Player Watch: Moussa Sissoko

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Spot on

All the fucking sheep believing the Sissoko is shit line instead of opening their eyes

Now they all think he’s the Messiah

Jokers
It’s more complicated than that. Firstly, he was a Levy, not a Poch acquisition. This merely elevates Poch’s coaching abilities further given he wasn’t his choice. Couple this with how poor he was, and for some considerable time and it becomes unreasonable to call people jokers for criticising him. He was way below what he’s producing now. Apart from some promising seasons with Tolouese and international appearances his career over the last 5 years has not only stalled but nose dived . Newcastle fans were gobsmacked when they managed to sell him for 30 million- taking to social media to thank us for buying him.

It’s only been since about October 2018 that he’s rediscovered his form from his french domestic days, and thank god he has. We would have been wrecked and weakened more so without him. This turnaround is a brilliant thing to see so it’s no surprise so many of us are so pleased for him. That doesn’t make us jokers though
 

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It’s more complicated than that. Firstly, he was a Levy, not a Poch acquisition. This merely elevates Poch’s coaching abilities further given he wasn’t his choice. Couple this with how poor he was, and for some considerable time and it becomes unreasonable to call people jokers for criticising him. He was way below what he’s producing now. Apart from some promising seasons with Tolouese and international appearances his career over the last 5 years has not only stalled but nose dived . Newcastle fans were gobsmacked when they managed to sell him for 30 million- taking to social media to thank us for buying him.

It’s only been since about October 2018 that he’s rediscovered his form from his french domestic days, and thank god he has. We would have been wrecked and weakened more so without him. This turnaround is a brilliant thing to see so it’s no surprise so many of us are so pleased for him. That doesn’t make us jokers though
Many ITK's said Poch wanted him and the way lots of people spoke about MS does make them jokers

I get your point and agree with a lot of it but Moussa never played as badly as some stated and many believed.
Even at his worst he did certain things in the game that helped his team

To say a player is absolute shit and now to be saying how good he is doesn’t say much about someone’s ability to understand football when you take everything into consideration
 

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Been a cult hero because his performances were awful in some cases, and he was mocked by his own fans.

There cannot be many turnarounds like this at the same club? He’s been phenomenal for us when we have needed it.

Shows that it’s not just footballing ability that makes up a winning team, without the ‘water carriers’ the best players cannot shine on top of the hard work of others.
 
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Many ITK's said Poch wanted him and the way lots of people spoke about MS does make them jokers

I get your point and agree with a lot of it but Moussa never played as badly as some stated and many believed.
Even at his worst he did certain things in the game that helped his team

To say a player is absolute shit and now to be saying how good he is doesn’t say much about someone’s ability to understand football when you take everything into consideration
The point I really agree on here is that we should never give up on our players- certainly if they have the right attitude, which Poch has said numerous times Sissoko does have.

If anything Sissoko’s rise to one of the best central midfielders in the Prem this season is a brilliant lesson to anyone doubting themselves or others. Find out what your strengths are and absolutely play them to their maximum potential. He deserves so much admiration for stepping up like he has. This mental strength emanates from him on the pitch now, making him a hard fucker to play against- exactly the type of player good teams need
 
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100% down to confidence. When your confidence drops you doubt yourself and then you hesitate or make the wrong decision. Then the crowd get on your back and the confidence drops a bit more. Then you don't get picked and your match fitness drops and when you get the odd chance you don't do very well. The loop is then complete and it turns into a downward spiral. It takes massive mental strength to turn things around the way Sissoko has and huge credit goes to Poch for believing in him and nurturing him back into form. The confidence spiral is now working in the other direction.
Absolutely, I feel we're making the same points but coming to different conclusions though :LOL:

Do you not feel athletes with the most mental strength aren't as affected by outside factors as others? A confident striker doesn't let his head drop after a miss. A mentally strong player performs even when his teammates' heads have fallen or when the crowd have turned on him.

In this discussion, Sissoko's mental strength is being attributed to him overcoming a drastic LACK of confidence (or mental strength) that lasted for several years.

I certainly commend the guy, and hope his newfound confidence is permanent, but I think his poor form for the first couple years for us and for Newcastle reveals a guy who struggles when not fully motivated and confident.

In any case, happy for the guy and long may it last.
 

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Don’t be ridiculous. Sissoko has always put in effort.
I disagree. I think there have been times when he first came where he was happy to coast. He wasn’t a spurs man and ideally wanted to go to Arsenal that summer. He sent them a come and get me plea before leaving Newcastle. So he came to spurs thinking that it would be a stepping stone. At times he didn’t track back well and didn’t put this foot in to challenges. And apparently didn’t perform
Or try in training.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp..../mauricio-pochettino-moussa-sissoko-tottenham

Now he seems more up for it the fans have his back and it’s fed his confidence and desire to be a spurs player.
 

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Absolutely, I feel we're making the same points but coming to different conclusions though :LOL:

Do you not feel athletes with the most mental strength aren't as affected by outside factors as others? A confident striker doesn't let his head drop after a miss. A mentally strong player performs even when his teammates' heads have fallen or when the crowd have turned on him.

In this discussion, Sissoko's mental strength is being attributed to him overcoming a drastic LACK of confidence (or mental strength) that lasted for several years.

I certainly commend the guy, and hope his newfound confidence is permanent, but I think his poor form for the first couple years for us and for Newcastle reveals a guy who struggles when not fully motivated and confident.

In any case, happy for the guy and long may it last.

I think Sissoko's situation is a bit unique. He came in as a record signing which carries its' own weight. He then struggled for any sort of form and was played in a wide right position where he didn't have the skill set for the job. The fans then treated him as a joke and a bloody expensive one at that. The crushing of his confidence was then quite inevitable but his mental strength enabled him to deal with it. It seems to me that he concentrated on his own strengths (i.e. his athleticism and physicality) and our injury crisis pushed him into a position where he could use those attributes and improve them massively. In short, he was able to believe in himself when the vast majority didn't, and he was lucky to have Poch's support during the process.
 

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Absolutely, I feel we're making the same points but coming to different conclusions though :LOL:

Do you not feel athletes with the most mental strength aren't as affected by outside factors as others? A confident striker doesn't let his head drop after a miss. A mentally strong player performs even when his teammates' heads have fallen or when the crowd have turned on him.

In this discussion, Sissoko's mental strength is being attributed to him overcoming a drastic LACK of confidence (or mental strength) that lasted for several years.

I certainly commend the guy, and hope his newfound confidence is permanent, but I think his poor form for the first couple years for us and for Newcastle reveals a guy who struggles when not fully motivated and confident.

In any case, happy for the guy and long may it last.
Confidence is not the same as mental strength, it is an aspect of mental strength. Likewise, motivation.

Resilience and determination are also aspects of mental strength. And Sissoko has shown resilience in the face of adversity and determination to keep going through that adversity, which are signs of mental strength.
 

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Absolutely loved him on Saturday. The way he was playing was like he acccidentally turned up as a ringer in a charity match (yes Huddersfield were awful, feel for their fans). Levels above their whole midfield. Even chucked in a cheeky roulette for effect.

The way he stepped in to back his mate up speaks for itself. No one wanted any of that.

There is something quite brilliant about watching him currently, or more specifically watch the opposition have no f-ing idea what to do with him. He is insane physically, and now playing with great composure to go with it. If he could finish he'd be the total package! Insane turnaround. Long may this form continue.
 

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Absolutely loved him on Saturday. The way he was playing was like he acccidentally turned up as a ringer in a charity match (yes Huddersfield were awful, feel for their fans). Levels above their whole midfield. Even chucked in a cheeky roulette for effect.

The way he stepped in to back his mate up speaks for itself. No one wanted any of that.

There is something quite brilliant about watching him currently, or more specifically watch the opposition have no f-ing idea what to do with him. He is insane physically, and now playing with great composure to go with it. If he could finish he'd be the total package! Insane turnaround. Long may this form continue.

If he could shoot properly, RM and Barca reps will be queing up outside Levy's office.
 
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