Opinion of AVB in hindsight?

[yankspurs]

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Most boring football I've ever seen

i liked watching us play a style at least. I HATED watching us run around like headless chickens and lost puppies for a full 90 minutes under his successor.

 

[Shea]

He fixed the defensive problems (helped in no small part by finally playing a world class keeper) like he achieved our highest ever finish in a league that we were the fifth best team in and had one of the top 3 players in the world and easily the best player in our league (as we saw with Liverpool having a player of that ability playing at the top of his game can transfer a team, Suarez made Rodgers look better as Bale made AVB)

The defense also turned to shit after he recklessly sent Lloris back on after suffering a concussion during a match (when he should have in no way put Hugo at risk like that) and for weeks after Hugo was not the same player.

He was tactically weak, obsessed with possession and I still think we're suffering from the damage done with his destruction of our creativity and reliance of shooting from range

I wasn't a fan of how he always shifted responsibility from himself and laid blame else where when things were not going well - even blaming the fans for booing etc, a smart manager would have worried about winning the crowd back not lambasting them and acting like they should be happy with the shit he was serving up. How would he have handled a Spanish club if the fans were giving him the white hankie treatment?

Winning the league in Russia means nothing to me - the only question that needs to be asked in hindsight is if you think had we kept him we'd be doing better, worse or the same now. That's subjective and down to personal opinion and mine is that we'd be doing worse so I don't regret parting company with him at all

 

[RuskyM]

I really miss him.

 

[RuskyM]

The fact that we've still played better this season than under AVB tells you everything about his time as manager here.

Really?

Because from December 2012 to March 2013, we had one of the best Spurs sides I've ever seen. Arguably better than the year before since it had Dempsey & Dembele in place of the far superior van der Vaart & Modric. We were defensively secure which we fucking aren't now and we had some semblance of a plan, which for all his talk of it, Pochettino hasn't shown.

I like Poch, I think he'll be great here, but AVB adapted quicker and produced results with more pressure behind him.

Watch our performances against Inter, the comeback against City, the demolition of Villa, the complete command over Arsenal, and tell me we were better this season.

 

[Ribble]

Would have been the right manager for the team we had when he went to Chelsea, would have helped had they not known his preferred targets too (like Oscar). As it was he wanted to play a style that was missing key components, then there was a drastic change and he still didn't get the key components. It was a baffling time and it's a mess that needs to be cleaned up quickly so that the club can move on.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Really?

Because from December 2012 to March 2013, we had one of the best Spurs sides I've ever seen. Arguably better than the year before since it had Dempsey & Dembele in place of the far superior van der Vaart & Modric. We were defensively secure which we fucking aren't now and we had some semblance of a plan, which for all his talk of it, Pochettino hasn't shown.

I like Poch, I think he'll be great here, but AVB adapted quicker and produced results with more pressure behind him.

Watch our performances against Inter, the comeback against City, the demolition of Villa, the complete command over Arsenal, and tell me we were better this season.

The fuck?

Ok, firstly, the time frame you refer to is around the same time Bale really kicked on and saved us.

The Inter game was good; and the City game was one of my favourite of all time.

I do not remember any 'complete command' over Arsenal and the only time we have done that was this season.

The Villa game, and I assume you are referring to the away match, was pretty poor on the first half, but a Bale hat-trick papered over that.

I'm not going to even address your comment about it being one of the best ever Spurs sides.

And yes, I still think we have played better football this season.

 

[prawnsandwich]

I am glad it is in hindsight.
I was so pleased when he joined us. A proven winner. I ignored the fact he was a tart at Chelsea.
He became a tart here too.

 

[DanielCHillier]

Liked him as a person and how passionate he looked when we won, but his style wasn't the right fit for us as a club and the premier league in general.

 

[ButchCassidy]

Wrong man, wrong team, wrong time.

 

[RuskyM]

The fuck?

Ok, firstly, the time frame you refer to is around the same time Bale really kicked on and saved us.

The Inter game was good; and the City game was one of my favourite of all time.

I do not remember any 'complete command' over Arsenal and the only time we have done that was this season.

The Villa game, and I assume you are referring to the away match, was pretty poor on the first half, but a Bale hat-trick papered over that.

I'm not going to even address your comment about it being one of the best ever Spurs sides.

And yes, I still think we have played better football this season.

Yes, of course, it was all Bale. Whilst presumably Kane bailing us out was good management. There's this absurd double standard around football where when it's a manager you don't like it's a one-man-team (how dare a manager build a team around his best player), when you do like the manager it's "the manager improved them". I guess we won't agree on that.

Villa match:
>Stroking the ball around nonchalantly as if in a practice game, Spurs forced 15 corners by half-time, only five short of the record for an entire Premier League match, set by Portsmouth against Fulham in 2006.

Certainly sounds poor.

I didn't say it was one of the best ever sides, I said it was one of the best I've seen, there's oceans of difference.

And that's fine, but I massively disagree. With the exception of the Chelsea & Arsenal games, I'm hard pressed to think of five games we've played good football this season. We've been downright turgid for most of the season.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Yes, of course, it was all Bale. Whilst presumably Kane bailing us out was good management. There's this absurd double standard around football where when it's a manager you don't like it's a one-man-team (how dare a manager build a team around his best player), when you do like the manager it's "the manager improved them". I guess we won't agree on that.

Villa match:
>Stroking the ball around nonchalantly as if in a practice game, Spurs forced 15 corners by half-time, only five short of the record for an entire Premier League match, set by Portsmouth against Fulham in 2006.

Certainly sounds poor.

I didn't say it was one of the best ever sides, I said it was one of the best I've seen, there's oceans of difference.

And that's fine, but I massively disagree. With the exception of the Chelsea & Arsenal games, I'm hard pressed to think of five games we've played good football this season. We've been downright turgid for most of the season.

I've said this before and this will be the last time I say it again.

There is a big difference between what Bale did and what Kane has done this season.

Bale would win games completely on his OWN. Whether that be through free-kicks or screamers, he produced moments of magic to win is points. The general standard of football was still awful.

Kane, while he has won a similar number of points, did not do it on his own. The TEAM has actually created chances that Kane has put away. There's only been one or two occasions where Kane has scored one out of nowhere, like Bale did on a regular basis, His first goal against Chelsea is an example of this. The football has still been below average a lot of the time, but better.

So, for me, it is not double standards because Bale created and put away chances on his own, whereas the team has created chances for Kane and he has put many of them away.

I could also argue that you can be accused of double standards as you have called our football for
the majority this season 'downright turgid' but you have praised AVB. And I can't see any way in which someone can justify the viewpoint that we played well under AVB.

 

[whitesocks]

I imagine he would be absolutely charming company at a dinner party on a yacht - as would MP.
They would appreciate the wine, know which cutlery to use, and amuse the other guests without embarrassing anyone.

Who needs ability when you have class?

 

[Tom Pops]

Decent manager, the football we played under him has been massively exaggerated since he's left imo

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

At this point in time....

Andre is and was underrated.

Maurice is overrated.

I hope this changes.

 

[guy]

Decent manager, the football we played under him has been massively exaggerated since he's left imo

I disagree, it was the first and only time I strongly contemplated not even watching our games. They were that boring and frustrating, I was going mental.

 

[VegasII]

"Urrrrrrgggghhhhhh"
"Immense dimensions"

 

[Gbspurs]

I liked him then, I liked him now. You can argue that his targets were "unrealistic" or that he was just ambitious and the club weren't brave enough to back him.

Biggest mistake Levy has made in recent history is not trusting AVB with the coffers but trusting Baldini instead.

Most manager are victims of circumstance, but if we got Moutinho in maybe we would have pushed on and got CL and then maybe we could have straightened with Bale rather than replacing him with £100m worth of shit.

As we know now, all those signings were trash as were most from the season before so is it any wonder the football wasn't great?

 

[Redfap]

Bale papered over the cracks in AvB. We were woeful in my opinion. Created no chances in open play, we were only able to score from a set piece, scrap or Bale wonder goal. AvB for me highlights just how immense Bale was for us under hsi reign.

But he does deserve credit for strengthening us defensively and for moving Bale to the right/central helping him become a dominant force.

Overall we have a better manager in Poch. We were nearly the most boring team in the league aside from the wondergoals from Bale

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

I think this thread comes 10 years too soon. Let AVB have at least a decent number of years as a Manager. That will then be fair and more accurate. This thread just reminded me of TS fanboys saying what solid work he has done at Villa. Then came the 6-1. It went quiet again. With AVB, TS, Ramsay or whoever were once connected to Spurs coaching, let them have 10 years to so to really prove what they are worth. Time will tell.

 

[Danners9]

He did very well by giving Bale the freedom to do whatever he wanted.

If his system relied on having a few specific players, then it wasn't much of a system. Hulk was always out of reach, Willian and Oscar were close then snatched away, Moutinho was a bit of a mess - so who knows, would it have really made all the difference? As it was, we were incredibly boring in his last season.