Player watch: Danny Rose

[KILLA_SIN]

. I miss the back 4 of Rose, Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Walker all on top form as a defence.

Im 35 thats the best back 4 I ever saw at the club

Anyway regarding ROSE I would be gutted if he left but if he ends up at PSG thats a great move for him and we have a reasonable relationship with PSG as far as it goes with the elite sides in Europe so it could be plausible.

 

[adamsky]

I do think Rose’s form at end of last season has been over exaggerated. He was definitely better but miles off his best. Showed good fight and effort but end product was very poor. Not particularly wanting him sold but as long as we get new player I wouldn’t be against it.

 

[HodisGawd]

I do think Rose’s form at end of last season has been over exaggerated. He was definitely better but miles off his best. Showed good fight and effort but end product was very poor. Not particularly wanting him sold but as long as we get new player I wouldn’t be against it.

Exactly. The 2016 Rose was a phenomenal player. But I actually found his form at the end of last season very worrying. He was clearly putting in a (relatively) enormous amount of effort and fight into it as you say, but still didn't look anywhere near the player of 2016. You can say he needs time, but if we want to compete we don't have time. I love Danny, but I'm happy to let go and try to upgrade.

 

[Gbspurs]

I do think Rose’s form at end of last season has been over exaggerated. He was definitely better but miles off his best. Showed good fight and effort but end product was very poor. Not particularly wanting him sold but as long as we get new player I wouldn’t be against it.

This is key. Countless times in the last few weeks of the season we saw chance after chance fall away because of poor end product from the FB's. Let's not forget we fell away badly last season and I think this is largely the cause. Both need replacing and I hold no sentiment over it at all.

 

[Spurrific]

His end product was "poor" because the rest of the team was playing like shit, you can't create for statues. I think the whole squad burned out, but he was one of our only consistent performers - there's always this revisionism when we're losing a player though, same happened with Walker.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I don't see too many teams willing to cough up 15 to 20 mill for him. He'll probably play out the rest of his contract with Spurs.

 

[Japhet]

His end product was "poor" because the rest of the team was playing like shit, you can't create for statues. I think the whole squad burned out, but he was one of our only consistent performers - there's always this revisionism when we're losing a player though, same happened with Walker.

The revisionism after Walker left became that he was an awesome attacking threat. In reality, he got in plenty of great positions but actually created next to nothing. Rose's 'end product' has always been iffy.

 

[Spurrific]

The revisionism after Walker left became that he was an awesome attacking threat. In reality, he got in plenty of great positions but actually created next to nothing. Rose's 'end product' has always been iffy.

Nah, bollocks was it. The revisionism was that we were retaining a better full back in Trippier and that Walker wouldn't be a big loss as he wasn't that good anyway. Nobody was making him out to be an attacking force, literally nobody - you made that up.

 

[Ben1]

His end product was "poor" because the rest of the team was playing like shit, you can't create for statues. I think the whole squad burned out, but he was one of our only consistent performers - there's always this revisionism when we're losing a player though, same happened with Walker.

Or people just don't rate him as highly as you do. I cannot remember this brilliant form from the end of last season. He was better than the last few years, mainly because he actually got on the pitch, but he wasn't particularly stand out for me.

Why, when Rose is shit, is it everyone elses fault, but when Eriksen is shit, its his fault completely?!

 

[Spurrific]

Or people just don't rate him as highly as you do. I cannot remember this brilliant form from the end of last season. He was better than the last few years, mainly because he actually got on the pitch, but he wasn't particularly stand out for me.

Why, when Rose is shit, is it everyone elses fault, but when Eriksen is shit, its his fault completely?!

What the fuck are you on about? You're replying to a load of shit I didn't say. Didn't say he was in brilliant form, I said he performed consistently. Go through some match threads or player rating threads and I guarantee you see people voting for Rose or saying he was the only one that turned up.

Didn't say everything is Eriksen's fault about anything either, if anything I've said the opposite and said his relatively "poor" performances were due to injuries and inconsistency around him (proper weird inference from you on that one).

Actually read posts before you reply to them, because the above response is fucking weird.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Rose is a tough player. I know since he came back from injury his speed going forward has taken a hit. He is still a tough tackler but also half a step slower than he was. I do feel more comfortable with than Davies at LB (though Davies value was always that he could be a good stand in for Verts) Still we could get a more dynamic choice and maybe still Sessegnon is a buy (haven't seen how he is defensively)

 

[bbunc]

I do think Rose’s form at end of last season has been over exaggerated. He was definitely better but miles off his best. Showed good fight and effort but end product was very poor. Not particularly wanting him sold but as long as we get new player I wouldn’t be against it.

Agree 100%. The big problem being it doesn’t appear we have any intent of replacing him with a stud LB if we sell.

We seem to think Sess is the LB, who is almost certainly not an upgrade from Rose at that position, at least in the relatively near term.

Especially if we think Davies might ultimately provide some LCB cover, I just don’t really get why we don’t want to buy a 1st choice LB if we sell Rose.

 

[y1dk1d]

Like others I partially understand why we’d get rid in the way we can’t depend on him with his injuries and he is approaching 30.

But I will be gutted to see him go. He’s been great as a player and his commitment and aggression on the pitch was often second to none.

Could sound far fetched but I think he’s the closest LB to Ashley Cole in terms of play style I’ve seen

 

[Gassin's finest]

Rose was excellent towards the end of last season. His leaving would be a blow, make no mistake.

He's been here for over 10 years hasn't he? He's the best example of Poche's revolution. He's Spurs.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I hope Rose stays and we still add Sessegnon. Too often last year either Rose or Davies was out, and we were reliant on the other playing back to back games. The cover option was KWP, and I think his reliance on his right foot makes us too blunt down the left. If Rose goes, we should be looking at a proper replacement with Sessegnon as an extra option.
I’m less concerned at RB, because with Aurier and KWP we still have Foyth as a reasonable option. Vertonghen would probably be next up at LB, but he’s arguably our best CB, so we lose out by moving him over. Overall I think the left side of defence needs addressing. Vertonghen the only natural LCB. With Rose, Davies and Sessegnon, we would be able to have Davies cover LB and LCB.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

The revisionism after Walker left became that he was an awesome attacking threat. In reality, he got in plenty of great positions but actually created next to nothing. Rose's 'end product' has always been iffy.

Walker was better than both Aurier and Trippier. We thought we were being smart selling him to City and getting SA in at half the price, we fucked up. Gutted he was sold.
The player we get after Rose will be half the player he is.

 

[bigpalacios]

Walker was better than both Aurier and Trippier. We thought we were being smart selling him to City and getting SA in at half the price, we fucked up. Gutted he was sold.
The player we get after Rose will be half the player he is.

He wanted to leave though so it wasnt about thinking we were smart it was about making the best of the situation.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

He wanted to leave though so it wasnt about thinking we were smart it was about making the best of the situation.

Yes, but he wasn't forcing a move and was said that he accepted the clubs decision if he wasn't sold, he was 1 into a 5 year contract.

 

[bigpalacios]

Yes, but he wasn't forcing a move and was said that he accepted the clubs decision if he wasn't sold, he was 1 into a 5 year contract.

My belief is that he asked to leave and the club therefore looked at the best solution, I dont think we were trying to pull off some sort of smart move.
Every player we sign isnt going to be a success but I think Poch has the belief he can improve players so he may see massive potential in Sessegnon that would surpass Rose. I mean look what he did with Rose.

 

[SpartanSpur]

If Rose can get a move then good for him. If he's happy to stay and fight for a space while we bed in Sessegnon in for a year its probably ideal.

One less thing to worry about this window.

The issue if he, Eriksen and Toby stay is how much of a net spend can we realistically afford?

If we sell a bunch of fringe players (GKN, Janssen, Onomah, CCV, Edwards, Wanyama etc...) and then sign Lo Celso and Sessegnon we'd be looking at around £100m net spend. Can we do that? I'd hope so but it's a big ask!