New Stadium Details And Discussions

[mark87]

So according to reports THST are with other supporter groups advocating that Champions League finals are only held in stadiums of 75000 plus , so that cuts out The Lane and includes dumps like Wembley and the Ataturk Stadium venue for 2020 final. View attachment 52526

• Capacity: Only stadiums with sufficiently large capacities should be selected. This would allow more tickets to be made available for the fans of both teams as well as the football family. It is proposed the ideal capacity for a Champions League final is in the region of 75,000 or greater, and for the Europa League final in the region of 55,000 or greater.

The increase in fan tickets won't be that much, it'll still be the same percentage as it currently is with there who being an overwhelming amount of tickets available for corporate and sponsors.

 

[Saoirse]

So according to reports THST are with other supporter groups advocating that Champions League finals are only held in stadiums of 75000 plus , so that cuts out The Lane and includes dumps like Wembley and the Ataturk Stadium venue for 2020 final. View attachment 52526
A 75000 minimum would limit the choice to about 10 stadiums in Europe with some countries missing out altogether, sounds like a rubbish idea.

• Capacity: Only stadiums with sufficiently large capacities should be selected. This would allow more tickets to be made available for the fans of both teams as well as the football family. It is proposed the ideal capacity for a Champions League final is in the region of 75,000 or greater, and for the Europa League final in the region of 55,000 or greater.

Wembley was annoying to play in for a whole year plus. But if you're offering me a ticket for a UCL final in the back few rows of Wembley, or not getting one at all because they don't exist in a smaller ground, I know which I'd prefer!

 

[Yiddo100]

So according to reports THST are with other supporter groups advocating that Champions League finals are only held in stadiums of 75000 plus , so that cuts out The Lane and includes dumps like Wembley and the Ataturk Stadium venue for 2020 final. View attachment 52526
A 75000 minimum would limit the choice to about 10 stadiums in Europe with some countries missing out altogether, sounds like a rubbish idea.

• Capacity: Only stadiums with sufficiently large capacities should be selected. This would allow more tickets to be made available for the fans of both teams as well as the football family. It is proposed the ideal capacity for a Champions League final is in the region of 75,000 or greater, and for the Europa League final in the region of 55,000 or greater.

Nothing wrong with the stadiums the finals are played at, its the fact the ‘real’ fans only get such a small percentage of tickets

 

[yiddopaul]

So according to reports THST are with other supporter groups advocating that Champions League finals are only held in stadiums of 75000 plus , so that cuts out The Lane and includes dumps like Wembley and the Ataturk Stadium venue for 2020 final. View attachment 52526
A 75000 minimum would limit the choice to about 10 stadiums in Europe with some countries missing out altogether, sounds like a rubbish idea.

• Capacity: Only stadiums with sufficiently large capacities should be selected. This would allow more tickets to be made available for the fans of both teams as well as the football family. It is proposed the ideal capacity for a Champions League final is in the region of 75,000 or greater, and for the Europa League final in the region of 55,000 or greater.

They could just give all the tickets to the proper fans and cut out the corporate. Just a thought. Then you could host it in a 62k+

 

[worcestersauce]

Presumably that includes Old Trafford which has already been ruled out because of its poor facilities.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

They could just give all the tickets to the proper fans and cut out the corporate. Just a thought. Then you could host it in a 62k+

Doubt UEFA are going to dramatically change the allocation even if a larger stadium is used plus capacities for UEFA games are normally lower than full capacity of the stadium due to segregation etc so the list of 75000 plus stadiums available is quite low. Fans will always complain https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44100193 , but when they allocate the stadium you don't know who is going to make the final.
Allocation of finals is all about who offers most, here are the 2021 contenders https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/newsid=2593491.html

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Should only be held at grounds that hold 500,000. Plenty or tickets for the real fans and still enough tickets for UEFA officials etc etc etc etc to make a killing selling them on and for all the corporate and their hangers on

Absolute nonsense the ground needs to hold 100,000. Sort out allocations more fairly

Another nonsense and big problem (re people thinking they are owed/deserve a ticket) is how many ST holders clubs have these days

 

[Dougal]

Should only be held at grounds that hold 500,000. Plenty or tickets for the real fans and still enough tickets for UEFA officials etc etc etc etc to make a killing selling them on and for all the corporate and their hangers on

Absolute nonsense the ground needs to hold 100,000. Sort out allocations more fairly

Another nonsense and big problem (re people thinking they are owed/deserve a ticket) is how many ST holders clubs have these days

That would be fairer but some seats might be, how shall I put this, Westhamesque...

 

[Saoirse]

I honestly think 60k is enough, especially if the allocation is a bit fairer. I missed out on Madrid tickets, but I think after these initial weird couple of years where most of our ST holders are new the ticketing system makes it pretty fair. If you go to home cup matches you'll have accumulated enough points for cup finals, if you don't go to home cup matches then you don't have any particular right to just swan up to the final.

Heck, for this year it went down to 180 points or so- if you were a pre-Wembley holder all you had to do was attend league and CL games and you'd have 180 exactly - you could get a CL final ticket having never, ever bothered with the Europa, domestic cups or an away match. And that's with a smaller final stadium and UEFA's crap distribution policy. Once the new ST holders are competing you'll actually need to have been to some cup games, but probably not even that many.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

That would be fairer but some seats might be, how shall I put this, Westhamesque...

Nah the view couldn’t possibly be as bad as that but I get your point

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Looks like the fans demands on stadiums hosting CL finals just about excludes every stadium in Europe https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48889694 for one reason or another, plus will the UK be banned from holding finals on the grounds of discrimination https://www.espn.co.uk/football/par...entry-visa-for-arsenal-game-due-to-conviction

 

[DanielCHillier]

So according to reports THST are with other supporter groups advocating that Champions League finals are only held in stadiums of 75000 plus , so that cuts out The Lane and includes dumps like Wembley and the Ataturk Stadium venue for 2020 final. View attachment 52526
A 75000 minimum would limit the choice to about 10 stadiums in Europe with some countries missing out altogether, sounds like a rubbish idea.

• Capacity: Only stadiums with sufficiently large capacities should be selected. This would allow more tickets to be made available for the fans of both teams as well as the football family. It is proposed the ideal capacity for a Champions League final is in the region of 75,000 or greater, and for the Europa League final in the region of 55,000 or greater.

Wasn't last seasons held in Atletico's new stadium which has a capacity of 67,829?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Wasn't last seasons held in Atletico's new stadium which has a capacity of 67,829?

Yes it was and because of segregation etc and other UEFA issues think the actual capacity was lower than that. These capacity proposals are only being put forward by supporter groups because they want a bigger allocation of tickets . The bizarre thing is that Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust are campaigning for the finest football stadium ( ours ) in the world never to be used for a Champions League final because it is not large enough. Doesn't matter which stadium they use some supporters will always be unhappy I believe when Dortmund got to the final few years back they had 250,000 applications for tickets!!

 

[Westmorlandspur]

So according to reports THST are with other supporter groups advocating that Champions League finals are only held in stadiums of 75000 plus , so that cuts out The Lane and includes dumps like Wembley and the Ataturk Stadium venue for 2020 final. View attachment 52526
A 75000 minimum would limit the choice to about 10 stadiums in Europe with some countries missing out altogether, sounds like a rubbish idea.

• Capacity: Only stadiums with sufficiently large capacities should be selected. This would allow more tickets to be made available for the fans of both teams as well as the football family. It is proposed the ideal capacity for a Champions League final is in the region of 75,000 or greater, and for the Europa League final in the region of 55,000 or greater.

Not a cat in hells chance. Not a lot of thought gone into this. The sponsors pay huge amounts of money and will demand a large share of tickets.

 

[RichieS]

Not a cat in hells chance. Not a lot of thought gone into this. The sponsors pay huge amounts of money and will demand a large share of tickets.

It does make me chuckle how football fans sometimes seem to think that sponsors put huge amounts of money into the game out of the kindness of their hearts.

 

[Lilbaz]

It does make me chuckle how football fans sometimes seem to think that sponsors put huge amounts of money into the game out of the kindness of their hearts.

I don't think he said it was through the kindness of their hearts. They want things. Tickets to events are some of those things, exposure being the main.

 

[RichieS]

I don't think he said it was through the kindness of their hearts. They want things. Tickets to events are some of those things, exposure being the main.

I was agreeing with @Westmorlandspur.

 

[Lilbaz]

I was agreeing with @Westmorlandspur.

Sorry mate. Bit drunk.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

It does make me chuckle how football fans sometimes seem to think that sponsors put huge amounts of money into the game out of the kindness of their hearts.

It’s like how sky and bt pour buckets of money into football and the fans complain about a Monday night match in Bournemouth away. Football has sold its soul to tv. Fans want to buy the best players and sky pay for them.
Personally it wouldn’t bother me if they all went bust and we went back 40 yrs...pay at the gate and all that. Get rid of these people who go to a match because it’s the thing to do. Some chance of thst

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The Club have won the Planning Appeal for the Goods Yard Development.

https://www.goodsyardtottenham.co.uk/

Spurs 1 Haringey 0 AET.

https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/ViewCase.aspx?caseid=3204591

Here's a link to an article in "Building Design", a weekly industry magazine, about the appeal decision.

If it's behind a paywall, I might be able to paste in the text.

The article concentrates on the Planning Inspector's decision as it dealt with the balance between "damage to heritage assets" (the existing station master’s house and the Grade-II listed Grange building) and the benefit to the neighbourhood generally. He considered that the benefit clearly outweighed the damage.

There's no mention of the affordable housing - that might be because the S.106 was agreed and signed off before the appeal took place, so it was no longer a matter of contention.

https://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/spurs-scores-appeal-win-on-housing-scheme/5100558.article?