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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 7 2.2%
  • Walker

    Votes: 15 4.7%
  • Dier

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Toby

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Wimmer

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rose

    Votes: 23 7.3%
  • Wanyama

    Votes: 236 74.4%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 9 2.8%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dele

    Votes: 9 2.8%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Winks

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • None Deserved

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • Total voters
    317

piedpiper

Well-Known Member
Aug 14, 2008
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People need to cut Wimmer some
slack - going from having an arse full of splinters from being on the bench for so long and into a game where the opposition were as intense as that, he was always going to off the pace.

Even players full of confidence like Toby and Rose we're struggling so it's no wonder someone lacking it was exposed. Once he gets a few games against more limited opposition I'm sure we'll see his levels as improve.

Would have like to give this a winner, like and an agree rating. Spot on assessment.
 

ralphs bald spot

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Jul 14, 2015
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Wanyama - 8 - did nothing in midfield, but did well as an emergency CB - pretty heroic.
Dier -8 - was under the cosh for all 90 mins - played in 3 different positions including LCB as the senior partner, and played OK in all roles. That is just as heroic.
Rose - 8 - all action.
Walker - 8.5 - MOTM - all action, a perfect cross for Alli and did enough to put Sterling off.

I thought Walker was badly at fault for their first goal he had to be more aware and come round on the cover our best player was probably Wanyama
 

Bobbins

SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008
May 5, 2005
21,548
45,031
Pretty much agree with every word of the @Bus-Conductor summary this week.

The biggest issues were tactical which led to individual errors, and things were exacerbated by poor individual decisions and performances.

Absolutely got away with one there but it's nice to see us keep going even when getting battered - Spurs of the past lose that game 5-0. What a shame we couldn't show the same fight last season when we only needed a point at Newcastle.

No individual ratings but kudos to Wanyama for being an insane mecha-beast bred for war, and some credit to Dier for having to deal with three different positional changes and coping reasonably well everywhere he was asked to play.

Smash and grab but fuck 'em.
 

dannythomas

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2004
3,757
2,813
We played shit. Yet despite being completely outplayed we fought back to get a draw against a very motivated City team. We have now played all the other top teams away bar Liverpool and have only Arsenal and United left at home. Still only 2 games lost and today was a case of I point won rather than 2 lost.
 

dk-yid

Well-Known Member
Jan 17, 2011
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You must be his Dad for not being able to see that he was a huge liability.

City pulled us apart form the start today and a combination of a less than assured Toby, lacking Verts and some poor distribution made us look all over the place defensively. Yes, Wimmer looked shaky and rusty, and made one huge blunder early that could have cost us a goal. But singling him in that manner doesn't make sense to me.... Not that I should be surprised since it is par for the course on here where scapegoatism is a discipline some of the lot on here have down as an art form. Anyway, onions.
 

dricha1

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Jul 26, 2005
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Not too many people have mentioned the 'inactive-offside' Tactic that City played throughout the game. Completely confused our defence, and negated our offside trap.
 

Gilzeanking

Well-Known Member
May 7, 2005
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5,019
Lot of deserved criticism here , but it should be pointed out that Man City have some of the most rated players in the world .(Net spend last 5 years MC 426 mill...us 1 mill)Plus the widely rated no 1 manager . Usually they play within themselves or par , but yesterday we faced the world rated players/manager PLUS a mountain of motivation after their recent collapse . It was the perfect storm for us to play them yesterday . Their pressing was intense and their players were often at their best .

..and we got schooled , but a considerable slice of luck meant we grabbed a point . The match reminded me of older Spurs performances where you needed to drink to mentally survive the numerous close shaves . Also it reminded me of our sorry CL campaign vs technically gifted teams this year .

Anyway , we won't face that sort of oppo (bar Wafer Cup maybe) so top 4 is looking good (y)
 

dudu

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Jan 28, 2011
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It didnt amaze me that we had a bad performance after a number of weeks of really good ones. Its happened to many teams before us (sometimes even because of us) and im sure we will get tactically out played again.

City had a point to prove after our beating of them earlier in the season and also on the back of a 4-0 thrashing last week - it turns out it was the worst time to play them. Guardiola out thought Poch and we were out played and fought on the pitch.

It happens, you get things wrong as a collective sometimes but this pill was a little easier to swallow due to the fact that a point away at City, regardless of the performance, is not a bad result.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

Well-Known Member
Jul 10, 2008
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48,499
It didnt amaze me that we had a bad performance after a number of weeks of really good ones. Its happened to many teams before us (sometimes even because of us) and im sure we will get tactically out played again.

City had a point to prove after our beating of them earlier in the season and also on the back of a 4-0 thrashing last week - it turns out it was the worst time to play them. Guardiola out thought Poch and we were out played and fought on the pitch.

It happens, you get things wrong as a collective sometimes but this pill was a little easier to swallow due to the fact that a point away at City, regardless of the performance, is not a bad result.

Best assessment I've read on here today (y)
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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Fact is, we're not too good when we get pressed. City were abject v Everton and Pep must have given them the 3rd degree because they came out to fight. Bad, bad game for Wimmer to come back in and he looked very rusty and off the pace, but we didn't concede with him on the pitch.

Playing out from the back is becoming a major issue for me. Teams have identified it and that Lloris isn't the best distributor, and Pep, being the top coach that he is, targeted it very effectively. If we wanted to get Kane, Alli, Eriksen etc. involved, some long kicks from Lloris and us pressing them in their half wouldn't have gone amiss. We might even have managed an attempt on goal before half time.

On the plus side, we never gave up and MOM Wanyama was a rock. Lucky to get a point, Ref was generally shite, but we soldier on.
 

double0

Well-Known Member
Aug 29, 2006
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It wasn't a great performance however City scored from two clear goalkeeping mistakes whereas our fight back our goals were well constructed team play....we are a tough nut to crack.

I must give this team a 10/10 for heart desire and damn stubbornness.
 

Ionman34

SC Supporter
Jun 1, 2011
7,182
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City pulled us apart form the start today and a combination of a less than assured Toby, lacking Verts and some poor distribution made us look all over the place defensively. Yes, Wimmer looked shaky and rusty, and made one huge blunder early that could have cost us a goal. But singling him in that manner doesn't make sense to me.... Not that I should be surprised since it is par for the course on here where scapegoatism is a discipline some of the lot on here have down as an art form. Anyway, onions.

TBH, I don't think he's being scapegoated. I rate Wimmer highly and I think he's been extremely capable in the vast majority of the games he has played this season, I even rated him higher than Toby in an earlier game (Watford I think it was).
But he was below par yesterday and, if any of the back line were to be hooked, it was going to be him.

Wimmer is a quality CB, which I have no doubt he will demonstrate in the coming weeks whilst he deputises for Vertonghen.
 

davros

Well-Known Member
Jul 16, 2005
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We managed away to City what Liverpool failed to do at home to Swansea: we rescued a point from 2-0 down.

Negatives: A poor performance overall, and lapses from our players let to both their goals. We look weaker without Vertonghen. Toby is still not quite right. Wimmer was completely shown up today.

Positives: 2 well made and well taken goals to complete a comeback when we were second best all game long - that showed a lot of character. A point at City is not a bad result, and we've taken four points from them this season. Wanyama and Dier were shifted about and played well in less familiar positions - particularly Wanyama. Wimmer won't face such a tough test for at least a couple of weeks, and he'll be up to speed by then.

Hopefully this performance was a blip and we'll get some momentum back in the next couple of games. We gained a point over Liverpool today and they have Chelsea before they meet us. Things could look a little different by the time we go to Anfield.

Next game.
 

Bus-Conductor

SC Supporter
Oct 19, 2004
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It didnt amaze me that we had a bad performance after a number of weeks of really good ones. Its happened to many teams before us (sometimes even because of us) and im sure we will get tactically out played again.

City had a point to prove after our beating of them earlier in the season and also on the back of a 4-0 thrashing last week - it turns out it was the worst time to play them. Guardiola out thought Poch and we were out played and fought on the pitch.

It happens, you get things wrong as a collective sometimes but this pill was a little easier to swallow due to the fact that a point away at City, regardless of the performance, is not a bad result.


Sorry dudu, but I think this is just too glib.

And I know you are just echoing the sentiments of some others, so sorry for picking on you, but you make it sound like it was all about City, like they were the only ones with a point to prove, they held all the cards going into this game, all they had to do was turn up.

They should have been shitting themselves going into this game, they've had their weaknesses exposed, confidence knocked and we were bang in stride.

We had a point to prove too, that we could at least compete, that we are the real deal.

If we had at least competed and limited them defensively etc you could say "fair enough" coming marginally second best is acceptable, but that performance from us was tragic, probably as bad tactically as I've seen from any team in any game all season.

And it was only outrageous fortune that prevented us from getting the spanking it merited.

And I don't buy that it was character that got us a point either, it was pure fortune that we scored with our only real moments in their box.

I'm damn sure Poch might publically be giving it the "yeees dis ees fudball" but privately will be fucking fuming with himself that any team of his was such a fucking shambolic cluster fuck.

I hope so anyway. Because that performance was one of the worst during his time. As @Gilzeanking said, it was reminiscent of the very bad old days, it was schoolboy stuff and the lucky score line doesn't hide that.
 

tobi

Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose
Jun 10, 2003
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Not too many people have mentioned the 'inactive-offside' Tactic that City played throughout the game. Completely confused our defence, and negated our offside trap.

It's a great tactic to use but it requires a lot discipline.
 

WexfordTownSpur

preposition me arse
Aug 2, 2007
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I felt for Hugo. Our outfield players put him under constant pressure with their negativity. We looked very nervous IMO, and it really affected our play. Wanyama the only player to come out of this with any real credit.

I wouldn't be surprised if the greater Manchester police phone lines go into meltdown tonight, after that clear as day robbery.
I disagree, I think he puts himself and the defence under pressure all the time, when always trying to play out from the back when it obviously is not on. How many times have we seen him give it to the right or left back who are immediately put under pressure and have to pass it back to him and then HE is under pressure. I agree with trying to play from the back but this has to stop.
 

ralphs bald spot

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Jul 14, 2015
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Sorry dudu, but I think this is just too glib.

And I know you are just echoing the sentiments of some others, so sorry for picking on you, but you make it sound like it was all about City, like they were the only ones with a point to prove, they held all the cards going into this game, all they had to do was turn up.

They should have been shitting themselves going into this game, they've had their weaknesses exposed, confidence knocked and we were bang in stride.

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You have to give City some credit their movement and intent as excellent. They don't become a bad side overnight and they had to have a reaction after the Everton game. We never played well but we weren't allowed to and that's down to the opposition. E

Its a point gained rather than 2 lost we got lucky but that's football
 
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