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E17yid

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Have you not seen the video earlier on this page? If Charlie Adam did that to a spurs player, I am sure you would be going ballistic.

Adams tackle on bale in pre season, for example (the one where bale glides past him and Adam has a go on his Achilles) is way worse for several reasons imo.
 

alfie103

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Adams tackle on bale in pre season, for example (the one where bale glides past him and Adam has a go on his Achilles) is way worse for several reasons imo.

Why is it much worse? They are both horrible challenges.
 

E17yid

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Why else make the challenge he did? He clearly isn't going for the ball and he must have known he carried a significant risk of injuring the player.

Fucking hell. You're clueless mate. It was a rash slightly high challenge. I'm sure if he wanted to make a genuine attempt to break his leg he would've done a lot better than that.
 

Gb160

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So it is ok making challenges like that until someone actually gets injured?
No, that's why he got a red card and three game ban, which is about right imo.
And you have no idea what Dele was thinking, it's funny that you think you do.
 

alfie103

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Fucking hell. You're clueless mate. It was a rash slightly high challenge. I'm sure if he wanted to make a genuine attempt to break his leg he would've done a lot better than that.

No, you are a typical football fan who just can't think their team is in the wrong, it is pathetic. A rash slightly high challenge? Deluded, lets hope someone does it to you and you brush it off the same way.
 

E17yid

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Why is it much worse? They are both horrible challenges.

Firstly, bale was past Adam and there was absolutely zero chance of him getting the ball, he was behind him. Secondly, it's a much more vulnerable part of someone to cause a serious injury which was clearly his intention. Ali was admittedly annoyed at not getting a foul but watch the actual incident in real time instead of the misleading slo mo gif and you'll see if he timed it better and wasn't so rash he could've actually won the ball, unlike Adam. Thirdly there was history between bale and Adam and lastly bale was at full tilt when Adam rakes his Achilles, Ali was practically stationary with no momentum and minimal force.
 

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No, that's why he got a red card and three game ban, which is about right imo.
And you have no idea what Dele was thinking, it's funny that you think you do.

Why else is he making the tackle so high on his leg? I don't see what else he is trying to achieve.
 

Gb160

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Why else is he making the tackle so high on his leg? I don't see what else he is trying to achieve.
So you think whenever a player goes over the ball it's an attempt to break someone's leg?
He's miscontrolled it and had a lunge at it, he misses the ball by a tiny amount if you look again...looks worse because of where his foot ends up.

To say he's trying to break his leg is fucking ludicrous.
 

alfie103

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Firstly, bale was past Adam and there was absolutely zero chance of him getting the ball, he was behind him. Secondly, it's a much more vulnerable part of someone to cause a serious injury which was clearly his intention. Ali was admittedly annoyed at not getting a foul but watch the actual incident in real time instead of the misleading slo mo gif and you'll see if he timed it better and wasn't so rash he could've actually won the ball, unlike Adam. Thirdly there was history between bale and Adam and lastly bale was at full tilt when Adam rakes his Achilles, Ali was practically stationary with no momentum and minimal force.

1. I think it is worse that Alli could have gone for the ball but instead made the challenge on the players leg which would have bent it in the opposite way it should have.

2. I personally think a broken leg is worse than a broken ankle or damage to the ligaments. Doesn't matter if Alli is annoying, doesn't mean you make tackles like that. This is 'it looks worse in slo mo' is rubbish, he doesn't show a different tackle.

3. I have no idea what the history between Charlie Adam and Gareth Bale has to do with assessing why it is much worse than Adam's tackle. Alli was lunging into the tackle, still enough to potentially cause damage.
 

alfie103

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So you think whenever a player goes over the ball it's an attempt to break someone's leg?
He's miscontrolled it and had a lunge at it, he misses the ball by a tiny amount if you look again...looks worse because of where his foot ends up.

To say he's trying to break his leg is fucking ludicrous.

Well I don't see what a player would achieve by tackling so high above the ball apart from trying to hurt a player? He doesn't miss the ball by a tiny amount, he misses by a large amount.
 

Gb160

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Well I don't see what a player would achieve by tackling so high above the ball apart from trying to hurt a player? He doesn't miss the ball by a tiny amount, he misses by a large amount.
No...no he doesn't.
It was a bad tackle, no ones saying it wasn't, he's been punished, Move on.
 

E17yid

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1. I think it is worse that Alli could have gone for the ball but instead made the challenge on the players leg which would have bent it in the opposite way it should have.

2. I personally think a broken leg is worse than a broken ankle or damage to the ligaments. Doesn't matter if Alli is annoying, doesn't mean you make tackles like that. This is 'it looks worse in slo mo' is rubbish, he doesn't show a different tackle.

3. I have no idea what the history between Charlie Adam and Gareth Bale has to do with assessing why it is much worse than Adam's tackle. Alli was lunging into the tackle, still enough to potentially cause damage.

You're saying he deliberately tried to break his leg. I made the Achilles point because if you were intending to cause serious damage to someone it's easier to target a more vulnerable part of the body. Considering Alli wasn't even jogging when he went into that tackle it would make it quite hard to break his leg.

What slow mo GIFS of a 1 second clip of a tackle don't show is the wider context nor does it give you a feel for how it happened in real time and appreciate how fast it all happens.

I made the point about history as I was talking about intent in general. So, if there's known bad blood between two players it's not a massive leap to say (when one injures another maliciously) that it was deliberate to the point of injury. Alli lost his cool but I think it's a big leap to go from that to, he's trying to break his leg.
 

Sandros Shiny Head

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So you think whenever a player goes over the ball it's an attempt to break someone's leg?
He's miscontrolled it and had a lunge at it, he misses the ball by a tiny amount if you look again...looks worse because of where his foot ends up.

To say he's trying to break his leg is fucking ludicrous.
You can clearly see in the video that he's swung his foot at the ball but the Gent player just gets there first leaving Alli's full momentum taking his leg up into the other guy
 
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