Player Watch : Vincent Janssen

[Krafty]

Fair play to him going to Mexico

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Fair play to him going to Mexico

Having seen that presenter, I now know why he went.

 

[fortworthspur]

I know there's a big difference between the eredivisie and the prem but he was banging them in for fun the season before he came to us. Maybe if we could have brought him along slower things might have worked out but Kane's injury made that impossible.

 

[sausage]

I know there's a big difference between the eredivisie and the prem but he was banging them in for fun the season before he came to us. Maybe if we could have brought him along slower things might have worked out but Kane's injury made that impossible.

Technically, half the season. He scored 6 goals in 17 games (scoring those across 4 games) up until the end of 2015 in the Eredivisie, essentially not scoring in 13 of the 17 league games.

He had a purple patch in the second half, scoring 21 goals in 17 league games (scoring in 14 of those 17 games), where I can only assume he sold his soul or something. This averaged out his season and made him look like a consistent young talent, which wasn't the fully story

So (technically) his career has been underwhelming but for 5 prolific months, so it shouldn't really be a surprise that he has struggled tbf.

 

[philll]

The goal he scored for us in that video, wasn't that against like Newport County or something? I mean, it still counts but it just speaks to how poor his time with us was.

 

[fortworthspur]

Technically, half the season. He scored 6 goals in 17 games (scoring those across 4 games) up until the end of 2015 in the Eredivisie, essentially not scoring in 13 of the 17 league games.

He had a purple patch in the second half, scoring 21 goals in 17 league games (scoring in 14 of those 17 games), where I can only assume he sold his soul or something. This averaged out his season and made him look like a consistent young talent, which wasn't the fully story

So (technically) his career has been underwhelming but for 5 prolific months, so it shouldn't really be a surprise that he has struggled tbf.

he scored 22 the season before in the Dutch second tier.

 

[soflapaul]

Even if he wasn't up for the battle, he was one of the players who gave his all on the pitch. Like many on here, i'll wish him nothing but the best and hope that we hear that his career kick starts in the near future.

 

[sausage]

he scored 22 the season before in the Dutch second tier.

22 in 38 games. In the second tier of dutch football.

For context, a bloke called Mart Lieder scored 30 in 31 a couple of seasons ago, Tom Boere scored 33 the season before that, and Sjoerd Ars scored 28 in the same season Janssen played in it.

I would expand on that, but the detail probably highlights the case in point.

 

[fortworthspur]

22 in 38 games. In the second tier of dutch football.

For context, a bloke called Mart Lieder scored 30 in 31 a couple of seasons ago, Tom Boere scored 33 the season before that, and Sjoerd Ars scored 28 in the same season Janssen played in it.

I would expand on that, but the detail probably highlights the case in point.

and a fellow named Van Nistelrooy only managed 12 at the same age. not sure what your point is.

 

[sausage]

and a fellow named Van Nistelrooy only managed 12 at the same age. not sure what your point is.

My point hasn't changed - he's never been prolific by any standard, except for 5 months of his career.

Comparing van Nistelrooy is quite strange, and I don't understand why you brought up his Almere record anyway.

 

[Leoparden]

I always thought he looked quite comfortable as a player and as a link up player/target man. I sort of believed in him. A bit sad it turned out the way it did. I somhow always hoped he would do a Sissoko, and just over time train himself back into it. Never did. Good luck in Mexico!

 

[fortworthspur]

My point hasn't changed - he's never been prolific by any standard, except for 5 months of his career.

Comparing van Nistelrooy is quite strange, and I don't understand why you brought up his Almere record anyway.

compare their goal scoring records their last season in 2nd tier and next season in top tier. Vinnie has better numbers. You seem to want to point to a 4 month drought and say its obvious he wouldnt work out. I disagree. You could just as easily say he took a little time to adjust to the next level but should be able to adjust to the prem with time. who knows with a 20 year old?

 

[nikojev]

Who's gonna take his squad number? Kinda strange not having someone wear number 9, but at the same time we don't really have anyone who fits the 9 other than Kane but he won't drop 10.

 

[Saoirse]

Who's gonna take his squad number? Kinda strange not having someone wear number 9, but at the same time we don't really have anyone who fits the 9 other than Kane but he won't drop 10.

Bale

 

[sausage]

compare their goal scoring records their last season in 2nd tier and next season in top tier. Vinnie has better numbers. You seem to want to point to a 4 month drought and say its obvious he wouldnt work out. I disagree. You could just as easily say he took a little time to adjust to the next level but should be able to adjust to the prem with time. who knows with a 20 year old?

Umm no. I pointed to a 5 month period where he was "was banging them in for fun". No other period existed in his career where he was anywhere near prolific.

If you want to make a comparison to van Nistelrooy (which, again, is odd) I would say that neither of them were prolific either up until the same point in their dutch careers (upto their first half season in the Eredivisie). The difference is, van Nistelrooy by 25 was consistently banging them in for fun and was playing under Fergie.

Janssen, by comparison, went on to score 6 league goals in the following 5 seasons.

Some players get moves based on a brief window of form (VJ), whereas others (RvN) get moves based on consistent form. We gambled that we were getting a van Nistelrooy, but ended up with an Altidore.

To reiterate, this shouldn't have been a surprise (different to "it's obvious" etc.) as we blatantly bought him on the basis of a tiny window of his career where he looked useful. We need to learn from that, and hopefully we have.

 

[fortworthspur]

Umm no. I pointed to a 5 month period where he was "was banging them in for fun". No other period existed in his career where he was anywhere near prolific.

If you want to make a comparison to van Nistelrooy (which, again, is odd) I would say that neither of them were prolific either up until the same point in their dutch careers (upto their first half season in the Eredivisie). The difference is, van Nistelrooy by 25 was consistently banging them in for fun and was playing under Fergie.

Janssen, by comparison, went on to score 6 league goals in the following 5 seasons.

Some players get moves based on a brief window of form (VJ), whereas others (RvN) get moves based on consistent form. We gambled that we were getting a van Nistelrooy, but ended up with an Altidore.

To reiterate, this shouldn't have been a surprise (different to "it's obvious" etc.) as we blatantly bought him on the basis of a tiny window of his career where he looked useful. We need to learn from that, and hopefully we have.

correct, so applying your logic we shouldnt have expected much of Van Nistlerooy at 21 either. and why would you only consider the first half of a season?

 

[scat1620]

We're going to be left with egg on our faces when Janssen emerges from his Mexican chrysalis as the reincarnation of Ruud van Nistelrooy and we've only got Pablo Dybala to show for it.

 

[sausage]

correct, so applying your logic we shouldnt have expected much of Van Nistlerooy at 21 either. and why would you only consider the first half of a season?

Your attempt to change the point of this is view weird.

Janssen ended up being second division Dutch striker quality, van Nistelrooy did not. That's it.

Moral of the story: don't sign players based on a purple patch. That's why no top teams bought RvN until he'd proved he could do it over several seasons.

 

[fortworthspur]

Your attempt to change the point of this is view weird.

Janssen ended up being second division Dutch striker quality, van Nistelrooy did not. That's it.

Moral of the story: don't sign players based on a purple patch. That's why no top teams bought RvN until he'd proved he could do it over several seasons.

what you said is it should have been obvious he wouldnt succeed based on his record before coming to Spurs. At least I think thats what you said. If thats so you'd have drawn the same conclusion about RVN and would have been wrong.

 

[WePlayWednesday]

what you said is it should have been obvious he wouldnt succeed based on his record before coming to Spurs. At least I think thats what you said. If thats so you'd have drawn the same conclusion about RVN and would have been wrong.

There are a few players who struggled to cross from the Eriedivisie to the EPL, and some who absolutely ace it!

Anyone remember Marco Boogers who joined the Spam? Flopped badly and was found hiding in a caravan. Or Brighton’s Jahanbakhsh who had a record of P33 Scored 21 and 6 assists in Holland and then P19 scored 0 and 4 assists.

I guess it’s the chance you take, for every Van Nistelrooy you scout and buy there’s a Boogers, Jahanbakhsh and Janssen!