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tooey

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I reckon he's closer to Eriksen than you wanna admit :) And he's just as good on the ball as Eriksen - when he is focused. Dele's also good an excellent eye for defense splitting passes. But, yes, he may lack the constinecy but then he's never really been given a chance of doing so as Eriksen, rightly so, made the play maker spot his own. Thing is I reckond Dele's better in MF than as a WF/striker as he lacks the pace to take defenders on whereas in MF he can use his skills better.
I would like to have a pacey, technical WF like Nicola Pepe, Neres, Leon Bailey up front as Spurs really lack pace and trickery.
By the way, Eriksen's also been a bit turgid this season.

The bits in bold I absolutely agree with. The rest, in my opinion, is absolute rubbish.
 

Dharmabum

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The bits in bold I absolutely agree with. The rest, in my opinion, is absolute rubbish.

If you don't think Dele's got as good ball skills as Eriksen then I wonder if you've seen him play? He dribbles better than Eriksen and is better at holding players off the ball (Eriksen get easier knocked off the ball then Dele).
You also rubbished my claim that he's not pacey :cool: Maybe we have different opinions of what pacey is then...
If you reckon Nicola Pepe and David Neres are rubbish players I doubt you have much knowledge of football.
 

wpmcg

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Because Eriksen is looking for the killer ball all the time his stats are not as good as they could be. His isn't always the final ball so assists aren't everything. Just watch what his teamates do when we're in trouble....they look for him to have the ball. Dele could become as good but he's not there yet. The occasional quality goal hides a lot.
 

Scissors&Tape

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I don't know how anyone can question Dele's skill and intelligence when it was a Dele pass that sprung Son for his insane run against Chelsea, a beautiful turn and pass for Eriksen to score the winner against Inter, and another perfect touch and pass for Lucas to score his winner against Ajax. All required split-second thinking and skill of the highest order.
 

punkisback

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I don't know how anyone can question Dele's skill and intelligence when it was a Dele pass that sprung Son for his insane run against Chelsea, a beautiful turn and pass for Eriksen to score the winner against Inter, and another perfect touch and pass for Lucas to score his winner against Ajax. All required split-second thinking and skill of the highest order.
No one is questioning that. Final ball vision is a rare trait to have as is dictating tempo from deep and playmaking. Eriksen has both in his locker. Can dele release the ball quickly in midfield to keep the play ticking or does the dwell to long on the ball only to be dispossessed. How many times have you seen Dele attempt a perfect cross field ball/switch the play? I would say in the midfield and attack only Kane and Eriksen can play those balls. I think this is another factor where we can improve we would be able to hit teams so much quicker but most times we use the midfield pivot to switch play and take a few too many passes. They’re both good players in there own right. But Eriksen can do what Dele does, Dele can’t do the deep lying work that Eriksen can. Anyway this should be in the Dele thread.
 

tooey

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If you don't think Dele's got as good ball skills as Eriksen then I wonder if you've seen him play? He dribbles better than Eriksen and is better at holding players off the ball (Eriksen get easier knocked off the ball then Dele).
You also rubbished my claim that he's not pacey :cool: Maybe we have different opinions of what pacey is then...
If you reckon Nicola Pepe and David Neres are rubbish players I doubt you have much knowledge of football.

With all due respect, you're off your head. If you genuinely believe that Alli is a technically superior player to Eriksen then we are miles apart in either our understanding of technique or our perception.

Anyway this is the Lucas thread so I'm going to leave it there.
 

karennina

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Don't think Dele is actually interested enough in the situation that far back in midfield to be creative there. Mason looked much more purposeful.
 

Indisguise

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Whaaat? That’s not just airbrushed, it’s a full-blown cartoon! I don’t think a camera was involved in that at all. It’s a still from Pocahontas or something.
There are lots of pictures of her on the net and her skin is scarily flawless in all of them. Can they all be airbrushed?
 

si_yidarmy

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He's nothing like Eriksen. Whilst he has the ability to spot a pass and execute on occasion he's far too sloppy on the ball and doesn't have the intelligence of Eriksen to orchestrate our attack.

Dele was good in that second half of the semi but had been turgid in the weeks leading up to it.
Having said that (and I agree with you) - Dele is still learning and will definitely improve in those areas. Just needs to have a season of no injuries!
 

Dharmabum

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Because Eriksen is looking for the killer ball all the time his stats are not as good as they could be. His isn't always the final ball so assists aren't everything. Just watch what his teamates do when we're in trouble....they look for him to have the ball. Dele could become as good but he's not there yet. The occasional quality goal hides a lot.

Very true. Dele's not developed the skill do dictate the game like Eriksen have (but he's basically played his whole senior career as one). Interestingly though, Liverpool outplayed Barca without having a typical play-maker...
However - without comparing him to Eriksen's play making skills - Dembele did not get away with no "seeing" the killer ball yet his (Spurs) team-mates also often looked for him as well when in trouble as he rarely gave the ball away.
 

The General

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I’m gonna say yes, but obviously I don’t know. I’ve got to the point where I don’t trust anything online. Old fucker, me...

I sit in the West Stand lower in line with edge of penalty area by the south stand, where the players families (and occasionally the injured players) sit. I’ve seen her a few times and wasn’t wowed by her beauty, but that’s not to say she isn’t an attractive lady. To be honest I wasn’t paying her much attention because I was too busy staring at Erik Lamela!
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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I reckon he's closer to Eriksen than you wanna admit :) And he's just as good on the ball as Eriksen - when he is focused. Dele's also good an excellent eye for defense splitting passes. But, yes, he may lack the constinecy but then he's never really been given a chance of doing so as Eriksen, rightly so, made the play maker spot his own. Thing is I reckond Dele's better in MF than as a WF/striker as he lacks the pace to take defenders on whereas in MF he can use his skills better.
I would like to have a pacey, technical WF like Nicola Pepe, Neres, Leon Bailey up front as Spurs really lack pace and trickery.
By the way, Eriksen's also been a bit turgid this season.


This is pretty simple really. They're nothing alike at all.

Eriksen is a thinker, an intelligent player who sees things before they've unfolded, he's always thinking.

Alli is an instinctive player, he's best when he doesn't need to think, it's all pure natural talent with him. That's why he's at his best when he's in and around the box. He doesn't have time to asses anything, he just does what comes naturally & he's fucking good at it. That ability to just arrive at exactly the right time, in exactly the right place. It can't be coached.

You take Alli into Eriksen's position and you're asking him to not do what he's best at. It's really not at all that long ago that the whole country was talking about the Kane/Alli partnership. Let the boy attack.
 

Dharmabum

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This is pretty simple really. They're nothing alike at all.

Eriksen is a thinker, an intelligent player who sees things before they've unfolded, he's always thinking.

Alli is an instinctive player, he's best when he doesn't need to think, it's all pure natural talent with him. That's why he's at his best when he's in and around the box. He doesn't have time to asses anything, he just does what comes naturally & he's fucking good at it. That ability to just arrive at exactly the right time, in exactly the right place. It can't be coached.

You take Alli into Eriksen's position and you're asking him to not do what he's best at. It's really not at all that long ago that the whole country was talking about the Kane/Alli partnership. Let the boy attack.
This is pretty simple really. They're nothing alike at all.

Eriksen is a thinker, an intelligent player who sees things before they've unfolded, he's always thinking.

Alli is an instinctive player, he's best when he doesn't need to think, it's all pure natural talent with him. That's why he's at his best when he's in and around the box. He doesn't have time to asses anything, he just does what comes naturally & he's fucking good at it. That ability to just arrive at exactly the right time, in exactly the right place. It can't be coached.

You take Alli into Eriksen's position and you're asking him to not do what he's best at. It's really not at all that long ago that the whole country was talking about the Kane/Alli partnership. Let the boy attack.

Dele's an attacking minded player no doubt but although he may not possess the playmaking skills of Eriksen don't forget the he made his name as CM; he even played as a DM early in his career - when Spurs spotted his talent at Dons. I am pretty convinced he'd do well as an OM if given the chance.
Anyway, I'll leave that to Pochettino...
PS! I forgot that this is a Luca Moura thread
 
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