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Pochettino - 'I'm at a loss to see what all the fuss is about'

CheeseGromit

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What we are looking for is a manager that can more out of a team than the sum of the individual parts

Stats are only relevant when taken in context. Did Potts achieve more than he should have done with the squad at his disposal

There is another thread comparing our size and capability against our league position. Well this can be used in this thread as well when judging Pochettino

It is a delicate balance between picking the up and coming and the rigours of Prem. Lots of criticism about Ramos but he was in charge of a side that performed well, same can be said of AVB. Neither hacked in the prem

Poch at least has that experience. Not my first choice but would not be disappointed if appointed. Would FdB going repeat Ramos /AVB experience.

All very challenging questions for Danny boy
 

Ginolas_Hair

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For some people it appears that way.

You raise an interesting question but would any of the top four clubs have appointed Martinez after he left Wigan? No they didn't. Or Rodgers before his spell at Swansea? Again... no.

But seeing what Martinez has done with Everton (albeit after only one season). He's now being muted as a potential successor for the Gooners - a top four team.

The question is are we willing to take a risk on manager such a Pochettino who hasn't got the glowing statistics behind him re. a high win % etc. But has managed to work well with clubs with limited resources and has experience the Premier League?

Or do we need a big name manager with a higher win % and other positive stats behind him hoping for an instant impact but without any Premier League experience?
 

Gaz_Gammon

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You raise an interesting question but would any of the top four clubs have appointed Martinez after he left Wigan? No they didn't. Or Rodgers before his spell at Swansea? Again... no.

But seeing what Martinez has done with Everton (albeit after only one season). He's now being muted as a potential successor for the Gooners - a top four team.

The question is are we willing to take a risk on manager such a Pochettino who hasn't got the glowing statistics behind him re. a high win % etc. But has managed to work well with clubs with limited resources and has experience the Premier League?

Or do we need a big name manager with a higher win % and other positive stats behind him hoping for an instant impact but without any Premier League experience?


Martinez has to be tested without loaned players. Please do your homework first. Take away Lukaku's goals this season and go figure where Everton really would be in the PL (i think it's 11th). If you doubt that go see where WBA finished last season with Lukaku's sixteen goals compared to this season.

As for Pochettino, he has taken a team, of young talent to mid-table. If you really want a mid-table manager then that's fine by me. When you look at his last job he took Espanyol from relegation fodder to tenth (see a similarity here?). He did the same the season after but in his third season left the Club after securing just nine points from thirteen games! If ever Ramos had a twin this guy is surely him.

At the end of the day we aspire to buy players that can challenge the top four sides, yet the most important part of the team we trawl around after mid table managers who are the flavour of the month.
 

Dan Yeats

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I'd be very happy with either FdB or Poch tbh. Poch slightly edging it for me, but but I was saying the opposite a week ago so either's good. My biggest concern about Frank atm is that I can quite easily imagine a falling out with Levy for some reason.

I really don't want Benitez though. I know he's won things, commands respect yada yada yada - but he doesn't feel a good fit for our club to me. He's just not very Spurs.

And I'm also wary about taking Chelski's reject managers becoming a habit...
 

Ginolas_Hair

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Martinez has to be tested without loaned players. Please do your homework first. Take away Lukaku's goals this season and go figure where Everton really would be in the PL (i think it's 11th). If you doubt that go see where WBA finished last season with Lukaku's sixteen goals compared to this season.

As for Pochettino, he has taken a team, of young talent to mid-table. If you really want a mid-table manager then that's fine by me. When you look at his last job he took Espanyol from relegation fodder to tenth (see a similarity here?). He did the same the season after but in his third season left the Club after securing just nine points from thirteen games! If ever Ramos had a twin this guy is surely him.

At the end of the day we aspire to buy players that can challenge the top four sides, yet the most important part of the team we trawl around after mid table managers who are the flavour of the month.

So you're disregarding a manager with limited spending power compared to the company it keeps (top 8) because he uses loan signings to improve his squad?

I think this shows intelligence to use the loan market to it's fullest potential without the need to spend large sums of money.

Ramos had just had a very successful spell at Sevilla before he arrived at Spurs. So he seemed like a good candidate for the job... at the time.

You seem to think that once a mid-table manager, always a mid-table manager.

But what about Rodgers - Swansea were a mid-table side before he left for Liverpool. But Rodgers ability as a manager has shown he is not limited to a mid-table finish based on his past results.

My point is that I think a manager who can motivate a team to punch above their weight on a regular basis through positive tactics, good man-management of players with a wide-range of abilities and intelligence in the transfer market including the use of loan signings is worth considering.
 

mawspurs

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So you're disregarding a manager with limited spending power compared to the company it keeps (top 8) because he uses loan signings to improve his squad?

I think this shows intelligence to use the loan market to it's fullest potential without the need to spend large sums of money.

Ramos had just had a very successful spell at Sevilla before he arrived at Spurs. So he seemed like a good candidate for the job... at the time.

You seem to think that once a mid-table manager, always a mid-table manager.

But what about Rodgers - Swansea were a mid-table side before he left for Liverpool. But Rodgers ability as a manager has shown he is not limited to a mid-table finish based on his past results.

My point is that I think a manager who can motivate a team to punch above their weight on a regular basis through positive tactics, good man-management of players with a wide-range of abilities and intelligence in the transfer market including the use of loan signings is worth considering.

I wouldn't disregard Martinez, but Poch would not be my first choice. He'd be a poor second for me.

I hope he proves me wrong if he does get it. But I'd go all out for FDB if I were Levy.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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So you're disregarding a manager with limited spending power compared to the company it keeps (top 8) because he uses loan signings to improve his squad?

I think this shows intelligence to use the loan market to it's fullest potential without the need to spend large sums of money.

Ramos had just had a very successful spell at Sevilla before he arrived at Spurs. So he seemed like a good candidate for the job... at the time.

You seem to think that once a mid-table manager, always a mid-table manager.

But what about Rodgers - Swansea were a mid-table side before he left for Liverpool. But Rodgers ability as a manager has shown he is not limited to a mid-table finish based on his past results.

My point is that I think a manager who can motivate a team to punch above their weight on a regular basis through positive tactics, good man-management of players with a wide-range of abilities and intelligence in the transfer market including the use of loan signings is worth considering.


If you think a side can sustain a top four finish by changing out their key players each season with loans then i would agree, but i never have after watching this game for over forty years. Honest.

Going by what you are saying this guy should be top of our managers wanted list then:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...4/mar/07/in-defence-tony-pulis-crystal-palace

If a "mid-table" manager is the way forward, perhaps you should send a copy of this post to Man Citeh, Chel$ea, Man Ure and Arsenal because they have missed the boat big time. I mean, i haven't seen Mark Hughes mentioned in the corridors of power at Old Trafford as a Moyes (another mid table manager) replacement have you?
 

Ginolas_Hair

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If you think a side can sustain a top four finish by changing out their key players each season with loans then i would agree, but i never have after watching this game for over forty years. Honest.

Going by what you are saying this guy should be top of our managers wanted list then:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...4/mar/07/in-defence-tony-pulis-crystal-palace

If a "mid-table" manager is the way forward, perhaps you should send a copy of this post to Man Citeh, Chel$ea, Man Ure and Arsenal because they have missed the boat big time. I mean, i haven't seen Mark Hughes mentioned in the corridors of power at Old Trafford as a Moyes (another mid table manager) replacement have you?

I understand what you're saying to a point. But I think we seem to have our wires crossed.

I'm not saying we should be aiming for a 'mid-table' manager for the sake of aiming to finish mid-table because that isn't what Spurs are aiming for.

What I am trying to point out is that some managers are able to make the most of what they've got in terms of players, identify key areas of improvement by bringing in quality players (even on loan) and surpass expectations by beating and finishing above other teams with greater budgets and resources.

This to me suggests potential and room for progress.

Not a stagnant mid-table manager who may steady the ship and nothing more (see Pardew/Newcastle, Mark Hughes/Blackburn/Stoke).

Pulis is an interesting one (i don't want him at Spurs btw) but at Stoke he created a solid defensive team who could bully world-class opposition on a regular basis.
Now at Palace, he seems to be inspiring creative players (Gayle and Puncheon) and promoting counter-attacking football.. not something you'd expect during his time at Stoke.
The guy deserves credit for what he has been able to achieve at both teams by showing himself to be a motivational manager and able to adapt his tactics to more than a Plan A (Big Sam) hoof the ball up to the big guy. And this begs the questions of how he would fare with a team like Spurs... and that is my point.

We can't attract the Van Gaal's/Klopp's/Guardiola's/Ancelloti's due to various reasons.

And I don't think anybody expected 'Arry to bring us Champions League football based on his track record with mid- to lower-table clubs as he'd never done it before.

But he did... so why can't a Pochettino or Pulis or other slightly under-rated or un-discovered managers who are exceeding expectations and showing potential able to do so at a bigger club?

Pochettino is a gamble but "safer" bets in AvB/Ramos/Santini have failed and they had better track records than most.
 

Spurger King

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Appalling 'journalism'. Starts off woefully by claiming Adebayor didn't play a single minute of football under AVB (I must have dreamt that he played in the hammering away to Oil Money), then goes downhill from there.
 
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