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AVB seemed a decent bloke. The footy was poor though. Death by 1000 sideways passes; creating few chances; being spanked by City and Liverpool. Sadly, that's what stands out for me from his reign.
Opinion of AVB in hindsight?
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Gbspurs
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I know but it shows we are willing to spend the money but only under Levys terms. I appreciate that spanking £25m on Moutinho was a big deal for us but we had an opportunity to make a statement and buy a quality player. Instread we bought filler. Then we lost Bale and took this scattergun approach and now we are back to buying filler.
I know hindsight makes all this look very simple but after losing Modric we should have acted and sorted things out. Choosing Dembele and Demoseurof Moutinho is where it all started going wrong for me.
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Yes, we should have, and by the time Bale went, the ship had sailed on AVB's targets..
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Perhaps if the players he targeted had been available when we had
Except Willan, who chose understandably to go to Chelsea. Just because you want players it does not mean they want to come.
I'm not being immature , I'm being realistic
there's already an AVB watch thread. I don't understand why AVB and Sherwood fan boys feel the need to resurrect old, done to death debates all the time
This league success with Zenit is meaningless in regards to his time with us
Regardless of whether or not they have won the league for 3 years - THIS YEAR their squad is head and shoulders above their rivals and as such he is expected to win the league
Porto hadn't won the league the year prior to him winning it there but the landscape of that game had changed when he did and they had by far the best team in the league then when he won it
Anzi were once a force in the Russian league but they're not anymore, less competition. CSKA lost their best players and are far weaker than previously (less competition). Zenit were, this year, by far and away the best team with easily the strongest squad and as such EXPECTED to win the league out there.
There was a time when Celtic hadn't won the league for a spell due to Rangers, but once Rangers were dismantled they have had a clear run at the league every year. Zenit may not have won the league for 3 years, but this year they were expected to because they were disproportionately better than their rivals. As I said, in my opinion it changes nothing, he'd already won the league in Portugal by managing the best team and in fact he added to that European success which he was unable to reproduce in Russia so if anything it's a less impressive achievement
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Where was all this support for him when we lost 5 nil at the lane to Liverpool? We played the worst football I've seen apurs play under him and we got our asses kicked on a number of occasions. I wanted him to work out, but you could see he was mentally shell shocked after that Liverpool game and had to go.
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http://www.theguardian.com/football...gue-criticism-boris-chukhlov?CMP=share_btn_tw
“Zenit play boring football,” said Boris Chukhlov, who won the Soviet title with Zenit in 1984. “A team full of star names is going out onto the pitch, however, the tactics are too cautious. The side is showing anti-football, which basically boils down to giving the ball as quickly as possible to Hulk or Danny.”.
“He is always whining,” said Chukhlov. “The referees are aiding the opposition with their mistakes, the conditions for playing football are poor, and so on. However, we have a lot more questions towards this manager.”
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“Zenit play boring football,” said Boris Chukhlov, who won the Soviet title with Zenit in 1984. “A team full of star names is going out onto the pitch, however, the tactics are too cautious. The side is showing anti-football, which basically boils down to giving the ball as quickly as possible to Hulk or Danny.”.
“He is always whining,” said Chukhlov. “The referees are aiding the opposition with their mistakes, the conditions for playing football are poor, and so on. However, we have a lot more questions towards this manager.”
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He sorted our defence out until injuries hit. Had a couple of horrendous results then everyone lost their shit.
If he had been supported better it would have been different.
If he had been supported better it would have been different.
However, Zenit were disappointing in the Champions League and failed to get out of the group stage.
“We are such a strong squad and when faced with such weak opponents, they should have wrapped up the Russian title two months ago and should have performed much better in the European competitions,” Chukhlov said.
@Luka Van der Bale - read the above comments. You may not agree with what I have said but someone who watches Zenit far more keenly than you or I (I assume) certainly has similar opinions to me on AVB's success with Zenit this season so I think you're a little out of line calling my opinion immature as if I am just devaluing his achievement because I have some personal agenda against him (I do not)
It's a valid view point as Chukhlov states "such a strong squad and when faced with such weak opponents, they should have wrapped up the Russian title two months ago..."
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His high line got figured out. All teams had to do was soak up pressure and hit us on the counter. With Kane we got away with it as he could score. Without him we at times looked clueless and sometimes even suicidal. He never managed to adjust the tactics so had to go.
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This may be true, we will never know
I suppose it depends where the blame lies for the mistakes we made in the transfer market - I imagine blame falls at the feet of both AVB and Levy to varying extents
Levy seems to have done what Levy does and provided cheap knock off alternatives of players the manager actually wanted - this is certainly not backing the manager and makes his job more difficult
How much involvement AVB had in selecting those alternatives I don't know
It does seem that he is at fault for having targets beyond our means and failing to come up with more realistic options - throwing his toys out when he didn't get what he wanted, so I believe there is blame on both sides in this respect
As for the Bale window - AVB seems to be excused from blame and BAldini takes most of it from fans. Was it all Baldini's doing? I am sure he wasn't the only person involved and I am sure AVB had in put. I know it's been said for example that AVB insisted if we were going to spend £26m on a striker he preferred Soldado to Benteke (an almighty fuck up if true when you think of his style of play which means so few chances being created in the box)
It's really hard to know where to attributed blame, I'm sure there are two or three sides to this story and I think that while AVB may have performed better had he got his targets (first choice targets) and Levy can be blamed for not getting whichever ones were realistic at the time AVB is probably not blameless here either
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He also said
“I read an interview from the president of Tottenham. He thanked his lucky stars when they got rid of Villas-Boas, as they were so fed-up of him"
Did he really say that? He might have done although i'd be surprised if he did. I'm not sure this chap is the full ticket.
To be fair most fans were so fed up of him after the football he'd had us playing and the results we had been achieving
That could well be ranting on his behalf, I wouldn't say it suggests he's "not the full ticket" just that he doesn't know directly about the Spurs situation like he does the Zenit one as he follows it more closely. So I'd take his comments regarding the current situation more seriously than anything he said about AVB's time with us
Even his last match in charge, against liverpool, was good until Paulinho got sent off and typical tottenham calamity kicked in.
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He lost King, Modric and VDV at the start of the season, was given replacements like Dempsey and Dembele by Danny boy and still managed to get fifth place in the league and the most points we've ever achieved.
I think he did well and some of our supporters used a couple of bad results (one of which included us going down to 10 men and playing a midfielder as a centre back because we were so short handed btw) as a means of getting rid of him because they would prefer to watch 11 men run around randomly for 90 minutes so long as they run a) quickly and b) generally towards the goal.
As someone else said I think at the end of his career if you compare his trophy haul to ours as a club across the same period it won't make fantastic reading from our point of view unfortunately.
I think he did well and some of our supporters used a couple of bad results (one of which included us going down to 10 men and playing a midfielder as a centre back because we were so short handed btw) as a means of getting rid of him because they would prefer to watch 11 men run around randomly for 90 minutes so long as they run a) quickly and b) generally towards the goal.
As someone else said I think at the end of his career if you compare his trophy haul to ours as a club across the same period it won't make fantastic reading from our point of view unfortunately.
I actually think AVB is still largely over rated by his fan boys who think of him as some kind of tactical genius and bought the same hype Levy did when he thought he was being smart hiring him after his time at Chelsea
I think many fans to this day do not want to admit they were so wrong about him when they thought he was going to be a star so they continue to over rate him and ignore what saw with our eyes (sacked from two EPL clubs and failing)
As for Poch, I don't think he's rated particularly highly, is he? I think most of us are skeptical about how far he can take us but because he's our current manager and still going to be in the job next year we're giving him time to build the team in his image before making a judgement on him
To be fair I did the same with AVB even though I never rated him from his time with Chelsea and thought he would flop for us - but when he was our manager I backed him and gave him time to prove me wrong like I am doing with Poch now. I don't join the AVB out crowd until the Liverpool game, his last game in charge
I think my views are likely to reflect the bulk of Spurs fans, there are just a few who get drawn in to debates over the likes of AVB and as such run to extreme ends of the argument for the sake of debate. AVB wasn't terrible as a coach, his first year was relatively successful but ultimately he was a failure and rightfully sacked. I think he's over rated by his fan boys who still go on about him to this day
Well he seems to have the charm and gift of the gab to sell himself and land pretty decent jobs so if he stays at a club like Zenit or moves on to other clubs that are the dominant force in their respective league I am sure he will have more silverware than us as a club - but then we're the 6th biggest club in one of if not the richest/strongest league in Europe
The only relevant question is whether we'd have had more silverware and success in ten years time had we kept AVB as opposed to whatever unfolds in the future. That is going to be pure opinion, mine is no we wouldn't and most likely we'd have been bored to death in the process
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