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Krafty

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Keane has gone, Berbatov is off, King might be crocked, but it doesn’t really matter because we have King Juande.

While players throw their dummies out the pram and the fans lament a defeat as the end of the world, it’s great to see the absolute composure of our manager. Whether it is on the touchline or in the interviews he gives, his demeanour is one of ultimate control.

It is imperative that this man remains manager of our club for many seasons. We have already seen that he is ruthless in his assessment of players – if you are not good enough, you are off. If you disrupt the unit, he’ll leave you at home. He knows the team is more important than the individual, and as long as he has a forceful input into our new signings I feel we are destined for the success.

Players like Gio and Arshavin indicate the respect our manager has in the world of football. He is not known for being a big talker, but what he does say certainly has its effect. Watching him on the touchline, in his big black overcoat, he is largely unmoved. He overseas the team, sees the big picture, and every once in a while makes a tweak or gives a player specific advice with a simple gesture.

While a lot of (read most) fans were dismayed at our performances and results in the first two games, Ramos’ relaxed and critical evaluation of the games is refreshing, and calming. Matches do hinge on a missed chance, on who gets the first goal and therefore the initiative, and it can be difficult, amongst the doom mongering, to realise the fine lines that determine the result.

In the end, would we really have done anything different? Would playing Berbatov have been good for the team spirit? Would picking up a point now be worth it if it destroyed morale in the process? Ramos said he signed a 4 year contract because he saw this as a project, something that required time and he was ready to commit himself to it. We have to realise our goals can only be fulfilled in the long term, and that we have the best man in the job.

The team is not yet complete, and no matter how many signings are made in the last few days of the window there will still be areas that need to be improved if we are to get to the top. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, and Ramos will be as poised in victory as he is in defeat. No matter what goes on with our transfer ins and outs, while Ramos is in charge I will be trying to be as composed about Spurs as he is. And that’s why he is King.
 

ollie_spurs

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Ramos is unproven in the Prem so deserves time to settle but his record isn't great at the moment. Hopefully by Christmas we'll have a better idea of the new vision for the type of football he wants us to play. Personally, i hope it won't be one up front.
 

billnick

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Personally, I think he can do the job though there are question marks. What follows is as deliberately biased against Ramos as your article is for him. Just for some balance. Not necessarily my own opinions, just being as negative as I can as a counterpoint.

I wish I found Ramos' reflection of our games as refreshing and calming as you do. So far they seem to be little more than the same old excuses. The last one, regards Berbatov's effect on the team was quite laughable when viewed with his other recent quotes: (these a matter of a few days apart. Note the contradictions).

"He is an absolute pro. He has been working independently from anything outside of football. "

"Any speculation has been handled by his agent and he has been getting on with training professionally."I have not selected him as I do not think that he is focused enough"

"It's not about individuals. The blame is with the team and we accept that blame together. He wasn't in the squad because he wasn't in the right condition to play."

"Of course there are repercussions on the players, against Sunderland for example we were only able to play with one forward and we didn't have any substitutes for that one forward, it's bound to have repercussions on the players."

"It doesn’t matter how good a player is, if he is not in the right frame of mind, then he will not perform well. I did not feel he would be good for the dressing room.”

Ramos had most of last season with poor results but we gave him time because it wasn't "his" squad (arguably after Christmas more than half of it was). Now it is his squad, but we still haven't solved the biggest problem. We're not right from kick off, and are as ever reliant upon his undoubted skill with making substitutions. All too often, when that doesn't work we're in trouble.

Then there's pre-season (without Modric and mostly without King) and if the imminent arrivals are to be believed almost half of our team will have missed it. Yet they look like being first choice, which will mean more lost time playing catch up. Time we really don't have if we're to crack the top 6, since other teams have moved far forward since the days we finished so close to the top 4.

His record at Sevilla speaks volumes. Great successes, and obviously we were beaten iin the UEFA cup. Not outplayed mind you. And not outclassed tactically. Not by a long shot. If you apply Ramos' refreshing and calming appraisals to our UEFA cup exit to Sevilla, had we scored first and given ourselves the advantage things could have been different. His record pre-Sevilla speaks volumes, too. Had you heard of him? One example, Betis. 6th, 8th, 9th. Consecutive league positions under Ramos. After he left? 4th.

[EDIT - forgot to add this]
Watching him on the touchline, largely unmoved, the occasional gesture. Swap the big black overcoat for an umbrella. Would he then be accused of a lack of passion?
 

chiveliyid

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Nice to see positivity and I myself have a great deal of faith in Juande also. Didn’t feel there was a lot of depth to the article or anything to be pulled from it but nice to see people writing an article on here as opposed to seeing rubbish transfer related articles from the red tops.

I agree it is a longer term process, i.e. 2-4 years for a manager to make the team his own and make an impact. Unfortunately for Ramos the pressure has been heaped on him by the fans and media from the onset. The mood of the majority of supporters since he’s taken control hasn’t helped, as there is a growing frustration due to many getting tired of waiting for the craved Champions League football, especially after we came so close to three seasons ago.

Think although it is hard, expectation levels amongst the fans and media need to be dropped this year as I get the impression it is going to be another season of transition. I fancy our chances in the cup competitions but I predict us being very unpredictable as usual in the league. If he is as good as people say he will be able to utilise the players he’s got this year to stabilise a decent league position, do well in the cup competitions, develop a fuller understanding of the Premiership and keep the players within the squad happy and developing so that we only require a couple of quality additions next summer and pose a real threat in the league next season.

I am disappointed with the start this season but overall not surprised. I just hope we see a steady improvement in style, results and consistency this season which will stand us in good stead for next season. I hope Tottenham Hotspur supporters across the globe (who go to games or not) can refrain from booing the team and can find the strength to get behind the boys and Ramos this season even if things aren’t going our way. After all, sure the likes of Gomes, Pavlyuchenko, Modric, Dos Santos, Bentley and the whole squad will settle and play better with the crowd and fans behind them rather than booing and shouting at them.

COYS
 

sheringmann

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My trust in this man has gotten a blow to the stomach. 3 wins since CC final...2 losses against mediocre sides this season after aiming for top 4....and the sad part is, they outplayed us (watch chances and shots on target)...games arent played in midfield, they are decided by goals and your efforts inside the penalty area. Blame Berbs, blame Comolli, blame Keane...but in the end the manager has the final say in most decisions...so far..they've been wrong if you measure them up with our goal that is 4th place THIS year.
 

sheringmann

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If Spurs had come out before this season and said..."we're satisfied with 10th this season so we can build on that", I would not be that angered. BUT they've led me to belive they can achieve things this season..and I feel at the moment led astray...

nuff ranting...sorry....
 

billnick

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OK, sorry about the long winded effort earlier.

A point I'd like to make is that I appreciate he needs more time, and I'd be happy to give it to him. As I was happy to give time to Hoddle, Jol et al to carry out their respective long term projects. What's the point of a long term plan if a board consistently pull the plug half way through?
 

chiveliyid

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A point I'd like to make is that I appreciate he needs more time, and I'd be happy to give it to him. As I was happy to give time to Hoddle, Jol et al to carry out their respective long term projects. What's the point of a long term plan if a board consistently pull the plug half way through?

I agree. I think Jol's reign was probably pulled too early as he was definately a well supported manager and although progress was taking longer than we hoped he definately did something right to achieve the two 5th places he did, especially when looking back the quality wasn't really that high at the time. I think one thing Jol did very well was picking the players and putting faith in them. Anyway enough as Levy and the board did not put faith in him and felt to get where we all want to Ramos was/is the man.

I hope the fans and Levy fully back him now. With the money he's been given it would appear Levy and the board do, now it is just the fans who really need to back him like they did Jol. I appreciate that criticism is always going to come but realise that the players, especially the new ones, just want support game after game, especially when things aren't going well.
 

bigspurs

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If Spurs had come out before this season and said..."we're satisfied with 10th this season so we can build on that", I would not be that angered. BUT they've led me to belive they can achieve things this season..and I feel at the moment led astray...

nuff ranting...sorry....

The key to surviving emotionally as a Spurs fan: Don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed. This is essentially loser talk, but it gets me by!
 

billnick

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I agree. I think Jol's reign was probably pulled too early as he was definately a well supported manager and although progress was taking longer than we hoped he definately did something right to achieve the two 5th places he did, especially when looking back the quality wasn't really that high at the time.

Legacy of signing so many "players for the future" and expecting instant results. The spectre of being sacked certainly doesn't help get out of these situations, either - neither does barracking from the fans as you mention.

It's difficult to cheer when you don't see much hope on the pitch, I appreciate that. But is there any point making it worse? The support for the Arsenal semi final was amazing, and what happened? Other times I've been and you just hear either nothing, the same old crap about hating Arsenal or yet another chorus of (current incumbent's) Blue & White army. Our fans are like the team - bloody amazing when we put the effort in.
 

Makkaveli101

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We have to remember that these "calm", "composed" comments from Ramos from 'Spur's Lodge' are carefully engineered by the club.

Ramos hasn't spoken to the press about possibly our worst start in however many years, so everything that comes out of 'his mouth' is carefully scripted by the club, before it's 'printed'.

I have faith in Ramos, but I do often wonder how people seem to forget his record before his TWO seasons in Seville, and proclaim him as one of the best managers in Europe??? Countless managers have had short term success at clubs/national teams and gone on to achieve absolutely nothing afterwards.

In contrast some would argue Jol achieved something similar, pulling a sleeping giant that had underachieved for over a decade, languishing almost in the bowels of the Premiership in May 2004, taking over from Oct 2004 to just missing out on a UEFA cup place on the last day and then onto.. two straight 5th place finishes in what most would call.. the toughest league in the world in 05/6 and 06/07.

I'm far from convinced, and most definitely far too dubious as a long suffering Spurs fan to say I have FULL faith in the man, but at the least optimistic at the same time.

Just to clarify I'm neither Pro-Jol or Pro-Ramos - I'm Pro-Tottenham Hotspur! :)
 

BillyWhizz

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Makes a change for Spurs to hire a manager who has actually won something, yes he only did it over a 2/3 year spell with Sevilla but given the right backing he showed what he can do.

I've read an opinion from Guillem Balague about Ramos and he rates him very highly and backed him to be a success for us.

The team still isn't 100% Juandes so he must be given time. There will be more signings before monday and probably again in Jan, I'm convinced a DM type will be coming in as Poulsen for example was a key player for Sevilla. They played very good football but were always tight at the back and competitive in midfield, he just needs to get everyone in and settled.
 

Boony

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Hang on here, our team has been absolutely torn to shreads. Losing Keane and Berbatov (hasnt happened yet but), has been an absolute blow, and this is proven as we cant score for toffee. Anybody who knows anything out about football, knows that if a team make 5 changes or more, from one game to the next, it is highly likey they will fail (a true statisic). Try changing nearly the whole club, from the managers, to the goalkeepers, full backs, centre midfielders, wide men and the manager and coach, most from outside the prem.

What do you expect to happen ? :shrug:

Training and a few Pre-Season games between cant compete again the real thing. Give them some time Jesus
 

Makkaveli101

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Man City tore up their team last season, brought in a load of players with no experience of the Premiership and had an excellent start. I guess they were lucky they gelled so quickly. I'm in no way envious of Man City. :)
 
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