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Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

AnotherSpursFan

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Great save for the penalty but he did the bloody 'push the ball right into danger' again but this time the Toby was a yard further away than at Liverpool so cleared it, is he low on confidence with his handling? That punch at the end could have gone another way as well.

Kicking was better too.

Your favourite son Ederson couldnt even parry Son's shot straight at him. According to you all, he commited the cardinal sin of letting the ball go in under his legs. Still think he is good?
 

shoggy33

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Here we go again, Lloris has a good game and suddenly he's one of the world's best again. We all know he's capable of great saves, but it doesn't magically erase the many, many errors he's been making. If he continues that form until the end of the season then perhaps the 'trolls' will accept he's still got it, but as it is I anticipate at least one more big error before the season is out. Would love to be proven wrong.
 
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Shadydan

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Here we go again, Lloris has a good game and suddenly he's one of the world's best again. We all know he's capable of great saves, but it doesn't magically erase the many, many errors he's been making. If he continues that form until the end of the season then perhaps the 'trolls' will accept he's still got it, but as it is I anticipate at least one more big error before the season is out. Would love to be proven wrong.

It's actually better if people bothered to balance their opinions and don't over exaggerate when he either pulls off a worldie or makes a mistake.
 

dude573

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nothing from Jermain bottler Jenas and No Clue Tim Sherword

Nothing against you personally, but I don't get why some Spurs fans use this type of language against JJ. He was a decent player for us and actually won a cup. His recent comments criticising Lloris joined the majority of our fans in doing so too.

Sherwood's time in charge was difficult, but him and Jenas both give us positive Spurs voices in the media against the continuous drones of Liverpool, Arsenal, United ex player pundits.

Anyway, not the thread for this so as you were!
 

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Here we go again, Lloris has a good game and suddenly he's one of the world's best again. We all know he's capable of great saves, but it doesn't magically erase the many, many errors he's been making. If he continues that form until the end of the season then perhaps the 'trolls' will accept he's still got it, but as it is I anticipate at least one more big error before the season is out. Would love to be proven wrong.

Oh leave it out. He is one of the world’s best and only total eeeediots have been slagging him off. He’s the best ‘keeper we’ve had in a long time and we would have absolutely no hope of getting anybody in as good as him if he decided to up sticks.

No wonder our fans are so widely derided when we’ve got numbskulls suggesting Lloris isn't good enough. He is one of the world’s best, regardless of whether Dave from the local pub with a 46 inch waist thinks so. De Gea makes mistakes all the time, doesn’t mean he isn’t the best. Goalkeeper mistakes are just highlighted so much more.
 

shoggy33

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Oh leave it out. He is one of the world’s best and only total eeeediots have been slagging him off. He’s the best ‘keeper we’ve had in a long time and we would have absolutely no hope of getting anybody in as good as him if he decided to up sticks.

No wonder our fans are so widely derided when we’ve got numbskulls suggesting Lloris isn't good enough. He is one of the world’s best, regardless of whether Dave from the local pub with a 46 inch waist thinks so. De Gea makes mistakes all the time, doesn’t mean he isn’t the best. Goalkeeper mistakes are just highlighted so much more.

He WAS the best keeper we've had in a long time, but it's 2 years down the line and pretty much everyone bar a few die hard spurs fans can see he's an accident waiting to, and quite regularly happening. If he refinds his form then you're right, we won't find better. On this seasons form we could do much better.
 

Spurrific

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He WAS the best keeper we've had in a long time, but it's 2 years down the line and pretty much everyone bar a few die hard spurs fans can see he's an accident waiting to, and quite regularly happening. If he refinds his form then you're right, we won't find better. On this seasons form we could do much better.

No, we couldn't. Name one keeper and I bet you can find a catalogue of their errors somewhere online. It's not "pretty much everyone", it's just ungrateful people who don't know much about football if they think Lloris is an accident waiting to happen. It's almost always old bods harping back to the days where Pat Jennings was here and never conceded a goal in his life.
 

shoggy33

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No, we couldn't. Name one keeper and I bet you can find a catalogue of their errors somewhere online. It's not "pretty much everyone", it's just ungrateful people who don't know much about football if they think Lloris is an accident waiting to happen. It's almost always old bods harping back to the days where Pat Jennings was here and never conceded a goal in his life.

All keepers make mistakes, but not with the same regularity Lloris does. Off the top of my head this season he's directly cost us against Liverpool, Watford, PSV, United (along with Trippier), Barcelona. There may well be more. According to the stats (premierleague.com) he's made 16 mistakes leading to goals in the PL, the only currently active GKs who've made more are Begovic, Cech, and guess who.... Gomes. They have been around a lot longer as well. When you factor in that most of Hugo's mistakes have been in the last 2 years, whilst playing for a team who concede relatively few you see why some of us are concerned that he's lost his way. It's also the fact that Poch clearly wants us to play out from the back and Lloris simply isn't good enough wth his feet to do that. That's not his fault, a lot of keepers would struggle but if we are going to play that way we should find a keeper who is fits.

Anyway, will have to agree to disagree. Will always support him whilst he wears the shirt whatever my opinons.
 

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All keepers make mistakes, but not with the same regularity Lloris does. Off the top of my head this season he's directly cost us against Liverpool, Watford, PSV, United (along with Trippier), Barcelona. There may well be more. According to the stats (premierleague.com) he's made 16 mistakes leading to goals in the PL, the only currently active GKs who've made more are Begovic, Cech, and guess who.... Gomes. They have been around a lot longer as well. When you factor in that most of Hugo's mistakes have been in the last 2 years, whilst playing for a team who concede relatively few you see why some of us are concerned that he's lost his way. It's also the fact that Poch clearly wants us to play out from the back and Lloris simply isn't good enough wth his feet to do that. That's not his fault, a lot of keepers would struggle but if we are going to play that way we should find a keeper who is fits.

Anyway, will have to agree to disagree. Will always support him whilst he wears the shirt whatever my opinons.
Ahh good someone who uses stats, tell me why does this stats shows hes the best goalkeeper in the epl?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sk...errated-the-tottenham-captains-stats-stack-up
 

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Here we go again, Lloris has a good game and suddenly he's one of the world's best again. We all know he's capable of great saves, but it doesn't magically erase the many, many errors he's been making. If he continues that form until the end of the season then perhaps the 'trolls' will accept he's still got it, but as it is I anticipate at least one more big error before the season is out. Would love to be proven wrong.
Here we go again, Lloris has a bad game and suddenly he's terrible again. We all know hes capable of mistakes, but it doesn't magically erase the many, many game winning saves hes been making. If he continues his bad form until the end of the season perhaps the 'trolls' will accept hes lost it, but as it is I anticipate at least one more match winning moment before the season is out. Would love to be proved right.

Yeah that sounds ridiculous right? Because it is, it usually is when people speak in such extremes.
 

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I think Poch and his loyalty to Hugo is commendable and has helped Lloris overcome his mishaps, if Hugo is good enough for Poch, he is good enough for me.
 

shoggy33

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Ahh good someone who uses stats, tell me why does this stats shows hes the best goalkeeper in the epl?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sk...errated-the-tottenham-captains-stats-stack-up

It depends which stats you use. These stats he's a good shot stopper, which we already know, and that he's a good sweeper, which we already know. The stat I mentioned shows he makes a lot of mistakes, which was exactly the point I was trying to make in response to someone saying he doesn't make lots of mistakes. My opinion is based on watching us play over the last 2-3 seasons, and seeing an obvious decline in his performances. I would be genuinely delighted if he refinds his form and this thread falls silent aside from the odd 'told you so', I just don't see it happening.
 

shoggy33

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Here we go again, Lloris has a bad game and suddenly he's terrible again. We all know hes capable of mistakes, but it doesn't magically erase the many, many game winning saves hes been making. If he continues his bad form until the end of the season perhaps the 'trolls' will accept hes lost it, but as it is I anticipate at least one more match winning moment before the season is out. Would love to be proved right.

Yeah that sounds ridiculous right? Because it is, it usually is when people speak in such extremes.

What extremes?
 

AnotherSpursFan

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It depends which stats you use. These stats he's a good shot stopper, which we already know, and that he's a good sweeper, which we already know. The stat I mentioned shows he makes a lot of mistakes, which was exactly the point I was trying to make in response to someone saying he doesn't make lots of mistakes. My opinion is based on watching us play over the last 2-3 seasons, and seeing an obvious decline in his performances. I would be genuinely delighted if he refinds his form and this thread falls silent aside from the odd 'told you so', I just don't see it happening.

The article is dated 31 Mar 2019. I quote part of the article
"Despite his slip-up in the Champions League against Barcelona, according to Opta, Lloris has not made an error directly leading to a goal in the Premier League so far this season. Alisson has made three and so has Arsenal's Bernd Leno. De Gea has made a couple too."

Heres my question:
1. Do you agree Lloris is the best shot stopper and sweeper keeper in the EPL?
2. The article mentioned Lloris made no error directly leading to a goal in the EPL, why?
 

shoggy33

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The article is dated 31 Mar 2019. I quote part of the article
"Despite his slip-up in the Champions League against Barcelona, according to Opta, Lloris has not made an error directly leading to a goal in the Premier League so far this season. Alisson has made three and so has Arsenal's Bernd Leno. De Gea has made a couple too."

Heres my question:
1. Do you agree Lloris is the best shot stopper and sweeper keeper in the EPL?
2. The article mentioned Lloris made no error directly leading to a goal in the EPL, why?

1) No I don't believe he's the best shot stopper in the league, despite what this article says. I do believe he's good though. Do you? Not sure about sweeper, he may well be.
2) The article is wrong IMO, I would say his error Vs Watford at Wembley cost us a goal. He then cost us Vs Liverpool shortly after this article was written.

What do you make of the stat I mentioned that shows only Begovic, Cech and Gomez have made more mistakes leading to goals? (Dr Gea has made half as many as a reference point). Or shall we stop with this 'my stat is bigger than your stat' exchange and just accept we have a difference of opinion?
 

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I can't be arsed to argue the toss any more :D

What I will say is some of the 'errors' attributed to him are hilarious. Some are quite rightly laid at his feet but what usually happens when a scapegoat is selected is that standards are set impossibly high for them to allow for the ritual sacrificing at the altar. The slightest thing that can be seized upon, will be. It's laughable.

As for the stats game. Sky Sports last week produced one that suggested he'd made one error leading directly to a goal. The Liverpool one.

But on here? There's a list. A whole list, a catalogue of errors each leading to a goal. He's made "many, many" errors. It has to be perfection now. Its fucking laughable it really truly, cross my heart and dangle my old chap into a bowl of porridge is.

And there's me saying I can't be arsed to argue the toss :D
 

Gassin's finest

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Funnily enough, its not just Spurs fans that have this strange creativity when trying to criticise their goalkeeper...

https://www.football365.com/news/de-geas-becoming-a-liability-for-man-utd-apparently

De Gea’s done
This time last year the thought of David De Gea leaving United would have filled me with dread. His decline this season, epitimised by his weird little hop on the spot for Barca’s goal last night, has been rapid. It is hard to tell if he has lost focus, or drive, or the desire to constantly dig United out of the shit but he has definitely lost something. His concentration seems to be so bad that I could swear he wasn’t even looking at the ball last night when Suarez’s tame header came back across him.
United should sell him while his stock is still relatively high. I never thought I would ever advocate that but, as amazing as he has been over the years, he is becoming a liability and if it is linked to his contract negotiations, even on a sub-conscious level, he needs to go.
Mangor United, Belfast

Hmmmmm...
 
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