theShiznit
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just like Jol rates/rated him...
Ramos' first team selection
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SpurSince57
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Is Prince Kev fit or not at the moment?
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KPB KPB KPB.
As soon as Dervitte is fit, I'd slip him in next to Ledders. Move Kaboul to midfield and sell calamity Dawson to Charlton.
As soon as Dervitte is fit, I'd slip him in next to Ledders. Move Kaboul to midfield and sell calamity Dawson to Charlton.
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Oh no, I picked the same side as Bubble, something can't be right.
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Why does everybody seem to believe CM is ideal for Kaboul? Has he even ever played there?
I see him as a great prospect at CB, but he hardly has the passing ability of at CM, has he? I consider him to be first choice next to the King when he gets back, and I suppose I would rather see King than kaboul in midfield. He played some great games both for us and England in that position...
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I agree that it seems a little naive to suggest Kaboul would work as a defensive midfielder. If he's going to play that role he needs to have good ball retention and discipline, and I'm not sure we've really seen either really in his brief stint at Spurs. Maybe it will come in time, but more likely Ramos will bring in someone to do that job in January (Poulsen...oh yeah).
Until then I think we need to try and encourage Zokora to actually do his job and get JJ or Steed alongside him.
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Like Zokora, Tainio and Jenas you mean? I think he should be given a go there because we have exhausted all the other dross options.
Unless we sign a couple of decent players, in which case he can sit on the bench until he realises his potential. At the moment he is a shoddy excuse for a centre back. I feel for King if he is going to have to cover for Younes all game.
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Unless he was being pursued over Ramos' head? :wink:
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Just as long as your sig isn't the same as Bubble's.
The only changes (if any) I can see from Sunday's line-up will be in central midfield, because he's got no or very little latitude anywhere else; apart from the unlikely possibility of his picking Salty over Chimbo and Alnwick ahead of Cerny the defence is self-selecting, Lennon is nailed on, and so, probably, are Keane and Berbatov. Malbranque may not be ideal on the left, but does anyone have a better alternative, except maybe giving Routledge a whirl? So it's basically which two from Jenas, the Hudd, Zokora and Prince Kev (assuming he's fit).
Unless he tries something totally off the wall like putting Salty at RB, Chimbo at CB, and Kaboul at CM…
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Never going to happen, unless we pay around £40m, which we won't as he is probably worth about £4m. He is just a Danish Robbie Savage and as much as we need someone in that role Sevilla aren't going to let us get anywhere near him. West Ham are supposedly after Tiago, we could do much worse. Of course Lucho would be good too, but I really don't see any major additions. Instead I am hoping Ramos' conditioning plan and drilling into the players well defined roles within the team is going to see all of our players magically transform. I can hope.
Chatting to a gooner season ticket holder in the gym this morning (profuse apologies!), he said that playing Flamini ahead of Gilberto has dramatically changed the tempo of the Arse's game. They're pressing a lot more, higher up the pitch, and giving the opposition no time at all in midfield.
Similarly, I remember Ramos would frequently substitute one or two of his midfielders on the hour, (eg give Maresca the hook and replace him with the very similar Renato or Marti), as if making sure his players could compete at a very high tempo throughout the match.
So, maybe Ramos will get our CMs super-fit, and then transform them from box-to-boxers into players who compete for every first and second ball in the middle of the pitch. In other words patrolling the centre, saying "This is our territory, now piss off!" And once they have the ball, launching very fast counterattacks with wide players hugging the touchline. Could be very exciting indeed.
Similarly, I remember Ramos would frequently substitute one or two of his midfielders on the hour, (eg give Maresca the hook and replace him with the very similar Renato or Marti), as if making sure his players could compete at a very high tempo throughout the match.
So, maybe Ramos will get our CMs super-fit, and then transform them from box-to-boxers into players who compete for every first and second ball in the middle of the pitch. In other words patrolling the centre, saying "This is our territory, now piss off!" And once they have the ball, launching very fast counterattacks with wide players hugging the touchline. Could be very exciting indeed.
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we must all remember that the tactical genious of ramos and triple a day training sessions only managed to beat our lot of no so called no hopers and a so called tactically naive manager who only trains 1 hour a day - thanksto a refereeing cock-up and the width of a post.
I am expecting real improvement. But don't get fooled by the press who are only building him up (to sell papers) to knock him down (to sell more papers)
I am expecting real improvement. But don't get fooled by the press who are only building him up (to sell papers) to knock him down (to sell more papers)
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Kaboul does think he is a striker but it has only highlighted how awful dawson is unless there is another centre back to back him up like ledley used to. Look at some of the goals he has given away on his own recently... two at newcastle and then 1 at getafe soon after he came on. Thanks daws.... He is awful and needs to get out or really shape up his game...
karsten_finkle
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any centre-back is awful if their partner fucks off and leaves them - especially a young, inexperieced one.
look at the top four partnerships for example: all consist of a young aggressive one who challenges the early ball (terry, vidic, senderos & agger) alongside a more experienced partner who is positionally aware to pick up the pieces if the aggressive one loses out (carvalho, ferdinand, toure & carrager)
this is why dawson is so much better when he plays alongside king - he can concentrate on his natural, pressing, game safe in the knowledge that king is there to cover.
the problem we have is that our only 2 fit centre-backs play the same role - we have 2 aggressive players who like to press the early ball. one of them needs to be coached into holding back and being more positionally aware. i feel that kaboul is more suited to this role as he has more pace than dawson.
dawson isn't shit, kaboul isn't shit but collectively they are shit. this is a coaching issue, not an ability issue.
MilkyBarYid
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Yeah, I was trying to put a natural left footer on the left hand side; I don't agree with playing players out of their natural preferred positions hence why I didn't select Tanio, Routledge or Steed on the left wing.
It's certainly worth remembering that in last season's UEFA tie for all the tactics this and fitness that, the key decision was that most ridiculous penalty ever. Without that we may well have won 1-0, I'm sure we would have drawn and then the Lane game was a different affair.
Indeed from memory Seville's second goal came from a harsh free kick against Lee, and the ref blatantly favoured Seville all night.
Indeed from memory Seville's second goal came from a harsh free kick against Lee, and the ref blatantly favoured Seville all night.
