Player watch: Josh Onomah

[Hakkz]

As a german club I would concentrate my scouting on those english talents, stuck at City, Chelsea, and so on.... they never get a chance there and those clubs are open to sell abroad for a relatively small fee (e.g. Sancho) and the best thing is, if they are a success english clubs will offer huge money to get them back to the PL

Exactly. Those clubs (especially City) have focused on hoovering up talent and now they can steal them because they actually want to play football (who knew?!).

 

[worcestersauce]

Exactly. Those clubs (especially City) have focused on hoovering up talent and now they can steal them because they actually want to play football (who knew?!).

Especially City? So you think it doesn't apply to Chelsea as much then?
Personally I believe it looks more and more like Josh's future lies elsewhere.

 

[wrd]

I'm still wondering if we don't sign who we need whether there's a slither he will be recalled.

 

[IGSpur]

Not saying they are bad, but as people have pointed out it's only Sancho that has left a mark in the Bundesliga.

At this point in time I think it's easier to lure English players away on frees or low bids with their clubs happy to see them leave for a club outside England than it is to get prospects from other German clubs.

Nelson was handed the no.9 shirt and at 19 has 6 goals and an assist in 13 apps or 490 Bundeliga minutes so a goal every 80odd mins.

Lookman got 5 goals and 4 assists in 574 minutes and then got recalled and stuck on Everton's bench. When the measure of success for academy players is, having to be a Sancho it's no wonder we struggle to ever see the value in them, while continuing to sign players from abroad that can't even come close to the stats those 3 are putting up.

 

[Hakkz]

Nelson was handed the no.9 shirt and at 19 has 6 goals and an assist in 13 apps or 490 Bundeliga minutes so a goal every 80odd mins.

Lookman got 5 goals and 4 assists in 574 minutes and then got recalled and stuck on Everton's bench. When the measure of success for academy players is, having to be a Sancho it's no wonder we struggle to ever see the value in them, while continuing to sign players from abroad that can't even come close to the stats those 3 are putting up.

Reiss Nelson is on loan, so they didn't poach talent in the way I meant. Same with Lookman. They did very well, absolutely, but that's not "leaving a mark" imo.

I would say that the measure of success is very different when it comes to players from other clubs.

 

[SpursD22]

Probably won’t happen but if Bruce goes to Newcastle could he join him on loan or permanent? Bruce seems to rate him and they could lose Longstaff

 

[wrd]

Probably won’t happen but if Bruce goes to Newcastle could he join him on loan or permanent? Bruce seems to rate him and they could lose Longstaff

What's Onomah contract situation? is there a chance for another loan or is it now or never?

 

[SpursD22]

What's Onomah contract situation? is there a chance for another loan or is it now or never?

His contract ends in 2021 so we can still loan him out

 

[wrd]

His contract ends in 2021 so we can still loan him out

Don't know why logically but I haven't given up on Onomah yet, his quality during that world cup was terrific, he has languid style for sure but I feel there's quality there, if he can have a good loan without injury and work on some of the defensive aspect that'd be fantastic, I'd like to see him go on tour with us first. He hasn't done well on loans there's no getting away from it and the chances of him making it now when the likes of Skipp have now jumped up the queue are short but I'm still holding onto a slither of hope.

 

[spursfan77]

Don't know why logically but I haven't given up on Onomah yet, his quality during that world cup was terrific, he has languid style for sure but I feel there's quality there, if he can have a good loan without injury and work on some of the defensive aspect that'd be fantastic, I'd like to see him go on tour with us first. He hasn't done well on loans there's no getting away from it and the chances of him making it now when the likes of Skipp have now jumped up the queue are short but I'm still holding onto a slither of hope.

I agree but lots are saying he hasn't kicked on since he was 17/18 and is pretty much the same player now as he was then. Still plenty of time for him to sort himself out though isn't there

 

['O Zio]

Haven't seen anything of him while he's been off. Is he still getting stuck out on the wing rather than playing in his natural position?

 

[double0]

The fire within Jose must be raging. How did Winks and Skipp jumped ahead of him from what we saw from the development phase, it could engage the beast of a player I for reason unknown believe is there regardless of the evident loans prior. Onomah has the talent certainly, the size no question, however the application and consistency to show it to Pochettinho now is where his at. I hope he goes on pre season fully fit with Edwards KWP Skipp and they all cement their labour.

 

[littlewilly]

The fire within Jose must be raging. How did Winks and Skipp jumped ahead of him from what we saw from the development phase, it could engage the beast of a player I for reason unknown believe is there regardless of the evident loans prior. Onomah has the talent certainly, the size no question, however the application and consistency to show it to Pochettinho now is where his at. I hope he goes on pre season fully fit with Edwards KWP Skipp and they all cement their labour.

Pardon?

 

[coys200]

The fire within Jose must be raging. How did Winks and Skipp jumped ahead of him from what we saw from the development phase, it could engage the beast of a player I for reason unknown believe is there regardless of the evident loans prior. Onomah has the talent certainly, the size no question, however the application and consistency to show it to Pochettinho now is where his at. I hope he goes on pre season fully fit with Edwards KWP Skipp and they all cement their labour.

Tbh your first sentence probably sums up his major issue. We’ve seen very little evidence of a fire raging.

 

[Japhet]

The fire within Jose must be raging. How did Winks and Skipp jumped ahead of him from what we saw from the development phase, it could engage the beast of a player I for reason unknown believe is there regardless of the evident loans prior. Onomah has the talent certainly, the size no question, however the application and consistency to show it to Pochettinho now is where his at. I hope he goes on pre season fully fit with Edwards KWP Skipp and they all cement their labour.

Sounds like it was Google translated from Lithuanian.

 

[BENNO]

Fwiw i watched quite a lot of Josh when he first broke through,his good England games and some of his poor loan spells. Always looked to have what it took skill wise and physique wise, but i only ever saw the necessary drive from him when in an England shirt. Might well put that down to being more confident with his own age group,thus feeling he could express himself more on the pitch perhaps ?

England apart, he's appeared to lack the drive and energy of Winks or Skipp whenever i've seen him (and in one loan spell, at Birmingham i think, he looked to have downed tools which was hugely disappointing).

You've got to grab your chance at the top level, be brave and have the strength of character to demand the ball, to try the harder pass occasionally, to make that forward burst, but he didn't seem to have the hunger to do it - although that might well be harsh and maybe he was just a quiet, timid type of character ? Either way, no good on a football pitch unfortunately.

 

[littlewilly]

Sounds like it was Google translated from Lithuanian.

@coys200 seems to speak the same language.

 

[Japhet]

Fwiw i watched quite a lot of Josh when he first broke through,his good England games and some of his poor loan spells. Always looked to have what it took skill wise and physique wise, but i only ever saw the necessary drive from him when in an England shirt. Might well put that down to being more confident with his own age group,thus feeling he could express himself more on the pitch perhaps ?

England apart, he's appeared to lack the drive and energy of Winks or Skipp whenever i've seen him (and in one loan spell, at Birmingham i think, he looked to have downed tools which was hugely disappointing).

You've got to grab your chance at the top level, be brave and have the strength of character to demand the ball, to try the harder pass occasionally, to make that forward burst, but he didn't seem to have the hunger to do it - although that might well be harsh and maybe he was just a quiet, timid type of character ? Either way, no good on a football pitch unfortunately.

I think part of the problem with loans is that players can often look bad when they are following instructions from certain managers. Maybe Onomah was just doing what he was told by Steve Bruce. If you really want an objective assessment of a player, it's much better to push them up to, and beyond their limit to find out what they're really capable of, and I'm not sure Onomah was ever given that opportunity. Certainly at Spurs he never played in his proper position.

 

[BENNO]

I think part of the problem with loans is that players can often look bad when they are following instructions from certain managers. Maybe Onomah was just doing what he was told by Steve Bruce. If you really want an objective assessment of a player, it's much better to push them up to, and beyond their limit to find out what they're really capable of, and I'm not sure Onomah was ever given that opportunity. Certainly at Spurs he never played in his proper position.

Yep, thats fair. Feel sorry for the lad, had he come through a year or two later, and had more time in training under Poch things could look very different. Was hoping the move to Sheffield with Bruce with kick start things but now that looks like going pear shaped.

 

[Japhet]

Yep, thats fair. Feel sorry for the lad, had he come through a year or two later, and had more time in training under Poch things could look very different. Was hoping the move to Sheffield with Bruce with kick start things but now that looks like going pear shaped.

I don't think Bruce was ever the right manager for him but, unfortunately, they seemed to follow each other around through a strange set of circumstances.