Match Ratings Ratings vs Man Utd

[ultimateloner]

De Gea single-handely won the game, simple as. It's not just positioning himself to make the safes. It's also clearing the ball to an area where people can't attack. He is composed and he knows where the attackers are. You can't teach that.

 

[Shadydan]

And if we have a possible substitute who could come off the bench to replace our players having an off day that might have changed the result

If/might/possible...i.e no garantees.

Either way that has nothing to do with squad depth, it's to do prolifigacy in front of goal.

You're just moaning about squad depth because it's a default issue to moan about everytime we lose a match but in this instance it's not the case.

 

[Gareth88]

If/might/possible...i.e no garantees.

Either way that has nothing to do with squad depth, it's to do prolifigacy in front of goal.

You're just moaning about squad depth because it's a default issue to moan about everytime we lose a match but in this instance it's not the case.

No guarantees in life your right however larger squad with more depth means more rest for key players. Off days as you mention may then be countered by squad rotation. Investment is key to progression and the possibility of turning a game like yesterday around.

 

[ebzrascal]

Lloris 6 - De Gea would've saved that goal. He is not very good at shots from acute angles unfortunately.
Trippier 3 - Terrible.
Toby 7 - Solid but should've scored.
Verts 7 - Solid.
Davies 5 - Nothing going forward - pretty much like the whole season. Why is he starting ahead of Rose? Can't our FBs start two games in a row anymore?
Winks 6.5 - Played well overall but my dear his shooting is an embarrasment for a PL player.
Sissoko 7 - Great until injury - been playing too much and in the end it had to go tits up.
Dele 6 - Just infuriating me with taking too long, too many touches and has so little urgency. Poor finish also.
Eriksen 6 - 4 for 1st half, 7.5 for second half
Son 6 - Not at the races today.
Kane 6 - His finishing this season is not up to his usual standard.

Lamela 6 - disappointing cameo compared to his usual ones.
Llorente 6 - should've scored and assisted Kane but poor pass again.

Poch 4 - why do we have to rotate FBs for every game, why do we have to play our worst and slowest FBs against teams with the quickest forwards? Stupid.

Spot on with Lloris commens

 

[mpickard2087]

As well as barbecuing chance after chance, we also had a first half where we rode our luck on counter attacks several times, and looked very exposed, and yet the manager/team refused to do anything about what was playing out in front of them and continued in the same fashion until (fatally, in this game) we went 1-0 down in this fashion. The second half switch of shape stopped this threat by and large, but the horse had already bolted and ultimately we were unable to claw back a result.

That's nothing to do with depth of squad, rotation, options off the bench, backing the manager etc. That's a key tactical battle where we (Poch......) didn't react to events happening on the pitch and eventually got punished.

 

[double0]

As well as barbecuing chance after chance, we also had a first half where we rode our luck on counter attacks several times, and looked very exposed, and yet the manager/team refused to do anything about what was playing out in front of them and continued in the same fashion until (fatally, in this game) we went 1-0 down in this fashion. The second half switch of shape stopped this threat by and large, but the horse had already bolted and ultimately we were unable to claw back a result.

That's nothing to do with depth of squad, rotation, options off the bench, backing the manager etc. That's a key tactical battle where we (Poch......) didn't react to events happening on the pitch and eventually got punished.

As you clearly know their goal resulted from a mistake/ misplaced pass from Trippier 1 Lingard interception 2 Pogba's superb ball 3 Rashford clinical finish 4.

 

[mpickard2087]

As you clearly know their goal resulted from a mistake/ misplaced pass from Trippier 1 Lingard interception 2 Pogba's superb ball 3 Rashford clinical finish 4.

Whether we make a mistake to give away possession or not is irrelevant, the ball can always be turned over at any second. Davies has gone way high up the pitch despite the play being on the other flank, we haven't learned from anything that's happened in that half at all. For me it was another time in that 45 where we were caught with exposed centre backs (who were man for man or even outnumbered on several occasions) against a pacey counter threat who could run into wide open channels. Eventually it got punished.

 

[Japhet]

Whether we make a mistake to give away possession or not is irrelevant, the ball can always be turned over at any second. Davies has gone way high up the pitch despite the play being on the other flank, we haven't learned from anything that's happened in that half at all. For me it was another time in that 45 where we were caught with exposed centre backs (who were man for man or even outnumbered on several occasions) against a pacey counter threat who could run into wide open channels. Eventually it got punished.

I think that's just how we play. The players trust the one with the ball to not pass it straight to an opponent like Trippier did. In that instance everybody else was caught flat footed because it was such a basic error and nobody expected it. We went after them and got caught but Sissoko's injury was another major factor in their goal. The amount of mopping up he does for Trippier is huge.

 

[mpickard2087]

I think that's just how we play. The players trust the one with the ball to not pass it straight to an opponent like Trippier did. In that instance everybody else was caught flat footed because it was such a basic error and nobody expected it. We went after them and got caught but Sissoko's injury was another major factor in their goal. The amount of mopping up he does for Trippier is huge.

I don't think Sissoko was a factor, we were getting caught time and again with him on the pitch.

It is how we play, and so I'm not apportioning blame to any individual, but that's not a good enough reason in my opinion to just shrug it off. As I said in a previous post, the ball can be turned over at any second and you have to be thinking about that. Even a football purist like Guardiola has learnt to become much more respectful of the counter attack and will do things to minimise the risk of them.

For the second half we did something about it, Davies held his position more whilst Son came out to provide the width on the left and we mainly shut them down. We only reacted to it though after conceding a goal, sometimes you've got to be a bit more proactive rather than waiting till the horse has bolted. It's fine margins, but those are often what make the difference.

 

[Japhet]

I don't think Sissoko was a factor, we were getting caught time and again with him on the pitch.

It is how we play, and so I'm not apportioning blame to any individual, but that's not a good enough reason in my opinion to just shrug it off. As I said in a previous post, the ball can be turned over at any second and you have to be thinking about that. Even a football purist like Guardiola has learnt to become much more respectful of the counter attack and will do things to minimise the risk of them.

For the second half we did something about it, Davies held his position more whilst Son came out to provide the width on the left and we mainly shut them down. We only reacted to it though after conceding a goal, sometimes you've got to be a bit more proactive rather than waiting till the horse has bolted. It's fine margins, but those are often what make the difference.

I agree that we were getting caught on the counter but the goal came directly from a square pass at our back line, not a counter attack. I also think Lingard and Pogba would have been under pressure from Sissoko in that particular area which might have stopped them. It wasn't good enough either way and Poch was slow to react to what was happening in the first half, and also to the loss of Sissoko.

 

[JimmyG2]

Should we have invested in a finishing coach then?

The ability to talk posh
and walk with books on our heads
is of very limited value
in my view.

But I'll try anything once

 

[alexis]

De Gea single-handely won the game, simple as. It's not just positioning himself to make the safes. It's also clearing the ball to an area where people can't attack. He is composed and he knows where the attackers are. You can't teach that.

he saves with his feet quite a lot something that Loris seems to refuse to do, Last season the second of the alonso brace was one of a few i thought Loris could have just saved with his feet.