New Stadium Details And Discussions

[RichieS]

Why let the truth get in the way of a good Lynch mob/click baiting/panty bunching!

It's not the narrative itself that bothers me most, it's the fact that so many of our fans buy into it.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

Has anyone been on a stadium tour?
My wife has bought it as a surprise, however it's at 14:30 on August 31st, arsenal away is on at 15:00 ?
Is there anywhere local I can watch the 2nd half.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Has anyone been on a stadium tour?
My wife has bought it as a surprise, however it's at 14:30 on August 31st, arsenal away is on at 15:00 ?
Is there anywhere local I can watch the 2nd half.

Don't worry. The game will be moved.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

Don't worry. The game will be moved.

Fingers crossed. It was one of those moments, where I was appearing greatful but secretly crying inside.

 

[Saoirse]

Fingers crossed. It was one of those moments, where I was appearing greatful but secretly crying inside.

It will, 110%, be moved. They can't put a Saturday 3pm game on telly, and a Tottenham-Arsenal game not being televised is unthinkable. Even if it stays on the Saturday it'll probably be either 12.30 - so you can watch it in a Tottenham pub then walk to the ground - or 5.30, long after the tour will be done.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Fingers crossed. It was one of those moments, where I was appearing greatful but secretly crying inside.

Don't worry definately be moved there hasn't been a spurs arsenal 3pm Saturday kick off for over 20 years. Worst case is Saturday 12.30 you can then go straight after.

 

[longtimespur]

I treated myself and my wife to a tour on 3rd September, my birthday.
90 minutes of pure heaven coming up

 

[coys200]

One for David to explain lol.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Rateable Value is the valuation upon which Business Rates are based. It isn't closely related to Open Market Value, which is what a property would attract as a price if it were sold.

I'm a bit surprised that Chelsea is so far down the list. I suppose it's the age and smaller size of their stadium, but I would have expected London land values to overcome those factors. Lower land values explain why the major stadiums of the north are behind the Emirates and THS in the table.

EDIT: I don't think we know the dates of these valuations. The THS valuation is presumably very recent, but it may be that the others date back a few years. With Council Tax valuations, they all have to be back-dated to 1991 values (therein lies a scandal), but I don't know if a similar principle applies to harmonise valuations for Business Rates.

 

[coys200]

Yup here’s article we have to pay £3.7m a year. West Ham Bill is £1.6m but the tax payer will pay £1.3m of that what a joke.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/busine...spurs-new-stadium-tops-business-rates-league/

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Yup here’s article we have to pay £3.7m a year. West Ham Bill is £1.6m but the tax payer will pay £1.3m of that what a joke.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/busine...spurs-new-stadium-tops-business-rates-league/

I see that the Great Cheese Room Myth has survived the completion of the actual cheese-room-free stadium.

 

[aliyid]

I see that the Great Cheese Room Myth has survived the completion of the actual cheese-room-free stadium.

It’s how we separate the copy/paste journalists from those who put in at least some effort

 

['O Zio]

I'm a bit surprised that Chelsea is so far down the list. I suppose it's the age and smaller size of their stadium, but I would have expected London land values to overcome those factors. Lower land values explain why the major stadiums of the north are behind the Emirates and THS in the table.

Isn't there some complicated situation whereby the stadium is owned by the club but the pitch and land are owned by the fans or something? I'm not sure of the exact details but it's something along those lines and I assume that would lower the value because someone can't just come in and build a block of flats over it or something, at least not without the fans being on board, which they wouldn't be.

 

['O Zio]

Bit late to the party I know but I finally got to see the stadium last week. The outside of it at least. Unfortunately it was a bit of a spontaneous thing as I was in London and unexpectedly had a couple of hours to kill and decided to head up to Tottenham, so obviously couldn't do the tour or anything. I attempted to walk around the outside but was promptly told off by some security guards and so only really saw the outside of the West Stand but even still, I was blown away by the size of it. Plenty of people have said before that the pictures don't do it justice and I know exactly what they mean.

Checked out the "worlds biggest club shop" or whatever it is as well. Was pretty underwhelmed. It's big, but doesn't really have anything in it that the old one didn't, just more stock really. I don't know what I was expecting really but in my head I imagined them having like interactive games for the kids and all sorts of cool stuff but it really is just a shop and that's it. Oh well, does it's job I suppose. The unfortunate highlight was probably having a half-chuckle/half-cry to myself when I saw a shelf full of beer glasses shaped like the Champions League trophy....was 15 now yours for a mere 10 quid. Chickens well and truly counted I suppose

As a side note, I arrived onto the high road what must've been minutes after some massive police operation. Basically there was a blacked out customised BMW with black wheels and everything that looked like it had been run off the road by an unmarked police car that was also scuffed up. Surrounding this was about 7 or 8 squad cars with normal police, as well as a team of SWAT-team style blokes with machine guns and all the gear. Obviously everyone from the whole area was out on the street watching all this unfold. What looked like happened was that it was a planned "take down" of whoever was in this BMW and an unmarked car had come up behind him and when given a signal had run him off the road before he was surrounded by the strategically placed armed police unit. I didn't see the bloke who was driving but I assume from the heavy-handed police response and his car that it was some drug dealer/gangster type and that they were anticipating him being armed. Was a bit of excitement anyway. Then I went over the road and had some decent jerk chicken before heading back into town. All in all, a fun couple of hours

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Isn't there some complicated situation whereby the stadium is owned by the club but the pitch and land are owned by the fans or something? I'm not sure of the exact details but it's something along those lines and I assume that would lower the value because someone can't just come in and build a block of flats over it or something, at least not without the fans being on board, which they wouldn't be.

Interesting, but I don't think that would be taken into account in a rateable valuation - although it would be considered if one were obtaining a valuation for the sale of a development site.

 

[robbiedee]

Isn't there some complicated situation whereby the stadium is owned by the club but the pitch and land are owned by the fans or something? I'm not sure of the exact details but it's something along those lines and I assume that would lower the value because someone can't just come in and build a block of flats over it or something, at least not without the fans being on board, which they wouldn't be.

You're right - for some reason I thought it was the Chelsea Pensioners who owned the pitch but I was wrong - it's a non-profit company 'Chelsea Pitch Owners Plc' who own the pitch and the club name by the looks of it. Chelsea Pitch Owners

If you can't be arsed to read the link, they basically formed in 1997 to get Chelsea out of the shit when the were struggling financially. Probably not for this thread though so I'll leave it there.

 

['O Zio]

Interesting, but I don't think that would be taken into account in a rateable valuation - although it would be considered if one were obtaining a valuation for the sale of a development site.

Yeah I'm not in the least bit clued up on how all these valuations work. It just seems common sense that if they don't own the land/pitch that the stadium is worth less than if they did own everything. I was merely speculating that that could be one reason why their valuation is surprisingly low, but maybe it isn't factored into it.

 

['O Zio]

You're right - for some reason I thought it was the Chelsea Pensioners who owned the pitch but I was wrong - it's a non-profit company 'Chelsea Pitch Owners Plc' who own the pitch and the club name by the looks of it. Chelsea Pitch Owners

If you can't be arsed to read the link, they basically formed in 1997 to get Chelsea out of the shit when the were struggling financially. Probably not for this thread though so I'll leave it there.

Interesting. Yeah I don't know all the specifics like I say, I just remember reading something about it in the thread about their proposed new stadium. ages ago. Who exactly this Chelsea Pitch Owners lot are I've no idea. Maybe it is the pensioners!

 

[davidmatzdorf]

You're right - for some reason I thought it was the Chelsea Pensioners who owned the pitch but I was wrong - it's a non-profit company 'Chelsea Pitch Owners Plc' who own the pitch and the club name by the looks of it. Chelsea Pitch Owners

If you can't be arsed to read the link, they basically formed in 1997 to get Chelsea out of the shit when the were struggling financially. Probably not for this thread though so I'll leave it there.

My memory is that the Chelsea Pitch Owners parcelled up the pitch into multiple ownership with the express intention of making it impossible to sell off the stadium for development. I don't think it raised any money - it was just a way to make it impossible to transfer the ownership of the land away from the club and its supporters.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Interesting. Yeah I don't know all the specifics like I say, I just remember reading something about it in the thread about their proposed new stadium. ages ago. Who exactly this Chelsea Pitch Owners lot are I've no idea. Maybe it is the pensioners!

I'm sure it's nothing to do with the Chelsea Pensioners, who are unconnected with the football club. They're war veterans who live in sheltered accommodation nearby.