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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Verts

    Votes: 181 77.0%
  • Davies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 12 5.1%
  • Dele

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Moura

    Votes: 28 11.9%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 1.7%

  • Total voters
    235

JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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It gets worse when you watch it again.
Screwed ourselves from the start, or even before.
Worst half hour of the season. Not that good after.

Penthouse............Verts: probably prevented a real hiding.
.............................. and Moura's cameo such control and skill. Deserves a start v Brighton, as if.

Doghouse............. All the rest except..

Shithouse...............Pochettino, what was he not thinking.Giving them the run of the midfield couldn't have been a plan.
.................................Kane, Lloris again

Losing 3-1 with 7 minutes to go and he brings on Sissoko. Why?
If only Fernando had been available!
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter unless in hindsight it is the beginning of the end.
Blip or trend? Bad day at the office or filing for bankruptcy? That's me in knee jerk mode.
Man City are the best team in the country but that doesn't mean you have to stand off and admire them.
 

southlondonyiddo

My eyes have seen some of the glory..
Nov 8, 2004
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Sanchez is getting slaughtered but for me he’s the only one in our back 4 with pace and is trying to cover the runs of Sane/Sterling and Jesus all afternoon

Yes he made mistakes but he’s very young for a Central Defender and has been nothing short of brilliant for us since he’s been at the club. He must have slept well last night after that run around...

I’m afraid I’m not a big fan of Tripps or Davies and last nights game really exposed them at the top level

Kane was poor but City never let him out of their sights and I was impressed how well they defended when we threw the kitchen sink at them for 15/20 mins 2nd half

Verts was clearly MOTM for us but so many of his tackles are last ditch and on the stretch which is a very dangerous game to play every time!

Roll on next weekend. Massive game

COYS
 

Yid121

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Aug 9, 2008
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Lloris 5 - very unassured no real saves from memory and gave them a pen

Trippier 7 did okay but gave the Ball away for the 2nd

Sanchez 7 got caught out a few times but some goood last ditch tackles

Verts 9 couldn't get past him

Davies 7 solid

Dier 7 great defensive work in the first half and got early balls to Moura in the 2nd half which was needed. Saw his value over Wanyama today which is rare for me

Dembele 8 would dribble through their whole midfield at times, faded in the 2nd and was rightly taken off

Eriksen 8 scored and looked our biggest threat going forward

Alli 6 failed to create anything and was fairly quiet without a lack of trying

Lamela 6 solid effort but out performed by Lucas

Kane 5 looks off the pace since his injury, limited service

Subs
Son 6 quiet
Moura 8 great impact sub, should get a start for that performance
 

WexfordTownSpur

preposition me arse
Aug 2, 2007
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Kane needs to be dropped. I dont care about him trying to be top scorer again, its the fuckin team that matters. Poch, and judging from a recent episode, the whole club as well, need to stop sucking up to him, grow some balls and drop him.
But it sounded like the whole team played bad? And if we weren’t pushing forward how does a striker get into the game. What other striker we have would have done better
 

WexfordTownSpur

preposition me arse
Aug 2, 2007
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I think you’ll find City have mullered us with all those previously.
Obviously a blip for City and we, unfortunately were the next game after those poor performances. I think a lot of people said, including myself - this game could go one way or the other, City turn up with something to prove, and why they are so many points clear at the top, or they really are just off the pace after a long season. Seems it was the former and unfortunately we got them at the wrong time. I think if they had beat Utd last week it would have been a different story.

But this of course is not all about how city played. We did the same last season, didn’t turn up in a few important games at the end of the season.

I believe Kane’s injuries and Toby situation has been the difference this season and to be honest if we can hold on to fourth spot it’s been a pretty good season.
 

WexfordTownSpur

preposition me arse
Aug 2, 2007
2,615
653
It gets worse when you watch it again.
Screwed ourselves from the start, or even before.
Worst half hour of the season. Not that good after.

Penthouse............Verts: probably prevented a real hiding.
.............................. and Moura's cameo such control and skill. Deserves a start v Brighton, as if.

Doghouse............. All the rest except..

Shithouse...............Pochettino, what was he not thinking.Giving them the run of the midfield couldn't have been a plan.
.................................Kane, Lloris again

Losing 3-1 with 7 minutes to go and he brings on Sissoko. Why?
If only Fernando had been available!
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter unless in hindsight it is the beginning of the end.
Blip or trend? Bad day at the office or filing for bankruptcy? That's me in knee jerk mode.
Man City are the best team in the country but that doesn't mean you have to stand off and admire them.
Liverpool and Utd didn’t and proved why they deserve 2nd and 3rd spot.
 

yankspurs

Enic Out
Aug 22, 2013
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There was no plan at all. Zero tactics. No one was up for it. Sane was always going to walk all over Trippier. Tripps never had a shot. Poch put him into a position to fail today and he did. Not Tripps’ fault that Poch clearly did not learn a thing from the last City match.
 

kitchen

Well-Known Member
Nov 24, 2006
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Tactically we were very naive. We tried to play our usual possession dominating football, high back line tactics against a team that play the best possession football in the league. Hell, they're probably 2nd best in the world at it alongside Barcelona.

There is one way to play against City, and it's what Liverpool did, organise the defence, keep their wingers under control and don't leave any gaps through the middle - and play your paciest players to hit them on the break. In this game, both Lucas and Son should have started, and perhaps Kane should have been sacrificed, particularly when it was clear he was making little to no impact (was he even fit?)

That said, I'm not sure we could have won that game yesterday, even with a more suitable game plan, as so many players didn't turn up on the day. Kane, Alli, Dier, Lamela were all poor by their usual standards.
 

theShiznit

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Jul 26, 2004
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I really don't get why we go to these rigid formations against better teams, it really doesn't help stop them and more to the point stops us doing what we are good at. It also made the pitch too big for us and players in possession all over the park ended up isolated with little/no options other than long balls into channels or dangerous balls into marked players.

Lloris has looked nervous at Wembley from day 1 and his decision making is just bad now, he is second guessing everything and almost exclusively making the wrong decisions, i imagine he has the Clash going around his head on loop...

Harry for me is at his absolute best when he is all effort Harry, charging around, harrying chasing back, without these things he just looks lethargic and due to his lack of mobility ends up not really in the game. Hopefully it is just a temporary lack of energy rather than "I've made it and that stuff is now beneath me" (doesn't seem like the Harry we know and love)

Lamela and Ali were both hampered by being stuck out wide, both doing more in a couple of spells when they were allowed to move inside.

Dembele and Dier were both lost in the middle chasing shadows.

Davies and Trippier were both isolated against quicker men than them.

And Sanchez didn't learn to track the run from straight balls over the top.

Not a good day but luckily another game is right around the corner.

Moura and Jan the only pluses.
 

kaz Hirai

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Nov 5, 2008
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Nice wait so I'm not clouded by emotion, my opinions...


Hugo -4 terrible, a real calamity 3 weeks on the trot

Davies -6 hmm okay, don't recall much wrong or right for that matter, flavourless icecream

Vertonghen 9 MOTM- masterful

Sanchez 5- thought his first touch was bad and his positioning was often poor

Trippier 5- did okay against sane but really wasn't good for the most



Dier -5 meh
Dembele -6 meh for half the time he was on the pitch but really good in some moments
Both of them were too slow mostly to keep up

Erisken -7 easily the best of the midfield, wasn't rattled by their press
Lamela -5 his most poor game since return
Alli -4 did nothing, he usually does nothing but then scores or assists something but not this time

Kane -3 probably the worst out the bunch, I imagine he isn't match sharp as that was virtually playing with 10 men bar one good cross field pass

Subs -meh, did son touch the Ball?
Sissoko did his Sissoko thing

Lucas 7- lively cameo

Poch-4 didn't counter peps counter
 
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CheeseGromit

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Aug 22, 2013
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Vertonghen MOTM
I feel this was a pissing contest between Poch and Pep on formations Both did exactly what was expected of them Unfortunately Poch lost hands down.
Citeh start like a train and we struggle to stay i the game
I understand why Poch play Alli Erikesen Lamela but they are not strong to cope with demands of his system against a fast running mobile side. They are most effective when we have gained control of the game.
If he wont make small tactical changes to accommodate those players play his system he has to go with physically stronger players.
 

Blake Griffin

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Oct 3, 2011
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There was no plan at all. Zero tactics. No one was up for it. Sane was always going to walk all over Trippier. Tripps never had a shot. Poch put him into a position to fail today and he did. Not Tripps’ fault that Poch clearly did not learn a thing from the last City match.

but sane didn't walk over trippier, he completed zero successful dribbles and was hooked after 60 mins because he wasn't really getting much joy out of trippier at all. trippier did actually learn from the first game and got in tight every time sane received the ball, rather than allowing him space to run at him. i don't think he had a particularly good game in other areas but this rhetoric that sane ruined him again is just a lazy one, a lack of pressure from the front and runners in between our cbs(namely sterling and jesus) was our biggest problem, along with dier and dembele struggling to get near their midfield three.
 

ClintEastwould

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Jul 3, 2012
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I would just like to know why the press has all but been abandoned. I know we had an issue with burnout his first few seasons but I can't remember the last time we implemented it. In fact I genuinely believe it was the same fixture last season in which we won. If I'm being generous I'd say we were incapable of pulling it off with a half fit Kane. I hope at the end of the season Poch reexamines our approach against the top sides who can outplay us.
 

ClintEastwould

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Jul 3, 2012
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but sane didn't walk over trippier, he completed zero successful dribbles and was hooked after 60 mins because he wasn't really getting much joy out of trippier at all. trippier did actually learn from the first game and got in tight every time sane received the ball, rather than allowing him space to run at him. i don't think he had a particularly good game in other areas but this rhetoric that sane ruined him again is just a lazy one, a lack of pressure from the front and runners in between our cbs(namely sterling and jesus) was our biggest problem, along with dier and dembele struggling to get near their midfield three.

I posted in his thread that he was poor, but not because he was getting roasted by Sane, rather he just couldn't complete a pass for almost the entire first half. He kept giving it away time and again which was much unlike him.
 

yankspurs

Enic Out
Aug 22, 2013
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I would just like to know why the press has all but been abandoned. I know we had an issue with burnout his first few seasons but I can't remember the last time we implemented it. In fact I genuinely believe it was the same fixture last season in which we won. If I'm being generous I'd say we were incapable of pulling it off with a half fit Kane. I hope at the end of the season Poch reexamines our approach against the top sides who can outplay us.
The press was, in large part, abandoned this whole season
 

werty

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Aug 8, 2005
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I would just like to know why the press has all but been abandoned. I know we had an issue with burnout his first few seasons but I can't remember the last time we implemented it. In fact I genuinely believe it was the same fixture last season in which we won. If I'm being generous I'd say we were incapable of pulling it off with a half fit Kane. I hope at the end of the season Poch reexamines our approach against the top sides who can outplay us.
We tried it in the first half against City in the away game. We tried to press in this game too but we were so bad at it and City's set up nullified our front four and the two behind had too much space to cover.
 

ClintEastwould

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Jul 3, 2012
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We tried it in the first half against City in the away game. We tried to press in this game too but we were so bad at it and City's set up nullified our front four and the two behind had too much space to cover.

I kind of forgot how the away game played out (useful tool for bad memories :)) but I didnt see any modicum of pressing yesterday until the tackles started flying in and we got some passion into our play.
 

Spursh

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Jul 21, 2009
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but sane didn't walk over trippier, he completed zero successful dribbles and was hooked after 60 mins because he wasn't really getting much joy out of trippier at all. trippier did actually learn from the first game and got in tight every time sane received the ball, rather than allowing him space to run at him. i don't think he had a particularly good game in other areas but this rhetoric that sane ruined him again is just a lazy one, a lack of pressure from the front and runners in between our cbs(namely sterling and jesus) was our biggest problem, along with dier and dembele struggling to get near their midfield three.

Spot on. I was fearing for him earlier on considering Sane's performance in the reverse fixture, but Trippier stood up well against Sane all game. Quick passing and timing of runs were our undoing, stemming from erratic tactics (too deep for first 15, too high for next 15), not the lack of pace at fullback.

Also felt for Sanchez. He was often tasked with following their runners, and if it wasn't for a few last-ditch challenges, the score would have been worse.
 
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