 

[CrazyHeart]

Fair enough! I think the Sherwood thing boring now (itself,and the fan/media reactions to it that then become part of the sideshow and dramatise it further) and largely irrelevant. Fans will miss Sherwood when he is gone, because there will no visible Spurs cipher left to sneer at. The board, of course, is as silent as it is invisible. And that suits them just fine. I am not a Sherwood fan particularly, lest I am painted into a good versus evil corner! But yeah. Let's move on. Dead horse is dead. Pleasure over.

It won't be over until he's gone.