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Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

JCRD

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A De Gea performance today

Also some of the shots were tame and were saveable im going to go with what others said about De Geas performance against us - his positioning was top notch
 

ralvy

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His performance today was as good as most of his other performances from this season, it's just that today he also saved a penalty.
 

AnotherSpursFan

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Lloris made a save reminiscent of the one in World Cup semi final. What an epic and crucial save!

Media favourite Degea would have let that one in 9 out of 10 times.
 

ralvy

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Lloris made a save reminiscent of the one in World Cup semi final. What an epic and crucial save!

Media favourite Degea would have let that one in 9 out of 10 times.

But still, De Gea is clearly the best keeper amongst the two of them because, well, reasons, you know?
 

spurs4europe

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This is a BBC article comparing De Gea and Alisson. While they argue DDG has performed better interestingly it is Hugo who has the best goalkeeping stats this season, with a better save and expected goals ratio. Well done Hugo!

"Only France and Tottenham captain Hugo Lloris has a better save percentage ratio (78%) than Alisson's 77%, with De Gea the next best on 73%

This season, the United keeper has faced 36 efforts that should have brought goals, conceding 33 times.

Alisson has faced 20 efforts of that quality, conceding 15 goals. Tottenham's Hugo Lloris is the only keeper with a better ratio, saving eight certain goals."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46839757
 

southlondonyiddo

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This is a BBC article comparing De Gea and Alisson. While they argue DDG has performed better interestingly it is Hugo who has the best goalkeeping stats this season, with a better save and expected goals ratio. Well done Hugo!

"Only France and Tottenham captain Hugo Lloris has a better save percentage ratio (78%) than Alisson's 77%, with De Gea the next best on 73%

This season, the United keeper has faced 36 efforts that should have brought goals, conceding 33 times.

Alisson has faced 20 efforts of that quality, conceding 15 goals. Tottenham's Hugo Lloris is the only keeper with a better ratio, saving eight certain goals."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46839757

Would love to know how you save a certain goal

Got to love the stat brigade, NOT
 

Chimbo!

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This is a BBC article comparing De Gea and Alisson. While they argue DDG has performed better interestingly it is Hugo who has the best goalkeeping stats this season, with a better save and expected goals ratio. Well done Hugo!

"Only France and Tottenham captain Hugo Lloris has a better save percentage ratio (78%) than Alisson's 77%, with De Gea the next best on 73%

This season, the United keeper has faced 36 efforts that should have brought goals, conceding 33 times.

Alisson has faced 20 efforts of that quality, conceding 15 goals. Tottenham's Hugo Lloris is the only keeper with a better ratio, saving eight certain goals."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46839757

And here's the Telegraph's take: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...g-six-goalkeeper-analysis-hugo-lloris-making/

It's interesting how our perception and the reality don't meet. It raises a question about whether there is a flaw in the data or a flaw in our thinking. It's more likely both but I think this data raises serious questions about how we judge goalkeepers.

The data has a gap because it doesn't account for a goalkeeper's positioning, which is also important. But then again I'm unsure if a goalkeeper's positioning would help here. You could argue that positioning is part of the save.

However, perception is often flawed because of confirmation bias. I think people are surprised because they latch on to errors by Lloris to support a thesis that he's prone to errors and not as good as De Gea or Allisson. If those goalkeepers make a mistake, it's described as uncharacteristic.

I think the data shows a fundamental problem in our perception of goalkeepers. Lloris not only has the best shot-save ration, he has prevented the most expected goals. Ask anyone what makes the best goalkeeper and those are the first metrics they would point to. It's an emphatic statistic that completely contradicts what pundits and fans on this site think.

According to the Telegraph: "In wins over Cardiff, West Ham, Fulham, Leicester and Crystal Palace, Lloris has been the difference between three points and one - in xGoT terms, at least." That's 10 points. It means Lloris is the difference between 3rd and 6th.

*I should note that I'm not saying Lloris is better than De Gea, for example. But I think people should reconsider their criticisms of Lloris because those beliefs may be overly reliant on a few isolated events and ignore the bigger picture.
 

carmeldevil

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lloris-saves.jpg
 

yankspurs

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And here's the Telegraph's take: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...g-six-goalkeeper-analysis-hugo-lloris-making/

It's interesting how our perception and the reality don't meet. It raises a question about whether there is a flaw in the data or a flaw in our thinking. It's more likely both but I think this data raises serious questions about how we judge goalkeepers.

The data has a gap because it doesn't account for a goalkeeper's positioning, which is also important. But then again I'm unsure if a goalkeeper's positioning would help here. You could argue that positioning is part of the save.

However, perception is often flawed because of confirmation bias. I think people are surprised because they latch on to errors by Lloris to support a thesis that he's prone to errors and not as good as De Gea or Allisson. If those goalkeepers make a mistake, it's described as uncharacteristic.

I think the data shows a fundamental problem in our perception of goalkeepers. Lloris not only has the best shot-save ration, he has prevented the most expected goals. Ask anyone what makes the best goalkeeper and those are the first metrics they would point to. It's an emphatic statistic that completely contradicts what pundits and fans on this site think.

According to the Telegraph: "In wins over Cardiff, West Ham, Fulham, Leicester and Crystal Palace, Lloris has been the difference between three points and one - in xGoT terms, at least." That's 10 points. It means Lloris is the difference between 3rd and 6th.

*I should note that I'm not saying Lloris is better than De Gea, for example. But I think people should reconsider their criticisms of Lloris because those beliefs may be overly reliant on a few isolated events and ignore the bigger picture.
Lloris is better than Allison. Far better. If Liverpool were without VVD for a few games, it would be noticeable
 
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southlondonyiddo

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Lloris is better than Allison. Far better. If Liverpool were without VVD for a few games, it would be noticeable

Allison is clearly a fantastic goalkeeper as is Hugo

Are there stats for goalkeeping mistakes. Small, medium & large ones!!! These are as important to see as the 'Worldies' etc
 

ralvy

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And here's the Telegraph's take: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...g-six-goalkeeper-analysis-hugo-lloris-making/

It's interesting how our perception and the reality don't meet. It raises a question about whether there is a flaw in the data or a flaw in our thinking. It's more likely both but I think this data raises serious questions about how we judge goalkeepers.

The data has a gap because it doesn't account for a goalkeeper's positioning, which is also important. But then again I'm unsure if a goalkeeper's positioning would help here. You could argue that positioning is part of the save.

However, perception is often flawed because of confirmation bias. I think people are surprised because they latch on to errors by Lloris to support a thesis that he's prone to errors and not as good as De Gea or Allisson. If those goalkeepers make a mistake, it's described as uncharacteristic.

I think the data shows a fundamental problem in our perception of goalkeepers. Lloris not only has the best shot-save ration, he has prevented the most expected goals. Ask anyone what makes the best goalkeeper and those are the first metrics they would point to. It's an emphatic statistic that completely contradicts what pundits and fans on this site think.

According to the Telegraph: "In wins over Cardiff, West Ham, Fulham, Leicester and Crystal Palace, Lloris has been the difference between three points and one - in xGoT terms, at least." That's 10 points. It means Lloris is the difference between 3rd and 6th.

*I should note that I'm not saying Lloris is better than De Gea, for example. But I think people should reconsider their criticisms of Lloris because those beliefs may be overly reliant on a few isolated events and ignore the bigger picture.


What exactly do you mean by our perception? Some of us have been going non stop on this thread about what an amazing goalkeeper Hugo Lloris is and how he's probably the best goalkeeper in the premier league and one of the world's very best?

It's unfair to paint the whole SC community with the same brush just because some fans here can't help themselves from irrationally hating on our captain and perhaps our most important player.
 

JCRD

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Ive stopped short of sucking his cock but he is an exceptional keeper. Keepers make game changing saves, he did that for example against Dortmund just before half time.

Yeah he fucks up but generally, and this is my view, its because he takes risks which is natural with a high line.

Hugooooooooooo is the very very very least of our problems and as a captain you can tell he still gets respect from his teams regardless of his law issues and mistakes in front of goal.
 
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