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Player watch: Josh Onomah

rabbikeane

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Think it's worth remembering how Peterborough and Bristol City fans thought Danny Rose was the worst player they had seen and that they said he'd never make it at Spurs or in the Premier League. How he had a bad attitude, never put in the effort, didn't want to be at that club - feeling he belonged at a higher level, just strolling around. Reading Villa forum about Onomah is almost copy+paste posts of what I read about Rose back then.
 

IGSpur

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Onomah is class! Simple as!

We need to be bold enough to play him in his preferred position (CM). Like we were bold in spending 30m on Sissoko, and playing him there. I know who is the better player to me. Winks is a Stevie Perryman type player in some ways, SP was one of my favourites. Perryman functioned brilliantly because of the more creative players around him.

Before Josh signed up for us, I can assure you chavs, citeh, yanited, Dortmund for starters were extremely keen, courting him. Pep rates him as one of the best youngsters in our game. How do i know that? One of my footballing connections.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCTransTweet/status/949722318963724288

Interesting thread they really really don’t rate him. After 40 appearances with us and now this at Villa. Whatever he may have shown at the World Cup or on training pitch. When it matters he really hasn’t shone in over 60 appearances in club football. Unless something drastic happens next season I think he will be on his way.

I know its only twitter but the general theme is that he doesnt work hard enough, track back or put himself about...all of those traits are required in a Pochettino team, going to be a big year for Josh...make or break with us id say. Good luck to the lad really hope he makes it.

Villa talk was full of posts saying the same thing, it didn't make for pleasant reading.

As @tiger666 posted earlier read Foxesalks' views on Kane. I've taken one post from it

"Aside from the fact that he's played hideously out of position (why do we persist with him on the wing?), I get the impression that he just doesn't care. He's got nothing to prove, it makes no difference to him where we finish and it shows. He doesn't put his foot in at all, and I'd be tempted to send him back now. I'm sick of seeing him stuck out on the wing, as pointed out above he's started up front once and scored. If we're going to play him it's got to be up top."

Change that last line to "when he's started in CM and played excellently, we said we would blow our budget on him when played there. If we're going to play him it's got to be up top"

That whole paragraph about Kane is the exact thing said about Onomah. Now everyone has seen Kane it seems ridiculous but that is what Leicester fans thought. He doesn't care, he doesn't try, why is he being played out of position. A Spurs fan back then reading that forum could easily post, what if it is just Kane's fault, there's got to be a reason they're not playing him up front. Everyone claims he is a striker, but there's got to be a reason he isn't trust there maybe he's just not as good as some of you think.

I think after that loan AVB would play LW too and I actually thought Kane did OK, so maybe the same can happen for Onomah, but seriously be caerful when reading the fans view on a loan player. Unless they're tearing it up, like Pritchard, they will be very critical. Even having average games will be frowned upon
 

IGSpur

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Who are the players who left with zero chances (Pritchard presumably and? Who is the world class one?), who are the other three? Just interested in your opinion.

Veljkvoic and Pritchard.
Kane is World Class and the other 3 are Onomah, KWP and Edwards. I was going to only say 5 but had to extend it for the last 2.
There are some in the academy now that could increase the number further, but I'll wait until I see them play at u23s first
 

bubble07

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Think it's worth remembering how Peterborough and Bristol City fans thought Danny Rose was the worst player they had seen and that they said he'd never make it at Spurs or in the Premier League. How he had a bad attitude, never put in the effort, didn't want to be at that club - feeling he belonged at a higher level, just strolling around. Reading Villa forum about Onomah is almost copy+paste posts of what I read about Rose back then.

So hopefully we have another 50m player on our books
 

IGSpur

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Think it's worth remembering how Peterborough and Bristol City fans thought Danny Rose was the worst player they had seen and that they said he'd never make it at Spurs or in the Premier League. How he had a bad attitude, never put in the effort, didn't want to be at that club - feeling he belonged at a higher level, just strolling around. Reading Villa forum about Onomah is almost copy+paste posts of what I read about Rose back then.

So our 2 academy players that ended up being the best player in their positions Kane and Rose, were both accused of being lazy, not caring, and never making it in the Prem. Loans are only used to gain experience guys, it is not a necessarily a reflection of how good they are or will be. Also the players you are playing with can affect you if you are not on their level. I remember also Livermore had terrible reviews at Derby, he's a Prem player now, Carroll, had bad reviews at Derby, he's a Prem player now.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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So our 2 academy players that ended up being the best player in their positions Kane and Rose, were both accused of being lazy, not caring, and never making it in the Prem. Loans are only used to gain experience guys, it is not a necessarily a reflection of how good they are or will be. Also the players you are playing with can affect you if you are not on their level. I remember also Livermore had terrible reviews at Derby, he's a Prem player now, Carroll, had bad reviews at Derby, he's a Prem player now.
They didnt think much of Kane at Leicester either.
 

coys200

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This is how I see josh situation at spurs. Dembele is on the decline. However imo there’s no way we will go into next season with winks/Onomah as our main creative CM options. Which means it’s 95% that we will buy a brand new shiny CM. Which means josh goes to 3 in pecking order and that’s assuming we sell dembele. If we don’t josh is 4 and remember that’s 4th option for 1 position alongside wanyama/Dier. That’s not even taking into account TOB Skipp Paris Maghoma. For me Onomah only chance would be to come back now. Massively impress to end of season, so much so that we don’t feel need to buy a new CM. Imo if we buy a top quality CM I just can’t see a pathway for him.
 

rabbikeane

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Wouldn't mind him being out on loan for a couple of years, make a name for himself. But I reckon his laid back attitude at Villa mean he should be at a higher level and at a more profiled club (Villa's big, but that doesn't matter much when it's in the Championship). Wonder if a Bundesliga side or even Ajax would take him.
Christensen at Chelsea looks excellent after taking that path. With youth coming through (Onomah, TOB, Skipp) it would also make sense to sign a veteran midfielder in stead of potential. Bringing Luka Modric back would make so much sense, he could teach our players a lot, especially Winks.
 

fridgemagnet

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I haven't read all 73 pages, i like Onomah but i always thought he needed to bulk up a bit or he'd get played out wide.

I wasn't that keen on him going to Villa when that parasite John Terry joined them.

I'd rather he came back bulked up and played when Dembele isn't fit (which is far too often)

Kane was rarely played in the right position out on loan and slated by fans of those clubs, all he can do is work keep working hard and take his chance when he comes back.
 

chinaman

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It may be a good thing if Kane can organise a talk with our nearly guys in the Academy, barring all coaches and management, to encourage them to take a page out of him, staying back for extra training to round off the edges to their game. Perhaps even taking a few of them under his wings and make them train with him after the regulation sessions a couple of times a week.
 

Ossie85

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Wouldn't mind him being out on loan for a couple of years, make a name for himself. But I reckon his laid back attitude at Villa mean he should be at a higher level and at a more profiled club (Villa's big, but that doesn't matter much when it's in the Championship). Wonder if a Bundesliga side or even Ajax would take him.
Christensen at Chelsea looks excellent after taking that path. With youth coming through (Onomah, TOB, Skipp) it would also make sense to sign a veteran midfielder in stead of potential. Bringing Luka Modric back would make so much sense, he could teach our players a lot, especially Winks.
I don't think Ajax takes players on loan. They prefer to put their own youth
 

Spurrific

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I don't think Ajax takes players on loan. They prefer to put their own youth

They had Bertrand Traore on loan last year and they've definitely had a few others. I reckon they'll only take players on loan that they think they can sign afterwards maybe, though that didn't work with Traore
 

MarkyP

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They had Bertrand Traore on loan last year and they've definitely had a few others. I reckon they'll only take players on loan that they think they can sign afterwards maybe, though that didn't work with Traore

Yep, and they also have two very promising players of their own in Van Der Beek and De Jong that play CM for them, so doubt they would be interested in shunting one of those players out of the team to make room...
 

Adam456

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I completely accept that Villa and Steve Bruce may not be the best destination but if we are to believe that he is of a significantly higher level then he should be able to prove it, even played out if best position

If Villa is not working out then recall and send somewhere better. Maybe a low prem team. No point bringing him back because he simply won't get game time
 

dontcallme

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I completely accept that Villa and Steve Bruce may not be the best destination but if we are to believe that he is of a significantly higher level then he should be able to prove it, even played out if best position

If Villa is not working out then recall and send somewhere better. Maybe a low prem team. No point bringing him back because he simply won't get game time

But I think this is why loans are a poor way to judge players.

When we buy a player there is usually a general acceptance that the first year is a settling in period and performances won't be top quality or consistent.

But when a young player goes on loan he is judged harshly despite being at a new club and often being the first time he has played regularly as a professional.

I have no idea how developed Onomah is or if he is ready to be a squad member for us. But I won't be judging him on a loan spell.
 

Johnny J

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...if we are to believe that he is of a significantly higher level then he should be able to prove it, even played out if best position.
I respectfully disagree with this part of your post. Surely it's completely feasible that he is not at a significantly higher level in a different position. I'm sure if you played Kane in Villa's midfield right now he wouldn't look world class or anywhere near it.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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I completely accept that Villa and Steve Bruce may not be the best destination but if we are to believe that he is of a significantly higher level then he should be able to prove it, even played out if best position

If Villa is not working out then recall and send somewhere better. Maybe a low prem team. No point bringing him back because he simply won't get game time
I don't think a different loan is really an option at this point. Certainly not to a lower level Prem team. I don't think he has the time to earn a manager's confidence to get into a squad facing relegation.

I think the options are - likely - stick with Villa, or - less likely - come back to Spurs.
 
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