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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Toby

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Verts

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Son

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Wanyama

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 121 42.5%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 147 51.6%
  • Dele

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Kane

    Votes: 6 2.1%
  • Nkoudou

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Walker

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    285

yusrisafri

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Jun 27, 2004
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I seriously do not understand what Poch was thinking of. Experimenting with Son in such a huge game like this.

And to make matters worse, he couldn't see the need to ring changes at half time when it was bloody effing obvious where our weakness was.

I agree a 3421 was the correct formation to use, but if he wanted to be bold 2nd half, he shouldve substituted Wanyama for Davies, then push Eriksen into the CM role, allowing Son to play in his lethal role as ACM. Why couldn't he think of that?

Instead, he brought on Walker and pushed Trippier to the left. I think Poch was high on something last night. It just wasnt him to do such silly tinkering.
 

Bingy

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May 26, 2004
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Poor reffin by Atkinson, they just kept fouling, no cards

Fine lines, Dier might have scored, none of our better corners fell kindly

But the individual errors, which have been cut out completely of late, get made again when it really matters

Their lot don't make them, we do, when it matters, that's the difference

Seven semis since the Donkey year, fack off

My man Dembele mom

True....regarding the lack of yellow cards for the blue side. 3 Chelsea players were (or should have been) guilty of 3 cards....but Atkinson failed to give even one. He is an inadequate referee, at the best of times...but so are the reast of the ref panel. Bring in some quality from Europe for proper officiating?
 

matthew.absurdum

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Aug 31, 2012
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Why does Dier have to play in a back 4 ? Walker, Toby, Verts, Davies. I fail to see why Dier is an automatic starter. He is great cover at CD, RB, DM but his main role is to compete with Wanyama for the DM spot. The goal they scored from their only corner started when Dier needlessly gave them the ball when we were putting them under pressure.

I think I believe that Davies is not fit enough to start the game. If not, then I agree that it is a tactics suicide.
 

sparx100

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Jan 8, 2007
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Son at wing back was an awful choice.
Dier is not a cb.
When Walker is the first sub for us and Chelsea bring on Hazard and Costa it shows the difference between the 2 squads.
Why not Davies?
I don't want to play at Wembley next season.
I am drunk.
 

sparx100

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Jan 8, 2007
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No idea. Not fit enough for 90 minutes I guess.
Yeah sorry I am a bit frustrated by it all. If he is not fit for 90 then don't name him as when are you going for bring him on? Oh when Son goes off? Nope, just move Trippier over instead. Just seemed poontless naming him in the squad.
 

SixtyFour

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May 20, 2008
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Eriksen was fantastic. Scribbles in the rich boy's notebooks fantastic. God, I hope we can keep this team together.

Trying to be positive - easier in the light of a strictly observed 'no drinking if we blow it' regime - and ignoring the beyond-coincidence shadow of seven semi final defeats in a row, as we clearly made some kind of a pact with the devil back in '91, it seems to me that Conte's stroke of tactical genius (TM, every pundit) actually consisted of realising that they wouldn't beat us eleven against eleven. He gambled on getting to the hour mark at level pegging and then wielding the bench / wallet. That they were still in the game at that point was down to the errors that presented them with two gift wrapped goals. For the first, I'm thinking 'letting them counter' rather than 'suicide tackle'. For the second, the second thought covers it.

Disappointing, but fixable. We are at the stage where they can beat us rather than outplay us. Miserable though that is, it is also underlines our progress.
 

Flashspur

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Jul 28, 2012
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I had the shits big time today but what the heck, I went out shopping today with the shirt on. I am Spurs and I am proud. Yes I cant stand being done over AGAIN by those blue #&**'s but in the long run there's going to be other semi finals and finals. I am Spurs for life and that is all that matters. Poch now has to pick the lads up and kick on from here. No use crying over the result. We have bigger fish to fry.
 

Flashspur

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Jul 28, 2012
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MISFORTUNE FAVOURS THE STUPID

OK, last week was all about the power of Poch, and whatever we are now, we are because of him. But as with the good, that is also true of the bad. Today Poch has to take a fair chunk of responsibility for us losing that game. I walked in on the game a minute and half into it, not knowing the teams etc, and the first thing that hit me like tactical stun grenade was seeing Son at LWB. It was tactically poor in various ways. The first, obviously being that Son is not a defender, is not used to the dynamics and disciplines of that role, and maybe against a bus Parker at WHL Poch might have gotten away with it, maybe. But in a game like this, against a team like Chelsea, it was very naive to assume it would not cause us problems. The second most obvious problem is that in trying so desperately to squeeze all our best attacking players onto the pitch from the start, it left us with a very weak bench, with no-one capable of really impacting the game in an offensive way from the bench should we need it. It also meant that should the tactical gamble go wrong, it could only really be rectified by taking one of the attacking players out of the game for good, or taking someone out of a pivotal role or changing to a shape which might not have been tactically as effective against the 343 of Chelsea. It was a pretty schoolboy mistake, and it cost us at least one goal. It wasn't Poch's last mistake, IMO, but will get to them later.

Chelsea came out lively and caught us on the hop a little. The first goal was clusterfuck that started with Dier being caught a bit flat footed, forgetting that he's not a CM, getting spun too easily, followed by Alderweireld possibly unnecessarily giving away a free kick and then to complete the trifecta, Lloris makes a bit of a pigs ear of the free kick. That 5th minute goal was the only time Chelsea scored a goal that wasn't completely against the run of play.

We then proceeded to take the game by the bollocks, and having deservedly got ourselves back it with a great ball from Eriksen, flicked in adroitly by Kane, and with the game seemingly completely under our control, Poch's tactical faux pas came back to bit us on the arse big style with Son making a horribly mistimed slow motion slide tackle from about 20 yards away from Moses who, like any player in his position, RSVP'd Son's invitation "yes please". Willian dispatched the penalty.

Once again, we picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves down and went about dominating the football. Our second equaliser was as good a goal as you will see. Eriksen, picking the ball up just infield on the right, seems to see the into future, and plays a ball that defied belief, whipping a low pass through the air that simultaneously curled away from the reach of Luiz but arced into the run of Alli, who for his own part had done what he does best, which is read Eriksen's brain and share that glimpse of the future, making the move and finishing deftly but emphatically. It was a sublime piece of football that deserved to win a game, not be a footnote.

We continued to dominate, but then Poch decided to make another one of his "curious" subs. For me, by this stage, we were so on top, and still trying to win the game, the defensive left side issue was a horse that had bolted long ago, and was less of an issue now as Chelsea were so submissive. Maybe bringing Walker on was a reactive measure to the introduction of Hazard, but I don't really get that either, Walker in recent years has proven just as likely to be mesmerised by Hazards twinkle toes as Trippier might be, I'd have happily let Trippier stay there and with 3CB's hope we could cope. There was no real issue down the left any more as we were so dominate and Chelsea so unambitious, but if that was Poch's motive, just bring Davies on. If that sub was designed to quell Hazard, it failed miserably as Walker - or whoever else should have been marking him - left Hazard all on his own from one of Chelsea's few corners. I'm really disappointed that someone like Alderweireld didn't organise us better at that corner - and this has to be something Poch looks at in the future, we can't be leaving a row of Chelsea players on the edge of the box from a corner, someone has to be barking orders and making sure bases are covered. From there Hazard gets the breaks that we didn't get throughout this game. Where Chelsea had blocked all day, we didn't, Hazard's shot goes through the legs of Alli, Dier seems to choose to let it go buy him and Lloris sees it too late.

And then Poch influences the fourth goal with another substitution. Matic scores from a big Wanyama shaped hole where Wanyama had previously been a minute before. Eriksen was the best player on that pitch today, but Poch's sub had the immediate, devastating effect of replacing a sturdy teak peg with a piece of balsa wood, and where Wanyama would have put his nuts in front of train if it would benefit his team, Eriksen just didn't quite offer up the same resistance. Football can be a cruel mistress, and that a player like Matic, who never scores, doesn't even have the ambition to want to score, hits a shot like that was football at it's very cruelest. It was a jagged dagger through the heart of what had been a fine performance.

It was a performance that, just prior to their third goal, had me thinking to myself, damn, we are a fucking good team now.

Dembele did get caught dawdling on the ball a couple of times, there were a couple of occasions when I wanted him to move the ball quicker, but apart from that he and Wanyama were like tooled up gladiators slapping weedy christians armed with feather dusters around a coliseum. Matic and Kante were like a pair of turtles in windsock. They just couldn't live with our two Brutus's. It's Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen I feel most sorry for. These three were absolutely outstanding today and deserved to be on a winning side. You could see how much these three wanted to win.

We cannot ignore Poch's influence on this performance or result. It was because of him that we outplayed, by some distance, this Chelsea side. But it was also partly because of him that we didn't get the right result. He made a very fundamental selection error from the start. Then, in a state of superiority he made changes that at best were moot, at worst, made us less superior.

What annoys me is that, for all our own self inflicted pain, this Chelsea side still didn't deserve to win this game, they didn't play it cute, soak us up, stop us playing, disturb our rhythm, nullify us or prevent us getting into dangerous areas and then cleverly hit us repeatedly on the break in a threatening way. They did that a coupe of times in the first 5 minutes, but from then on it was just moments of fortune really. Son gives away stupid penalty. Hazard fires one hopefully from the edge of the box that whizzes through a crown and finds it's way in. Matic cracks a howitzer from 30 yards off the crossbar. None of their goals, really involved any football, or clever tactical planning. This wasn't a tactical masterclass, such as the League cup final under Mourinho, this was a couple of mistakes by Poch, a couple of individual moments of brilliance. Not so much fortune favouring the brave, as misfortune punishing the stupid.

Individual

Lloris - Lucky not to get penalised for handling outside the box, was partially at fault for the first. After that I guess he didn't have much chance with the goals but didn't do anything great either.

Trippier - Was growing more and more involved and then got switched to the left.

Dier - Got caught napping for the first, and seems to make a decision to get out of the way of Hazard's shot. Also gave the ball away with a careless pas in the build up to the third goal I think. Apart from that he was OK.

Alderweireld - Decent enough but I think he didn't have to give away the free kick for the first.

Vertonghen - Good game for the most part

Son - Horrible first half, and whilst his challenge for the penalty was really poor, you really can't blame him too much as he just shouldn't be playing as a LWB. Was contributing second half and by then I would have eft him on.

Wanyama/Dembele - These two were outstanding today, bullied their midfield completely out of the game. And we mention Dembele's passing efficiency a lot, well Wanyama made 60 passes at 93.3% today (Dembele 53 @92.5).

Eriksen - This little fella is our maestro. That pass for the second goal is ensconced in my memory forever, a thing of utter beauty. Apart form that he was, as ever, our creative metronome, more touches than anyone on the pitch, constantly at the hub of everything good we do, and even winning aerial duels and shit. MOTM.

Alli - This was one of those slightly frustrating games. There was the obligatory moment of productive brilliance, and a fleeting few other moments of quality, but there were too many occasions where a bit more composure were needed, where he needed to stay on his feet and get the ball under control instead of flipping it away or allowing Chelsea players to fluster him or bundle him off it.

Kane - Worked hard, great finish for the goal.

...cant disagree with you on this...piss poor managerial performance. What was he thinking? I am sure Poch will learn from the experience.
 

Coyboy

The Double of 1961 is still The Double
Dec 3, 2004
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I was just thinking that with the personnel Poch chosen I would have preferred a 4-2-3-1 with Vertonghen at left back and Dembélé and Wanyama as the pivots. It still would have been far from ideal give that Vertonghen usually sulks when he plays there and hasn't for a long time, but it would have been better than having Son there.

Unless Davies was too unfit, on which we can all only defer to Poch and his staff, then having his system to catch Conte off guard would have worked better at both ends by being less vulnerable by having a defender play on the left and get the best out of Son in the final third of the pitch.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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Jan 29, 2011
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Of course. But it shouldn't be he main talking point. He was responsible for one of their goals, which wasn't even the decisive one.
Conceding just before half time, when we'd just dominated them entirely for about half an hour and were massively in the ascendancy, was a huge moment in the tie. Can't see how anyone can deny that.
 

SUIYHA

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Jan 15, 2017
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I think people are also forgetting that Son played at wing back against Bournemouth. Yes, it was on the right instead of left, yes it was against Bournemouth who were crap, and yes it wasn't for the whole game, but he was there for a part of the game. Still don't agree with the decision, but it wasn't as out of the blue as people are making it out to be.

I think we can safely say that he won't try that again.
 

Ionman34

SC Supporter
Jun 1, 2011
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Conceding just before half time, when we'd just dominated them entirely for about half an hour and were massively in the ascendancy, was a huge moment in the tie. Can't see how anyone can deny that.

The Ali goal was huger. The killer was the third, resulting from poor organisation and an awful clearance from Walker. Even then, Hazard was fortunate that he found the only clear avenue to goal past 3 players.
 

Gilzeanking

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May 7, 2005
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The Ali goal was huger. The killer was the third, resulting from poor organisation and an awful clearance from Walker. Even then, Hazard was fortunate that he found the only clear avenue to goal past 3 players.

And there is something in BC's complaint re Dier and that goal . The shot practically runs over his foot..it appears he's almost trying to avoid getting in the way . Just a bit strange to see ..
 

JAYSTAR

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Aug 25, 2012
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For me - Dier is the weak link in our current team. Ok Davies is weak and no way near as good as Rose, but Dier is the guy who keeps giving the ball away and dallying on the ball and getting caught out in key moments and places on the pitch. We need to look for a better player at RCB imo. No idea who, but Dier will probably move on if we do, because he won't want to stick around as a back up to Wanyama / cover at CB.
 

cliff jones

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Aug 31, 2012
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True....regarding the lack of yellow cards for the blue side. 3 Chelsea players were (or should have been) guilty of 3 cards....but Atkinson failed to give even one. He is an inadequate referee, at the best of times...but so are the reast of the ref panel. Bring in some quality from Europe for proper officiating?

There's a common thread in most of our key defeats this season- no, I don't mean Wembley. With the exception of Liverpool, Chelsea and our European opponents have been very adroit at these cute, tactical fouls. They made 19 to our 11 and it certainly felt like that. We need to wise up, and make a few more ourselves. We get cards for angry lunges. More shirt pulls, ankle taps, palming off please. From what I've seen continental refs are just as bad.
 
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