Harry Kane

[sausage]

I thought he looked good on Saturday. His all round game was good and he was taking on some more shots from distance. Our best attacks came from him being involved. He definitely gets better service with Alli and Eriksen around though.

Warnocks comments about him really annoyed me though. He's saying that Kane got him sent off. However it was a clear red card and Kane had every right to stick up for Moura there. I'd even go as far as to say if he didn't make a fuss over it the ref might have given a yellow which would have been the wrong call. So yes he did help get the player sent off but that was necessary, justice was served. Kane is like Batman.

If it helps, I don't think anyone sees Warnock as anything but a strange old testicle with a mouth. From what I've read, even the Cardiff fans see it as a red and Warnock as a bit of a gobshite.


Putting this here for context.

 

[thinktank]

I think he's dropping more for two reasons:

a) He can't press like he used to and is dropping in to let Sonny or Moura do some of that first-instance graft.

b) He's not able to pull away from the last man like he used to and nail lethal strikes fiercely pulling off the shoulder, so he's dropping to get better positions and get the jump on unsuspecting defenders off of 1-2s etc.

In short - he's adapting his game because he's not the same.

My prognosis: Kane has not, and will never, be the same player -- with that sharpness, edge and lethality -- because he came back too soon from his last major injury, insisting on playing (which made it two in the same place...ankle?) and now has to adapt his game to use the skills he has, sans the speed/sharpness he once displayed.

It's hard to accept, but I've felt for a long time now -- as older posts would attest -- that he pushed himself too hard/far and failed to listen to his body and heal 100%.

He'll still get goals for us (though I'm not sure he'll be as prolific), but expecting him to be Kane of old will leave you disappointed.

We have to get used to what his game now is.

 

[thinktank]

@nicdic what's your view on him now?

 

[nicdic]

@nicdic what's your view on him now?

That we're using him slightly differently because of a number of reasons. Initially because of wanting to make the most of Lucas' sharpness and protect Kane off the back of the World Cup, but now because of a lack of creative thinking in the middle and attacking third.

It's an issue when Kane is our best CM, AM, ST, WF in the starting XI.

With Eriksen, Alli, et al back and playing him as a ST again we'll see a return to the Kane we know and love.

 

[thinktank]

That we're using him slightly differently because of a number of reasons. Initially because of wanting to make the most of Lucas' sharpness and protect Kane off the back of the World Cup, but now because of a lack of creative thinking in the middle and attacking third.

It's an issue when Kane is our best CM, AM, ST, WF in the starting XI.

With Eriksen, Alli, et al back and playing him as a ST again we'll see a return to the Kane we know and love.

Wut?

Also, I think you're going to be very disappointed if you think you're going to see Kane of old again.

I hope to god I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

Would love 'blistering Kane' back.

 

[theShiznit]

Wut?

Also, I think you're going to be very disappointed if you think you're going to see Kane of old again.

I hope to god I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

Would love 'blistering Kane' back.

Sorry but an ankle injury (if you've recovered enough to play on it) doesn't affect your pace.

He is dropping deep to accommodate Moura IMO.

I don't think he works in a front 3 with Son and Moura, who for all their speed are not the cleverest in terms of creativity and passing.

I thought his best performance for a while (for us and England) was against Brighton for the latter stages when we had Alli and Lamela in behind him.

I still think there is a question mark over his sharpness but up top on his own with an AM or 2 behind him is clearly where his strength still is.

 

[bomberH]

Wut?

Also, I think you're going to be very disappointed if you think you're going to see Kane of old again.

I hope to god I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

Would love 'blistering Kane' back.

I don’t think Kane was ever that fast or dynamic as such, he just seemed like that because he was playing with Adebayor, who would make a corpse seem dynamic. He was a breath of fresh air and he used to chase lost causes all the time for the first year or two and although fans love to see that, he rarely does that now because he knows he has to save his energy for various moments throughout a match/season. He’s been like that for around 18 months now in my opinion, his game now is not new to me. He has poor games of course and his confidence suffers as a result sometimes (lack of shots in a game - though tactics often play a part too).

He’s also bulked up quite a bit, which has probably had some affect on what pace he did have and his style of play. I think the biggest change is that we’ve tried to fit Lucas in and although Lucas has had some very good games individually, I think it’s affecting Kane’s game a bit and also the way we have played as a team.

The bottom line for me is that if this is the ‘new’ Kane, then I don’t mind because he’s scoring just as regularly as ever even though he’s been through a poor patch. I also think he’s coming back to form over the last 3 games and I wish he’d not been called up for England again because the main thing he needs is a rest. We have 7 games in 22 days from 20th and we need to use him correctly, a 2 week break beforehand would’ve been lovely.

 

[alfie103]

I think he's dropping more for two reasons:

a) He can't press like he used to and is dropping in to let Sonny or Moura do some of that first-instance graft.

b) He's not able to pull away from the last man like he used to and nail lethal strikes fiercely pulling off the shoulder, so he's dropping to get better positions and get the jump on unsuspecting defenders off of 1-2s etc.

In short - he's adapting his game because he's not the same.

My prognosis: Kane has not, and will never, be the same player -- with that sharpness, edge and lethality -- because he came back too soon from his last major injury, insisting on playing (which made it two in the same place...ankle?) and now has to adapt his game to use the skills he has, sans the speed/sharpness he once displayed.

It's hard to accept, but I've felt for a long time now -- as older posts would attest -- that he pushed himself too hard/far and failed to listen to his body and heal 100%.

He'll still get goals for us (though I'm not sure he'll be as prolific), but expecting him to be Kane of old will leave you disappointed.

We have to get used to what his game now is.

What medical information have you based your prognosis on?

 

[thinktank]

I don’t think Kane was ever that fast or dynamic as such, he just seemed like that because he was playing with Adebayor, who would make a corpse seem dynamic. He was a breath of fresh air and he used to chase lost causes all the time for the first year or two and although fans love to see that, he rarely does that now because he knows he has to save his energy for various moments throughout a match/season. He’s been like that for around 18 months now in my opinion, his game now is not new to me. He has poor games of course and his confidence suffers as a result sometimes (lack of shots in a game - though tactics often play a part too).

He’s also bulked up quite a bit, which has probably had some affect on what pace he did have and his style of play. I think the biggest change is that we’ve tried to fit Lucas in and although Lucas has had some very good games individually, I think it’s affecting Kane’s game a bit and also the way we have played as a team.

The bottom line for me is that if this is the ‘new’ Kane, then I don’t mind because he’s scoring just as regularly as ever even though he’s been through a poor patch. I also think he’s coming back to form over the last 3 games and I wish he’d not been called up for England again because the main thing he needs is a rest. We have 7 games in 22 days from 20th and we need to use him correctly, a 2 week break beforehand would’ve been lovely.

He had power and drive off the shoulder that he just doesn't have anymore, bom.

He was faster than he is now...no doubt at all in my mind.

I think if people go and look at his goals collection vids it'll become more apparent what's been missing.

Not sure he'll get his usual batch of goals, and I think we'll continue to see his game morph.

Naturally, I hope you're all right and he manges to come back to full, lethal Kane, absolutely firing on all cylinders.

Would be delighted.

Struggling to see it, though.

 

[thinktank]

What medical information have you based your prognosis on?

 

[alfie103]

What have you based your forecast on? Are you a doctor?

 

[thinktank]

What have you based your forecast on? Are you a doctor?

My prediction is based on him having two major injuries in the same place, coming back - far too early in my view - and not being the same player.

Information >> extrapolation >> forecast.

Have you actually got an interesting question to ask me, Alf?

 

[alfie103]

My prediction is based on him having two major injuries in the same place, coming back - far too early in my view - and not being the same player.

Information >> extrapolation >> forecast.

Have you actually got an interesting question to ask me, Alf?

Nah, best to just leave it.

 

[DJS]

Beefage.

 

[nicdic]

Recurrent impact injuries is chance, nothing to do with coming back to early.

 

[thebenjamin]

I don't see a likely correlation between an ankle ligament injury and the general lack of energy shown by Kane. If it were something so fundamental as he can't run at top speed, twist and turn, or shoot with full power due to pain in his ankle, it would be obvious and the player and the club would of course be taking steps to remedy it. Even in the unlikely event that he wasn't the same player after what was a fairly minor ankle injury, urgent steps would be taken by the club and player to address it - just accepting that he'll never be the same player again and cracking on with it would not be viable.

 

[sausage]

I think Kane's initial issue this season was confidence (which is weird, considering he got the golden boot, but a different type of confidence related to his attempts, rather than simply scoring). He looks like he's had that back lately.

If we're pragmatic about it, Kane is and always has been two types of player - one that can knock it in by virtue of "right place, right time", and one that has good movement and a good shot on him.

I think he (or someone else) has realised he'll just get marked out of the game and barely get a sniff as a 9, so he's obviously dropped back as a 10 so he can get into the game more. I'd worry if it were Jermain Defoe we're on about, but Moura has taken up that role and it allows Kane to trot about and have more space to do his thing.

Most important thing is that he's permanently adapting, which is why he's never been a "one season wonder".

 

[dtxspurs]

Wut?

Also, I think you're going to be very disappointed if you think you're going to see Kane of old again.

I hope to god I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

Would love 'blistering Kane' back.

Wow.

 

[SlotBadger]

These awards are all nonsense, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't proud to see Harry listed as one of the nominees of the Ballon d'Or:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45782303

 

[ERO]

These awards are all nonsense, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't proud to see Harry listed as one of the nominees of the Ballon d'Or:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45782303

No Messi?

Edit: Right, they announce 5 at a time and still got 15 to go.