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Cameron Carter-Vickers

rabbikeane

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Would have to make sure it's a club that intend to use him of course,
there's an opening at Red Bulls now.
 

npearl4spurs

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You know, I do a lot of betting and I read books on forecasting. To place great faith in obstacles that can easily be worked around, is a bad idea. Basically, as you are pointing out, there is popular interest in watching world class football and there are millions of kids playing today. Some will make it, the same way rain in the mountains will make it to the sea. A river will be made.

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LondonOllie

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I think the USA is 'potentially' a sleeping giant. There are so many kids playing footie here. You should see the turn out for the little leagues here in Colorado and how many youngsters play the game.

Here's what happens....most kids who show athletic potential when they get to high school, are either playing a few different sports or end up moving over to American Football, Baseball, or Basketball (to name the big three). You do get kids sticking with 'soccer' but there isn't quite the love/interest or investment as they get older when compared to those other sports.

If...and it's a big if, that changes and the perception that it's not a 'wimpy' sport for boys to play (still what many grown men believe here), and then you'll see greater interest and high school athletes sticking with footy, then you'll will see money thrown at the sport, the best athletes sticking with it, and coaching to match....then I would say the USA can definitely over time become a powerhouse.

When it comes to sports in general, especially at youth level including high school and college...the USA is on an absolutely different level - it's just whether the population takes a different sport outside those major 3, seriously.

Just to give you an idea of the kind of money in College Sports. I used to live in Austin Texas. Here's some information about the University of Texas sports, and their American Football team who are actually not playing very well, but have a ton of cash to throw at the program - remember this is just one university in Texas:

  • More than 500 student-athletes compete in 20 sports programs at Texas
  • The American Football stadium's official capacity now stands at 100,119
  • UT's athletics program has a $160 million-plus budget annually
  • The American football team turned a $74.1 million profit in the 2013-14 school year
  • UT recently signed a new 15-year licensing and apparel agreement with Nike worth $250 million

Here are a few photos of american football players facilities at universities around the country. Take a look and think about the financial numbers above, think about the fact that there is a growing hispanic population who do like football (soccer), and think about the population currently of over 320,000 - if the USA does show more of an interest in footy, there is no reason why they can't become a powerhouse. People may have a little chuckle at them right now, but as you see in many other sports....they have the athletes and the money, and the general attitude and drive to succeed in a lot of the population that to dismiss them would be naive.

http://247sports.com/Gallery/Photos-Ranking-the-Top-25-facilities-in-college-football-2015-42015109
 
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Mullers

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I definitely would have played him today, he is the fourth defender. If TA gets injured, he'll been thrown in the deep end. We can also move Dier back there but then we lose his presence in midfield.
 

npearl4spurs

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Set to make his full-debut today according to the "Edwards reminds Poch of a 'young Messi'" Guardian article.

What stood out to me more than the Edwards-young Messi comment was what Poch said about CCV below:

Pochettino will rotate his players against Gillingham, with Tottenham in the throes of a seven-game sequence in the space of 22 days and he is expected to include the 18-year-old centre-half Cameron Carter-Vickers, in the starting lineup for what would be his debut. Pochettino has extremely high hopes for the USA youth international and, as with Edwards, he was not shy about talking them up.

“For me, he can be one of the best centre-backs in England in the future,” Pochettino said. “He has a strong mentality and all the qualities for playing centre-back. Does he remind me of myself as a player? No, he is better than me. I said one of the best centre-backs in England.”

To me, this is a bigger statement than what he said about Edwards because he just talked about whom he(Edwards) reminded Poch of. Of course, it was the best player in the world, but Poch here says more definitively where he thinks CCV could go. And in addition to saying he is (present tense) better than Poch was (international CB), when you think about the best CBs in England, he basically just said that if he continues to progress, he thinks he could be the level of Alderweireld, Kompany (pre-injury), etc. Pretty lofty praise IMO
 
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HildoSpur

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Certainly seems like CCV has moved ahead of Wimmer in the pecking order which although surprising is a huge vote of confidence in the lad. Hope he takes his chance.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Daily Mail 'exclusive':

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...kers-England-radar-amid-Jurgen-Klinsmann.html

Tottenham's US teenager Cameron Carter-Vickers is on England radar amid interest from Jurgen Klinsmann
  • Mauricio Pochettino backs Cameron Carter-Jackson for stardom
  • Tottenham defender made senior debut in EFL Cup win over Gillingham
  • Jurgen Klinsmann has considered fast-tracking Southend-born teenager who qualifies to play for USA via his father
Jurgen Klinsmann wants to fast-track Tottenham’s young star Cameron Carter-Vickers into the senior USA squad amid fears England will poach the teenager.

The 18-year-old has been tipped for stardom by Spurs manager Mauricio Pochettino, who said earlier this week: ‘For me, he can be one of the best centre backs in England.’

Carter-Vickers made his senior debut on Wednesday night when he started in the 5-0 EFL Cup win over Gillingham. He was born and raised in Southend but has played for the USA at Under 18, Under 20 and Under 23 level.

He qualifies for the USA through his dad, Howard Carter, a basketball player for the Denver Nuggets and Dallas Mavericks.

But having come through England’s academy system, Carter-Vickers is firmly on the radar of the FA.

He is yet to make a senior appearance for America, which means he is still eligible for England. And USA head coach Klinsmann is ready to move swiftly to secure the teenager.

America face friendlies against Cuba and New Zealand next month, but neither game is classed as a competitive fixture.The first opportunity Carter-Vickers can fully commit himself to the USA is in November when they face Mexico and Costa Rica in World Cup qualifiers.

England boss Sam Allardyce revealed last month that the FA made a similar move for French midfielder Steven Nzonzi, who qualified by living in England for over five years during his spells with Stoke and Blackburn.




 

yankspurs

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Gotta get him cap tied in November, along with Lyndon Gooch from Sunderland. I got money on the CB partnership in Russia being CCV and John Brooks.
 

UpTownSpur

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Gotta get him cap tied in November, along with Lyndon Gooch from Sunderland. I got money on the CB partnership in Russia being CCV and John Brooks.

How about both Klinsmann and Allardyce just leave him alone for a couple of years and let him get on with his development, and he can make up his mind when he has a better idea of where his career's going.
 

beats1

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How about both Klinsmann and Allardyce just leave him alone for a couple of years and let him get on with his development, and he can make up his mind when he has a better idea of where his career's going.
You're forgetting the fact he is a seasoned U23 international for 2 years now and his CB partner during that time has been with the USMNT and hasnt got a look in for Vitesse whilst Cameron Carter-Vickers has been on the bench for a PL side.

Regardless if England want him or not, CCV was due his international cap soon anyway. This is the team with Yedlin playing regularly for them lets not forget
 

UpTownSpur

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You're forgetting the fact he is a seasoned U23 international for 2 years now and his CB partner during that time has been with the USMNT and hasnt got a look in for Vitesse whilst Cameron Carter-Vickers has been on the bench for a PL side.

Regardless if England want him or not, CCV was due his international cap soon anyway. This is the team with Yedlin playing regularly for them lets not forget

Exactly, why would he want to commit to play with 2nd rate players like Yedlin when he may well be good enough to play for England? If he turns out to be not very good then he's got the US to fall back on. Look at Bojan. Thought he was good enough to make it with Spain but he wasn't and that one cap he got for them has denied the possibility of him switching to Serbia.
 

beats1

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Exactly, why would he want to commit to play with 2nd rate players like Yedlin when he may well be good enough to play for England? If he turns out to be not very good then he's got the US to fall back on. Look at Bojan. Thought he was good enough to make it with Spain but he wasn't and that one cap he got for them has denied the possibility of him switching to Serbia.
I agree from his point of view he should keep his options open if he wants to represent England however if he isn't bothered or wants to represent the US he should accept the call up from the US

As for the US they have help develop a young player with nearly 30 caps over 3 different age levels despite never getting one call up from england at any level. He is/would be due a US call up judging by his performance for the USMNT.

Technically speaking he would have been capped at international level if FIFA recognised the olympics qualification
 

yankspurs

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Exactly, why would he want to commit to play with 2nd rate players like Yedlin when he may well be good enough to play for England? If he turns out to be not very good then he's got the US to fall back on. Look at Bojan. Thought he was good enough to make it with Spain but he wasn't and that one cap he got for them has denied the possibility of him switching to Serbia.
Why play for the US? Because you're playing for a country where you'll very likely end up starting in a WC early on whereas with England, its not as nailed on because he doesnt play for Liverpool, United or Chelsea. Also because there will be familiarity with a few of the players from the youth teams. Not to mention, he's apparently close with his father who is American and lives in America and the US has given him a ton of international football while England hasnt even given him a look.

Alao, just because we're not full of world class players doesnt mean we're not a good team. I'd fancy us to beat England in a competitive match tbh. The US plays for the team and fights for the team. If England showed even half as much fight as the US, they'd be much better on the international stage.
 

Hans Moleman

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I'd choose the US if i was him purely because England are shit and he won't have to come home from every International tournament getting abused from the public and media whilst being embarrassed to walk outside
 
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