New Stadium Details And Discussions

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

a key benefit to the club will be in more than just additional revenue. It will be on how the club is perceived by ourselves as fans, the players, opponents and potential players. It's intangible, cannot by any definition be quantified, but it is hugely important.

no matter how good the team was we could never be thought of as a genuinely elite european club in our old and old fashioned 36k WHL, no matter how much we loved it.

I've looked at 100's and 100's of pictures of the inside of the NWHL over the last few months but none of them did justice to how spectacular it is in the flesh. That Palace game cannot come soon enough. Just hope the players play the game and not the occasion because we cannot afford any more screw ups, but that's for another thread i guess.........COYS !!

Agreed. When you think of Dortmund you think of the yellow wall. Away from the extra revenue it builds our reputation, respect received, our global brand, there's so much that analytics or numbers can't put a figure on that will change due to our new kick up the ladder.

I haven't visited yet but for some to genuinely believe it's the best stadium in the world can only be a good thing for the intangible elements of our club. It may not be the best but it's unique as it offers something differen to any new build with its WHL spirit, it's closeness to the pitch, the fact it's on a high road and in such a busy area, not to mention how many more people are going to be able to watch Tottenham live now, which always makes you fall in love with the club more than just watching it on TV.

NFL games, eGaming, Rugby, concerts etc anything that attracts new blood who might get swayed into adding to our supporter numbers etc adds as well. It's not just about the 26,000 or so extra punters, it's worth so much more to that o our clubs brand, image and growth from player attraction through to how we are perceived to the man drinking down his local.

 

[Tiffers]

From today’s Daily Telegraph
Tottenham's awe-inspiring new home is a £1bn game-changer that could steal Wembley's thunder

• JASON BURT.

he Tottenham Hotspur Stadium – or whatever it will be called once the naming rights are sold – is more than a new stadium. And judging by the reaction to its first event, a test event involves the club’s Under-18s, that name should be the Wow Stadium.
It is a £1billion game-changer; a stadium that alters the landscape of sport in London; a stadium which has repercussions for English football and Tottenham’s standing in it but also for other sports and other arenas and what they might do - because it is now the best on the market.
Suddenly, or, rather, less suddenly given the frustrating over-run on its construction, it has arrived. The Emirates Stadium is still impressive, still a good football ground even if it lacks individuality, but Tottenham’s is a world-class, significant upgrade on what its rivals can offer and feels more bespoke and while West Ham United are making the best of the London Stadium it is simply not in the same bracket.
Above all, though, what does it mean for Wembley Stadium? The Football Association are acutely aware that despite the fact it opened just 12 years ago at a cost of £800million Wembley is in need of improvements – with £12million committed this year and a further £60million expected to be spent. The hope was that Fulham’s American billionaire owner Shahid Khan would take Wembley off the FA’s hands for £600million but that deal was kiboshed.

So the fear has to be that Wembley will be usurped especially with Spurs’ ambition to host concerts (the acoustics are first-rate and have been a big part of the planning) events and other sports – chiefly American football – to build a hotel and attract two million visitors a year. “We shall be a home for the NFL in London,” Spurs chairman Daniel Levy said and, in one stroke, that will take Wembley’s place and kudos in the United States.
The expectation is, with Spurs on the scene, other events will gravitate towards them and Wembley will be left to partly trade on its name (the one caveat, possibly a significant one, is that transport links to Wembley remain superior). Part of the attraction of Khan’s bid was what he could bring to Wembley beyond football.
“Their dedicated entrance, as well as dressing rooms and medical facilities in our East Stand, mean our stadium is the only one outside the United States specifically designed for the sport,” Levy added with Spurs having researched throughout the US, specifically the Dallas Cowboys vast, imposing stadium in Arlington and the futuristic, angular Minnesota Vikings stadium. Wembley cannot compete with that.
“One of the best of the best in the world,” Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino said of his club’s new home during Sunday’s first test event and it is no idle boast. It should be that – given it is the newest – but that is easier said than done and Spurs have achieved it. The extraordinary thing is that the £1billion cost, and it could be above that, the over-run, already feels like money very well spent. It looks value for money. It looks worth it. It is clear to see where the cash has gone.

Everyone who knows Levy not only talks about how demanding he is but how meticulous, also, and the stadium has the feel of his exacting standards – as well as an old-fashioned sense of one-upmanship. In the NBC documentary “To Dare Is To Do”, which aired in America in 2017, Levy admitted building a bigger stadium than Arsenal’s 60,260-capacity home “wasn’t the sole driver” for him (therefore it was a “driver”) and also spoke of the design meaning the fans are “five metres closer to the pitch than a comparable stadium in north London” (obvious who he was referring to there, then).

The 17,500-seat steeply-banked South Stand bis the largest single-tier stand in the UK CREDIT:REU
A spin through the dynamics and number show just how awesome – and is the right word – Spurs’ 62,062-seater stadium is. For example the 17,500-seat steeply-banked South Stand is the largest single-tier stand in the UK; the grass pitch can be removed in 25 minutes and can stay in a garage, in storage space under the South Stand, for up to 10 days where it is sustained by LED lighting, cooling and irrigation systems.
There are 1,800 HD TVs throughout the stadium and four bespoke main LED video displays totalling more than 1,000 square metres (enough to fill both penalty areas). The two screens on the South Stand are 325 square metres making them the largest in Europe while the floodlights use 50 per cent less energy than traditional, metal halide ones.

There are 471 WCs (84 per cent for women) and 773 urinals, 115 turnstiles, 265 wheelchair bays and even drinking water fountains. There are 65 food and drink outlets with 878 cashless payment points. It is the first football stadium to have its own microbrewery and the Goal Line Bar, at 65 metres, is claimed to be the longest in Europe.
The attraction is obvious and, for its rivals, over-powering.
Spurs are on a rapid upward trajectory.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

You mean Lewis and Levy.

I meant Pochettino. I was making that exact point. This is Pochettino's strategy, carried out to his designation, with Levy's full support.

Lewis isn't involved at all.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Quick question to all who also went on Sunday. I didnt see any bookies in there or really any areas where they might appear?

Did anybody see any (obviously closed if there were) signs of any, or know who, what off where they are going? I assume there is going to be some but just couldn't work out where they would naturally go?

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

I meant Pochettino. I was making that exact point. This is Pochettino's strategy, carried out to his designation, with Levy's full support.

Lewis isn't involved at all.

I'd be keen to know what you make of the rest of the league and it's owners over spending from their owners loans or shares over the last 5-10 years.

Teams like Bournemouth, Leicester etc seek to be spending far more than they make. Do you think this is sustainable and that these clubs will eventually just take a huge dip in fees they pay, wages etc? No need to answer obviously but I'm intrigued about your view on the future of the majority of the leagues teams

 

[coys200]

That is not really true - it probably won't be paid for about 20+ years, and by then, there will be new upgrades/updates needed to keep the Stadium up to date.

It is a Great stadium. It will be a great experience, and I think it will lift the club when they are playing. It will help financially.

It just is not a financial windfall. Thats all. This is not a negative, or any kind of knock on the stadium.

Completely disagree with you and think you are massively underplaying the earning potential of this stadium. They didn’t go to all the expense of installing the retractable pitch for no extra profit. You haven’t even considered the potential for a NFL franchise. If our revenue isn’t £500m + (now £380m) after 20/21 season I’ll be very surprised and that puts us right there with the elite in Europe. If we aren’t £500m + come 2021 happy to proved wrong.

 

[yankspurs]

Completely disagree with you and think you are massively underplaying the earning potential of this stadium. They didn’t go to all the expense of installing the retractable pitch for no extra profit. You haven’t even considered the potential for a NFL franchise. If our revenue isn’t £500m + (now £380m) after 20/21 season I’ll be very surprised and that puts us right there with the elite in Europe. If we aren’t £500m + come 2021 happy to proved wrong.

The NFL will not have a franchise in Europe. More chance of the NFL being nonexistant in 20 years than having a franchise based outside of the United States. We’ll just end up taking over the remaining Wembley games.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I'd be keen to know what you make of the rest of the league and it's owners over spending from their owners loans or shares over the last 5-10 years.

Teams like Bournemouth, Leicester etc seek to be spending far more than they make. Do you think this is sustainable and that these clubs will eventually just take a huge dip in fees they pay, wages etc? No need to answer obviously but I'm intrigued about your view on the future of the majority of the leagues teams

If I knew enough about it, I expect I'd have an informed opinion. But I don't... I can hazard a guess, that's all.

I'd guess that Bournemouth, Brighton, Leicester and Watford are founding their spend on the increased TV revenue, but it still makes them very reliant on not getting relegated. They're well-managed clubs with talented football managers and the first two have had the sense to stick with their talented managers through periods of dubious form.

Wolves are different. They're more like a mini-Man-City, because they're being bankrolled by an owner who doesn't mind making a loss.

 

[C0YS]

That is not really true - it probably won't be paid for about 20+ years, and by then, there will be new upgrades/updates needed to keep the Stadium up to date.

It is a Great stadium. It will be a great experience, and I think it will lift the club when they are playing. It will help financially.

It just is not a financial windfall. Thats all. This is not a negative, or any kind of knock on the stadium.

The stadium was very much built with finances in mind and it seriously strengthens our financial position. Ok its not oil money but it will put us at least on the same level as arsenal and Liverpool in terms of finances. That's a big deal and was a big bridge to cross. It also gives us a lot of flexibility in terms of ffp. Particularly as we can up wages and all that and the stadium debt doesn't even count towards ffp. This means we could increase our wage budgets by a hell of a lot.

I mean, no, it doesn't make us super rich overnight but it actually will cement us as a top 6 clip.with top 6 earnings, something we never had before.

It's worth reading the Swiss ramble on just how a stadium will impact us
Theyve been saying for years that until it was built we would hit a break wall. However much I hate to say it whl was holding us down financially, not just in terms of overall attendance but in terms of corporate income. Being able to compete financially with even arsenal or Liverpool is something we have never had. Id call it a game changer for sure.

 

[coys200]

From today’s Daily Telegraph
Tottenham's awe-inspiring new home is a £1bn game-changer that could steal Wembley's thunder

• JASON BURT.

he Tottenham Hotspur Stadium – or whatever it will be called once the naming rights are sold – is more than a new stadium. And judging by the reaction to its first event, a test event involves the club’s Under-18s, that name should be the Wow Stadium.
It is a £1billion game-changer; a stadium that alters the landscape of sport in London; a stadium which has repercussions for English football and Tottenham’s standing in it but also for other sports and other arenas and what they might do - because it is now the best on the market.
Suddenly, or, rather, less suddenly given the frustrating over-run on its construction, it has arrived. The Emirates Stadium is still impressive, still a good football ground even if it lacks individuality, but Tottenham’s is a world-class, significant upgrade on what its rivals can offer and feels more bespoke and while West Ham United are making the best of the London Stadium it is simply not in the same bracket.
Above all, though, what does it mean for Wembley Stadium? The Football Association are acutely aware that despite the fact it opened just 12 years ago at a cost of £800million Wembley is in need of improvements – with £12million committed this year and a further £60million expected to be spent. The hope was that Fulham’s American billionaire owner Shahid Khan would take Wembley off the FA’s hands for £600million but that deal was kiboshed.

So the fear has to be that Wembley will be usurped especially with Spurs’ ambition to host concerts (the acoustics are first-rate and have been a big part of the planning) events and other sports – chiefly American football – to build a hotel and attract two million visitors a year. “We shall be a home for the NFL in London,” Spurs chairman Daniel Levy said and, in one stroke, that will take Wembley’s place and kudos in the United States.
The expectation is, with Spurs on the scene, other events will gravitate towards them and Wembley will be left to partly trade on its name (the one caveat, possibly a significant one, is that transport links to Wembley remain superior). Part of the attraction of Khan’s bid was what he could bring to Wembley beyond football.
“Their dedicated entrance, as well as dressing rooms and medical facilities in our East Stand, mean our stadium is the only one outside the United States specifically designed for the sport,” Levy added with Spurs having researched throughout the US, specifically the Dallas Cowboys vast, imposing stadium in Arlington and the futuristic, angular Minnesota Vikings stadium. Wembley cannot compete with that.
“One of the best of the best in the world,” Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino said of his club’s new home during Sunday’s first test event and it is no idle boast. It should be that – given it is the newest – but that is easier said than done and Spurs have achieved it. The extraordinary thing is that the £1billion cost, and it could be above that, the over-run, already feels like money very well spent. It looks value for money. It looks worth it. It is clear to see where the cash has gone.

Everyone who knows Levy not only talks about how demanding he is but how meticulous, also, and the stadium has the feel of his exacting standards – as well as an old-fashioned sense of one-upmanship. In the NBC documentary “To Dare Is To Do”, which aired in America in 2017, Levy admitted building a bigger stadium than Arsenal’s 60,260-capacity home “wasn’t the sole driver” for him (therefore it was a “driver”) and also spoke of the design meaning the fans are “five metres closer to the pitch than a comparable stadium in north London” (obvious who he was referring to there, then).

The 17,500-seat steeply-banked South Stand bis the largest single-tier stand in the UK CREDIT:REU
A spin through the dynamics and number show just how awesome – and is the right word – Spurs’ 62,062-seater stadium is. For example the 17,500-seat steeply-banked South Stand is the largest single-tier stand in the UK; the grass pitch can be removed in 25 minutes and can stay in a garage, in storage space under the South Stand, for up to 10 days where it is sustained by LED lighting, cooling and irrigation systems.
There are 1,800 HD TVs throughout the stadium and four bespoke main LED video displays totalling more than 1,000 square metres (enough to fill both penalty areas). The two screens on the South Stand are 325 square metres making them the largest in Europe while the floodlights use 50 per cent less energy than traditional, metal halide ones.

There are 471 WCs (84 per cent for women) and 773 urinals, 115 turnstiles, 265 wheelchair bays and even drinking water fountains. There are 65 food and drink outlets with 878 cashless payment points. It is the first football stadium to have its own microbrewery and the Goal Line Bar, at 65 metres, is claimed to be the longest in Europe.
The attraction is obvious and, for its rivals, over-powering.
Spurs are on a rapid upward trajectory.

For all Jason Burt praise. A crucial part in the success of this stadium as a multipurpose venue is the surrounding area. If all the talked of redevelopment actually happens and the surrounding area becomes halfway decent the sky’s the limit for this venue imo.

 

[Lilbaz]

Completely disagree with you and think you are massively underplaying the earning potential of this stadium. They didn’t go to all the expense of installing the retractable pitch for no extra profit. You haven’t even considered the potential for a NFL franchise. If our revenue isn’t £500m + (now £380m) after 20/21 season I’ll be very surprised and that puts us right there with the elite in Europe. If we aren’t £500m + come 2021 happy to proved wrong.

You realise that the £380m figure was up to june last year and includes our season at wembley (£40m matchday turnover was from the lane) and reaching the cl knockout stage? Yes we had to pay rent but that wouldn't effect turnover. We have just signed long term sponsorship deals so there will be no extra revenue from there. Nfl have already given us money to help with the new stadium.
Where on earth do you think we are going to get another £120m from?

 

[EighteenEightyTwo]

Quick question to all who also went on Sunday. I didnt see any bookies in there or really any areas where they might appear?

Did anybody see any (obviously closed if there were) signs of any, or know who, what off where they are going? I assume there is going to be some but just couldn't work out where they would naturally go?

There are no bookies, but with perfect wifi they're not really necessary anymore.

 

[coys200]

You realise that the £380m figure was up to june last year and includes our season at wembley (£40m matchday turnover was from the lane) and reaching the cl knockout stage? Yes we had to pay rent but that wouldn't effect turnover. We have just signed long term sponsorship deals so there will be no extra revenue from there. Nfl have already given us money to help with the new stadium.
Where on earth do you think we are going to get another £120m from?

I think the gate receipts from Wembley were £80-85m. ST then went up 15-20% on average. So I’d expect another £20m at least in gate receipts. Naming rights £20m. NFL + 16 non football events £20m ( that’s being conservative imo. Extra from massively increased food/drink plus far superior hospitality £10m again conservative imo. So we’re already at £450m without loads of bit and bobs and our increased global brand growth and natural growth that has happened season on season anyhow. I’m sure you’ll disagree with these figures as you have your own agenda set. But I’m confident these are easily achievable. Just consider the test events probably brought in £1.5-2m all this stuff adds up. They said the shop was expected £8m revenue alone. There so much stuff you haven’t considered that will all add up.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

There are no bookies, but with perfect wifi they're not really necessary anymore.

I get the digital betting, but surprised not to see any onsite presence considering William Hill signed a new deal with us just 10 months ago.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think the gate receipts from Wembley were £80-85m. ST then went up 15-20% on average. So I’d expect another £20m at least in gate receipts. Naming rights £20m. NFL + 16 non football events £20m ( that’s being conservative imo. Extra from massively increased food/drink plus far superior hospitality £10m again conservative imo. So we’re already at £450m without loads of bit and bobs and our increased global brand growth and natural growth that has happened season on season anyhow. I’m sure you’ll disagree with these figures as you have your own agenda set. But I’m confident these are easily achievable. Just consider the test events probably brought in £1.5-2m all this stuff adds up. They said the shop was expected £8m revenue alone. There so much stuff you haven’t considered that will all add up.

What is my agenda?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The big additional cost that people are leaving out of their estimates is the one we have finally stopped paying. The rent at Wembley. It's been a seven figure sum per match and we have played about 20 more matches there than we anticipated, including cups.

What no one knows is how much of this will be recoverable through the inevitable dispute over liability for late completion. None of us knows what the liquidated damages clause stipulates ...and it usually ends up as a commercial settlement anyway.

 

[Roynie]

You know that word that Americans use at the drop of a hat but seems a bit over the top when we use it in England, youknow the word, Awsome, well sometimes, very rarely, it is the perfect word, our new stadium is awsome.
Got there today nice and early wandered all round outside just soaking it up, we'd come home, went in pretty much straight after they opened the doors at 1:00, first had to queue at the bottom of the stairs then had to queue at the top of the stairs for the security arches and finally had to queue to get into the stadium itself all good natured and to be honest I doubt it will be a problem in future as it was really down to everyone going in one great mass, ten minutes later fans were just walking up through and in, nice touch as I went into the stadium itself, a lovely young lady looked at me smiled and said welcome back.
As I went into the South Stand I noticed a bar downstairs but made my way up a floor and noshed down on a pie and pint for a fiver then went back for a superb sausage roll, looking out through the atrium glass and there's London spread out in front of you, Canary warf, the City and best of all Ally Pally looking grand up on the hill.
Half time I went down to have a look at the bar downstairs, bar my arse, it was amazing, Market Place and it was a sports bar doubled and really jumping, good beer good food and good atmosphere, by the end of the game there was a party going on down there, Levy's idea of staying behind for a drink and a bite to eat makes sense now and will work, it's like nothing you've seen in any other ground.
That's about it really, oh wait, the football bit, the actual bowl bit where all sit and stand and sing and teams play football, well you remember that word I mentioned at the beginning? That's the one, Awsome! It's gonna be bloody superb, the stands seem almost perpendicular and so close to the pitch it really is a purpose built football ground and if you didn't make it today, when you see it you are going to love it you really are. Our club really is a touch of class.

When I started reading your post, I really wanted to correct your punctuation! But I read on, and the punctuation became irrelevant. Your passion for the event and the stadium, shone through. You built a wonderful picture of the stadium, in words.

Almost because of the ??? punctuation!

Wicked! I really can't wait to go.

 

[littlewilly]

When I started reading your post, I really wanted to correct your punctuation! But I read on, and the punctuation became irrelevant. Your passion for the event and the stadium, shone through. You built a wonderful picture of the stadium, in words.

Almost because of the ??? punctuation!

Wicked! I really can't wait to go.

I got a bit sidetracked by "awsome".

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

I get the excitment, our date just turned up at prom in the best suit with the awsomest wheels, and we’re the proud, happy (pretty) chick at his side but we want to win that prom #showsameambitiononthepitch

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

One thing I noticed when I watched the u18 highlights is we see, to have a couple of doorways where the East and west stand meet the South Stand. Does anyone know what these are for?

We have another in the Northwest corner as well, along with the big enterance for the NFL tunnel. All four corners have doorways which seems a little bizarre as no other new builds have so many, usually one or two at the most.