What's new

Quick RB Poll

Preferred RB for now?

  • Aurier

    Votes: 135 50.9%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 60 22.6%
  • Take a gamble on Walker-Peters

    Votes: 69 26.0%
  • Play someone else there out of position

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    265
  • Poll closed .

wrd

Well-Known Member
Aug 22, 2014
13,603
58,005
KWP for me, two starts in the Prem, two MOTM performances (although they were generous). He will get better, Trippier won't, Serge......will lose us more games with stupid fouls and penalties than he'd win.

Tbh I'd rather we buy in Jan

I like KWP and I like as many young players getting through the ranks as possible, but with our injuries in the CB area and also the DM area I feel that we shouldn't have too many young players at one time as it will cost us points. I prefer having experienced hands such as Dier and Vert around. I consider Sanchez and Winks still relatively young and would prefer the more experienced Aurier/Trips next to either Sanchez or Foyth and then when Dier/Vert come back then give KWP some opportunities.
 

Saoirse

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
6,160
15,636
The last three goals we've conceded in the league have all been Trippier errors. I think it's important for morale and competitiveness that form plays a role in selection and if so then it's Aurier by default - he'd done well in two or three games before his injury anyway.
 

Pat Rice Spurs fan

I'm dynamite and I don't know why
Feb 22, 2007
1,609
1,237
I think the issue is more Poch's use of the players.

Yes, Tripps is a bit off form, defensively, and definitely the slower of the two main guys, yet Poch keeps playing him and especially against the better, faster attacking teams/players where it's more obvious.

(Is Poch trying to play him back in to form???)

At a time when (I felt) Rose was well ahead of Davies, Poch rotated them every game - or at least it seemed that way - and, after an initial settling in period, Trippier was rotated with Walker, pretty much the same.

Now, unless we've got a really hectic schedule, he's playing Trippier almost all the time and Aurier's not getting a sniff.

I think a big part of the problem is that Rose has been injured a lot, so we've missed his dynamism on the left. This means we've gone from two of the fastest & most progressive fullbacks to two rather steady ones.

All four of our senior fullbacks are good players but Poch doesn't seem to plan ahead and pick the right ones/combinations for each particular opposition.

And for me, KWP is just not quite there yet and I think the only way he will be is to play against this level of player regularly. So, ideally, I'd loan him out in January to get that experience - making those early, inevitable mistakes for someone else . It worked for Walker & Rose and Trippier & Davies both played regularly for lower EPL teams before we bought them. We can moan about Alexander-Arnold at Liverpool but would he ever have got a chance if Clyne & Gomez hadn't been injured for so long and Wisdom & Flanagan not lived up to their expectation? Also, he came in at a time when Liverpool were expected to ship goals, so no one was pointing a finger if the odd one was down to him.
 

MichaelPawson

Well-Known Member
Aug 22, 2013
834
2,149
Voted for KWP but would be happy with Aurier too. Tripper's attitude and comportment around the pitch is really starting to get on my nerves, and I think its a less-than-constructive response to there being more pressure on him to perform after the World Cup. If nothing else, a break could help him refocus.

I'm stating the obvious here but there's obviously more to team selection than what we see as fans. I wonder in particular what kind of trainer Aurier is. If he's not really pressuring Tripper day-in, day-out, can Poch be blamed for continuing to start him out in such poor form?
 

wizgell

Park Laner
Aug 11, 2004
5,373
1,722
Full back is arguably the simplest role to play in football. I'd actually be tempted to play Sissoko there. He has a good engine, is fast and has lots of stamina. Or give KWP a go.

Aurier's stock has increased because Trippier's form is poor. People forget just how bad Aurier has been.

What is simple about playing full back?

-You need a fitness level that will get you beyond your winger going forward and then back to fill in defensively.
-Deliveries into the box are as much your responsibility as they are for the more creative attacking players.
-You're position is more often than not dictated by whether those around you are in the correct position.
-You're often expected to cover for those who aren't in position whilst maintaining at least touching distance with your own position.
-etc etc etc
 

Sevens

Well-Known Member
Apr 23, 2014
4,583
6,947
What is simple about playing full back?

-You need a fitness level that will get you beyond your winger going forward and then back to fill in defensively.
-Deliveries into the box are as much your responsibility as they are for the more creative attacking players.
-You're position is more often than not dictated by whether those around you are in the correct position.
-You're often expected to cover for those who aren't in position whilst maintaining at least touching distance with your own position.
-etc etc etc

What outfield role would you say is simpler?
 

wizgell

Park Laner
Aug 11, 2004
5,373
1,722
What outfield role would you say is simpler?

I think it's difficult to place any outfield position as a simple one but I would argue that the role of a winger is a lot less complicated than a full back if we are talking generically.

It's widely accepted that a winger can play in a very one dimensional manner; beat your man>get a cross in.

Very few wingers are lauded for any other aspect of their game and many often forgo the type of defensively responsibility that comes with most other positions (striker aside).

Obviously in a Poch side that changes but your post implied you were talking in a generic context.
 

Sevens

Well-Known Member
Apr 23, 2014
4,583
6,947
I think it's difficult to place any outfield position as a simple one but I would argue that the role of a winger is a lot less complicated than a full back if we are talking generically.

It's widely accepted that a winger can play in a very one dimensional manner; beat your man>get a cross in.

Very few wingers are lauded for any other aspect of their game and many often forgo the type of defensively responsibility that comes with most other positions (striker aside).

Obviously in a Poch side that changes but your post implied you were talking in a generic context.

If that is the case, then why are most full backs failed wingers?
 

razzmaster

Well-Known Member
Jun 21, 2008
2,328
13,159
I think Trippier needs a break and also taken out of his comfort zone and made to fight for his place.
 

Adam456

Well-Known Member
Jul 1, 2005
4,458
3,122
The overriding observation on our RBs for some time has got to be that they are a bit short up top. Only Walker has had the natural talent to make up for that. I thought Aurier had too but he just doesn't seem to learn and hasn't improved.

Really think we need to get KWP more starts and see if he can be consistently better
 
Top