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mawspurs

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Mauricio Pochettino admits to having stern words with Vincent Janssen in a bid to convince him he can be a success at Tottenham.

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thinktank

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You can't stick Vince in our set-up, you have to set-up around Vince...to get the best out of him. This is why he'll still be sold imo. You have to cater to him and we need more scope from our strikers for the kind of team we are now.

Bad scouting tbh.

Poch may give him a shot, but also has to play the right players around him, in the right way, to make proper use of his attributes and get real value out of him.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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You can't stick Vince in our set-up, you have to set-up around Vince...to get the best out of him. This is why he'll still be sold imo. You have to cater to him and we need more scope from our strikers for the kind of team we are now.

Bad scouting tbh.

Poch will give him a shot but he has to play the right players around him , in the right way, to make proper use of his attributes and get real value out of him.
Not sure about that, in reality. Not saying I know you are wrong, because on the surface your post is logical and sensible. However, I don't think Janssen is tested enough in the present 343 formation to pass that judgement unequivocally.

If we assume a line up of the best 10 players in the squad + Janssen in a 343, and in the present form of some of those most central players, he should get enough service and fit in well.

The whole team simply is playing way better than last time he started in the PL.

If on the other hand, he still doesn't work within the Spurs line up we see today, you will be right.
 

thinktank

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Not sure about that, in reality. Not saying I know you are wrong, because on the surface your post is logical and sensible. However, I don't think Janssen is tested enough in the present 343 formation to pass that judgement unequivocally.

If we assume a line up of the best 10 players in the squad + Janssen in a 343, and in the present form of some of those most central players, he should get enough service and fit in well.

The whole team simply is playing way better than last time he started in the PL.

If on the other hand, he still doesn't work within the Spurs line up we see today, you will be right.
That formation's fine as long as we play trippier, winks, rose (ideally) eriksen, son around him. He needs to be fed from all areas of the final 3rd; it's about variety of opportunity with him imo.

Tripps, rose, winks, eriksen are absolutely key for him.

This would work for him imo:

Lloris
Dier----Toby----Verts
Tripps----Wanyama------Winks----Rose
-------Son-------Eriksen---
Vince​
 

Everlasting Seconds

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That formation's fine as long as we play trippier, winks, rose (ideally) eriksen, son around him. He needs to be fed from all areas of the final 3rd; it's about variety of opportunity with him imo.

Tripps, rose, winks, eriksen are absolutely key for him.

This would work for him imo:

Lloris
Dier----Toby----Verts
Tripps----Wanyama------Winks----Rose
-------Son-------Eriksen---
Vince​
Would love to see it, actually. It seems that Dele is undroppable atm. and that Son is ahead of Janssen, but it's a smart thought to actually include both of Son and Janssen in the same line-up. Seems like a catch 22 though. I'm not sure if Janssen has displayed enough to warrant such a selection to accommodate him, and question is if he will get to display enough if not given such a huge opportunity to do so.
 

thinktank

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Would love to see it, actually. It seems that Dele is undroppable atm. and that Son is ahead of Janssen, but it's a smart thought to actually include both of Son and Janssen in the same line-up. Seems like a catch 22 though. I'm not sure if Janssen has displayed enough to warrant such a selection to accommodate him, and question is if he will get to display enough if not given such a huge opportunity to do so.

Not at all; but that's how you have to play him if you're going to.
 

Japhet

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That formation's fine as long as we play trippier, winks, rose (ideally) eriksen, son around him. He needs to be fed from all areas of the final 3rd; it's about variety of opportunity with him imo.

Tripps, rose, winks, eriksen are absolutely key for him.

This would work for him imo:

Lloris
Dier----Toby----Verts
Tripps----Wanyama------Winks----Rose
-------Son-------Eriksen---
Vince​


I don't see Dele being dropped to accommodate VJ. Janssen seems quite easy to defend against - put your strongest CB on him and let them slug it out. Dele and Son are much more mobile and harder to pick up by contrast.
 

double0

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The suggestion to drop Alli is laughable..... Really!!


Janssen hopefully with his Dutch football up bringing will be able to adjust to the team in time hopefully.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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You can't stick Vince in our set-up, you have to set-up around Vince...to get the best out of him. This is why he'll still be sold imo. You have to cater to him and we need more scope from our strikers for the kind of team we are now.

Bad scouting tbh.

Poch may give him a shot, but also has to play the right players around him, in the right way, to make proper use of his attributes and get real value out of him.


What a load o' cack.

The players around Kane have made more assists then a hooker offering a hand job.

Just who are these "right players" you speaketh of oh great one?
 

tiger666

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You can't stick Vince in our set-up, you have to set-up around Vince...to get the best out of him. This is why he'll still be sold imo. You have to cater to him and we need more scope from our strikers for the kind of team we are now.

Bad scouting tbh.

Poch may give him a shot, but also has to play the right players around him, in the right way, to make proper use of his attributes and get real value out of him.

What a load of bollocks.
 

thinktank

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What a load o' cack.

The players around Kane have made more assists then a hooker offering a hand job.

Just who are these "right players" you speaketh of oh great one?
Learn to read, you ignorant fool

I posted a team formation with players we currently have available who I think we'd need to play around him, specifically.

Kane is a totally different striker - much more dynamic, adaptable and has a much wider scope to his game.

Now waddle off back to your playpen you mug.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Learn to read, you ignorant fool

I posted a team formation with players we currently have available who I think we'd need to play around him, specifically.

Kane is a totally different striker - much more dynamic, adaptable and has a much wider scope to his game.

Now waddle off back to your playpen you mug.


You always revert to insults when you have been found out.

You said:
Poch may give him a shot, but also has to play the right players around him

So just who are these "right players" you talk of who are not already in the side pray tell?

To have to suggest to anyone on here that "Kane is a totally different striker" is comedy gold, it really is. You should be on stage with Peter Kay.
 

sebo_sek

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So Poch has stern words, then come game time, takes off Son, puts Winks on and moves Alli into the forward position RATHER than introduce Janssen. When exactly is he supposed prove himself. In the whopping 6 minutes he gets?
Having just scored, he should have been given at least 20 minutes. Mind you, getting fouled 3 or 4 times in the time he was on might just have saved us the 3 pts today.
 

yido_number1

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So Poch has stern words, then come game time, takes off Son, puts Winks on and moves Alli into the forward position RATHER than introduce Janssen. When exactly is he supposed prove himself. In the whopping 6 minutes he gets?
Having just scored, he should have been given at least 20 minutes. Mind you, getting fouled 3 or 4 times in the time he was on might just have saved us the 3 pts today.

Anyone watching the game could see why we bought Winks on for Son. Son wasn't giving us enough hold up play and our midfield were being over run. By getting Winks in and playing Dele in a less advanced role than Son we controlled the game better. He then introduced Janssen to busy himself up around their defence and hold the ball better.

Good game management by Poch IMO and unfortunately for Janssen it limited his time. If we were 3-0 up he may have come on earlier to rest Son but we weren't.
 

Cinemattis

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That formation's fine as long as we play trippier, winks, rose (ideally) eriksen, son around him. He needs to be fed from all areas of the final 3rd; it's about variety of opportunity with him imo.

Tripps, rose, winks, eriksen are absolutely key for him.

This would work for him imo:

Lloris
Dier----Toby----Verts
Tripps----Wanyama------Winks----Rose
-------Son-------Eriksen---
Vince​
I see your points, but I actually believe he´d fare better in the system we played last season, and most times before Christmas. The 4-2-3-1:

Lloris
Walker/Trippier---Toby---Jan---Rose/Davies
Wanyama/Dier---Dembele/Winks
Eriksen---Dele---Son
Janssen​

With 3 in the line just behind him, he´d have more constant support and more movement around him. Left/right backs would still supply, but maybe not as frequent as in the 3-4-2-1 system (mind you: they do supply plenty in this system as well - proven over and over again this season and last).

3-4-2-1:
The two key players in your line up to help VJ succeed would for me be Rose and Winks. Just because they are more present and direct in their play in the opponents´half than Davies and Dembele imo.
 
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