Ratings vs Southampton

[Xeeleeyid]

Winks is really pushing to start but neither Wanyama nor Dembele really deserve to be dropped and looking over your shoulder is no bad thing particularly with Dembele who can coast a bit if he finds things too easy. Nice problem to have.

The more time goes on the more Alli reminds me of Lampard. He doesn't necessarily have a huge imposing presence all game every game, but the amount of times he just appears out of nowhere to do something that scores or leads to scoring a goal is extraordinary.

 

[stewartd]

Lloris keeps getting slagged off for his kicking which admittedly isn't great, but yesterday he had an excuse.
There was no point in sending it straight up the middle , Son never won a challenge in the air and hardly any on the ground . All that was happening was their centre backs were winning easy balls and setting up their midfielders with little or no challenges. So Lloris had to kick into wide areas ,and he aint no Glenn Hoddle nor is he expected to be. Without being able to use the long ball downfield it put even more pressure on his clearances to the flanks, even Toby and Verts suffered in this respect too as their swept passes to the wings were also poor.
If Kane or Vincent play then there are more options open to all three of them as both offer serious challenges to the opponents central defenders.

 

[kungfugrip]

Wanted to give MOTM to Eriksen (great goal and LOVED the blind round the corner pass on the edge of the box that Son nearly latched onto), but for me Wanyama was a rock, especially since he was getting booed by the Soton fans. Dembele was good, but flip sake I wish he could pick a runner out with a pass....seems to play with his head down a lot (but I still love everything else he brings to the table). Trippier seemed like his eyes were upside down in his head or something when he came on - he was all over the shop!

 

[kungfugrip]

Noone is talking about Dele's (6) penalty .
.

Because he scored it and owned Foster. Great penalty. Nonchalant.

 

[jonnyp]

Hugo 6
Walker 5
Dier 5
Toby 6
Jan 7
Davies 6
Wanyama 6.5
Dembele 6.5
Eriksen 6.5
Dele 7
Son 6

Trippier 5
Winks 7
Vince 7

Second half was dire and I've pulled 0.5 - 1 off of most players because of that.

 

[Shadydan]

Lloris keeps getting slagged off for his kicking which admittedly isn't great, but yesterday he had an excuse.
There was no point in sending it straight up the middle , Son never won a challenge in the air and hardly any on the ground . All that was happening was their centre backs were winning easy balls and setting up their midfielders with little or no challenges. So Lloris had to kick into wide areas ,and he aint no Glenn Hoddle nor is he expected to be. Without being able to use the long ball downfield it put even more pressure on his clearances to the flanks, even Toby and Verts suffered in this respect too as their swept passes to the wings were also poor.
If Kane or Vincent play then there are more options open to all three of them as both offer serious challenges to the opponents central defenders.

Good observation and it was windy as well so a lot of those balls were being over hit regardless.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Late to the party on this one so I'll keep it short. I think Southampton are a really tidy team, well balanced, pretty well set up tactically and pretty well coached. I think we were not at our best, and they also were part of the reason for that. We played some half decent approach play first half, with Eriksen involved in most good things - that pass from the right flank into Son early on was a thing of absolute beauty, straddling the scientific, intuitive and artistic. His goal was also sweet. 2-0 probably flattered us a little at half time, and was courtesy of a craftier than normal Alli special. The second half was not great, but I guess if we are being generous we could say we "managed" it well enough. If this game had ended up a draw I don't think we'd have felt completely robbed, but I guess we could also take some positives out of eeking out this win, Southampton are a very decent team and I've seen better teams than us find them a difficult opponent.

The substitutions of both managers baffled me a little. I believe if Puel had sent on Rodriguez instead of the blunt battering ram that is Long when Gabiadini went off, they may have threatened more. With Poch it wasn't so much who came on, but who went off, I'm really not sure how Alli survived 90 minutes of that game, he was fucking poor for a lot of it, and even his penalty was poor, just lucky the keeper went the wrong way. Son and Alli bring similar strengths and weaknesses. They can both bumble, but they both produce moments, their gpm's are very similar, Son's assists nearly double per min on the pitch, so I don't really understand why Alli always seems to get the nod over Son in selection and survival on pitch, the stats suggest that Son is actually marginally more likely to score/assist.

Individual

Lloris - ok

Dier - decent game.

Alderweireld - mistake of the goal, ok apart from that I guess.

Vertonghen - Good game

Walker - Also culpable in the build up to their goal. Apart from that, not great generally but not a catastrophe either.

Davies - There was a moment when Eriksen gets the ball on the edge of their box and looks expecting to see Davies on the left and he just wasn't there, then later on there was a moment when Vertonghen (I think) gets the ball from Lloris, looks for Davies and he's not there, he's gone beyond their wide right player. I guess it's only fair to accept he's adjusting but he doesn't fill me with joy as an attacker or defender.

Wanyama & Dembele - OK, but I really think Winks should have started this game.

Eriksen - Very good first half, a couple of beautiful passes and a sweetly struck goal, but as we shelled a bit second he was less able to influence the game.

Alli - His "winning" of the pen has ended up being decisive, but I thought he was back to his bumbling worst for much of this game, stupid back heels when just doing it properly and making sure the pass is made would have been the better decisions on a day when we needed better control. Poor penalty too, very lucky.

Son - Unlucky with a couple of chances and I would have had Alli off before him.

 

[stevenqoz]

Got annoyed last 20 min....hate it when we refuse to attack....yes I do appreciate all the close the game out reasoning. Prime example was Trippier when he came on ....like an U9 on the half way line not being allowed to cross it...as a result almost everything he did went wrong. Toby MOM for me regardless of the airswing....if we had a regular onfield captain he would be the man.

 

[crokey]

Got annoyed last 20 min....hate it when we refuse to attack....yes I do appreciate all the close the game out reasoning. Prime example was Trippier when he came on ....like an U9 on the half way line not being allowed to cross it...as a result almost everything he did went wrong. Toby MOM for me regardless of the airswing....if we had a regular onfield captain he would be the man.

If we always continued to push on in those circumstances we would end the season with less points. There's different sides to football other than a ball hitting a net.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Got annoyed last 20 min....hate it when we refuse to attack....yes I do appreciate all the close the game out reasoning. Prime example was Trippier when he came on ....like an U9 on the half way line not being allowed to cross it...as a result almost everything he did went wrong. Toby MOM for me regardless of the airswing....if we had a regular onfield captain he would be the man.

I think Vertonghen should have been made captain a couple of years ago.

 

[carpediem991]

They can both bumble, but they both produce moments, their gpm's are very similar, Son's assists nearly double per min on the pitch, so I don't really understand why Alli always seems to get the nod over Son in selection and survival on pitch, the stats suggest that Son is actually marginally more likely to score/assist.

Stupid stats. Alli was on the pitch against tougher opponents way more often than Son who had a great September in the league and collected lots of goals against weaker teams in the Cups.
Don't think it is fair to judge them on apm/gpm. Although I agree Dele has a lot of bad spells (tbf he improved massively since we play 3-4-2-1).

 

[hughy]

I think Vertonghen should have been made captain a couple of years ago.

A couple of years ago he was sulking like a damp cabbage.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Winks > Dembele

no one actually thinks Dembele is better than Winks do they. How dare you

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Stupid stats. Alli was on the pitch against tougher opponents way more often than Son who had a great September in the league and collected lots of goals against weaker teams in the Cups.
Don't think it is fair to judge them on apm/gpm. Although I agree Dele has a lot of bad spells (tbf he improved massively since we play 3-4-2-1).

I don't think that's really true. Both players have scored goals against top 4 opposition and both players have scored vital goals (or made them - or won penalties - though Son's have generally been more genuine penalties) it's just that Alli's started more of those games I believe.

I can understand there being much more hype around Alli, he's younger (and therefore what he is doing is more impressive because of that), he's English and he has that on pitch persona that fans go gooey for, but as the actual facts go, I'm on my mobile in an airport so I can't check it thoroughly right now so could be wrong but I'm pretty sure if you tot up their combined goals/assists per 90 over the last 2 seasons I don't think there'd be much in it.

I understand why Alli gets the nod some of the time because he has that mentality that Poch loves, but I don't think it's always enough and I don't think it's always justified selecting him every time or keeping him on in place of others - Sunday being the most recent example.

 

[double0]

Please let's not start the Alli dismantle project.

This kid is special, his like no other, he will just get better with game experience... In the meantime Alli is a killer stat wise.

 

[spurs9]

They can both bumble, but they both produce moments, their gpm's are very similar, Son's assists nearly double per min on the pitch, so I don't really understand why Alli always seems to get the nod over Son in selection and survival on pitch, the stats suggest that Son is actually marginally more likely to score/assist.

It's probably because Son only has 3 goals in his last 11 starts and 9 sub apps, where as Alli has 11 goals in his last 11 starts.

Also in the new formation with 3 at the back, on tbe PL, Alli has scored 8 and assisted 2 in 8 games, Son is yet to score in 3 starts and 4 sub apps.

 

[spurs9]

I don't think that's really true. Both players have scored goals against top 4 opposition and both players have scored vital goals (or made them - or won penalties - though Son's have generally been more genuine penalties) it's just that Alli's started more of those games I believe.

Son has 1 goal and 1 assist v top 4 teams in 3 starts and 2 sub apps.
He also scored 3 goals and 2 assists v teams in the bottom 4 and 3 goals and 3 assists v mid table teams.

Alli has 4 goals and 1 assist in 6 games v the top 4.

 

[stevenqoz]

I think Vertonghen should have been made captain a couple of years ago.

Yes BC....I would not argue with that but they seem to have passed Vert up when they went for Hugo. Just dont agree with keepers in the role...Toby or Vert would both do a fine job....still believe an on field skipper can rouse team mates when concentration drops