New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Lighty64]

Halon has nothing to do with it. Spurs arent having a Halon system. And its dangerous, thats not the same as complicated to design and install.

We'll have to disagree mate.
Im not saying its so simple Gary from next door could have popped down B&Q grabbed a few detectors, a bit of FP200 and slapped it in in 2 months.
But for qualified experienced Fire alarm 'specialists' to fuck up so badly on such a large job is pathetic. Gary could have done a better job.

Your engineer going to site every week is probably down to problems with tempremental equiment, not a design or installation issue becuse its a complicated system.
Every building is different for the installation of everything in the building for electrics, plumbing etc and while that throws up different problems to overcome it doesnt make it a complicated system.
These arent the type of probems we have had if this tweet is to be believed.
We've had incorrect cable installed, insufficient detectors and are trying to install an untested prototype control system that we've now discovered doesn't fkin work.
This has been a complete incompetance from the start.

Its like me installing AC throughout the stadium and discovering we have refrigerant leaks everywhere because we've used water pipe instead of refrigeration pipe which is also the wrong size, the fan coils arent adequate to cool that area anyway and the outdoor units cant run that many indoor units so we'll have to start again from scratch.
And the AC isnt a critical safety system but you'd still make absolutely fkin 100% damn sure everything you were doing was bang on the money before you began slapping the bloody thing in.
Utter incompetance.

I'm proper pissed off lol.

I must of read it different, can't find the exact post/tweet, but thought it was a case of too many detectors being installed and the panels can't cope.

apolgies if I'm wrong

 

[slartibartfast]

I must of read it different, can't find the exact post/tweet, but thought it was a case of too many detectors being installed and the panels can't cope.

apolgies if I'm wrong

Maybe but I doubt itheres too many installed but rather this shot (edit- shit) panel cant cope.
It'll be an addressable system, every detector or call point will have its own id to talk to the panel, and they'll be in zones with sub panels all over the shop. Same as wherever you work probably and thousands of other sites.
Thats the thing, from what Ive heard there isnt one single aspect of the entire fkin installation that has been done correctly or works!
Truly mind boggling.
Edit- sorry I never read your post correctly and initially replied its probably that the panel cant cope rather than too many detectors lol.

 

[Lighty64]

Maybe but I doubt itheres too many installed but rather this shot (edit- shit) panel cant cope.
It'll be an addressable system, every detector or call point will have its own id to talk to the panel, and they'll be in zones with sub panels all over the shop. Same as wherever you work probably and thousands of other sites.
Thats the thing, from what Ive heard there isnt one single aspect of the entire fkin installation that has been done correctly or works!
Truly mind boggling.
Edit- sorry I never read your post correctly and initially replied its probably that the panel cant cope rather than too many detectors lol.

the only fire system I have is a fire extinguisher in my boot, being a taxi driver in Hertfordshire means I know F'all about building projects even after following most of the 1985 pages on here

 

[Hoopspur]

New timelapse from edward.

I find the second part a bit melancholy actually. A bit like my feelings about the stadium build....

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The non electric version is awful.
Bit like the Stadium
innit

I can't agree with that - I like both version personally

 

[JimmyG2]

I can't agree with that - I like both version personally

Having grown up
with the original Layla
I find the acoustic version
grungy and slow.
It distorts the sense
and drive really badly.

But it wouldn't do
for all of us
to be the same.

 

[Sandro30]

NFL London schedule for later this year is being announced at 3. It's supposed to be 2 games for us but guess we will see.

 

[yankspurs]

NFL London schedule for later this year is being announced at 3. It's supposed to be 2 games for us but guess we will see.

That’s 4 games for Wembley then

 

[14/04/91]

NFL London schedule for later this year is being announced at 3. It's supposed to be 2 games for us but guess we will see.

The 4 London matches have been announced but the venues for each game are confirmed at the same time as the full NFL schedule.

 

[Sandro30]

The 4 London matches have been announced but the venues for each game are confirmed at the same time as the full NFL schedule.

Some pretty underwhelming games too, unfortunately.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Having grown up
with the original Layla
I find the acoustic version
grungy and slow.
It distorts the sense
and drive really badly.

But it wouldn't do
for all of us
to be the same.

Out
of
interest

Why
do
you
write
like
that?

 

[Sweech]

Out
of
interest

Why
do
you
write
like
that?

I like imagining that he's saying it and has to take a massive gulp of air after saying each line.

 

[JimmyG2]

Out
of
interest

Why
do
you
write
like
that?

Don't exaggerate.
It's copy-write anyway.
However for a small fee
just send Bank details

 

[jonnyp]

Don't exaggerate.
It's copy-write anyway.
However for a small fee
just send Bank details

Oh I get it now. You are that 70s rapper. From wiki: Copywrite (rapper) (born 1978), underground hip-hop artist from Columbus, Ohio.

With "rhyming skills" like that no wonder you are looking for cash money.

 

[Hoopspur]

Make the best of the situation
Before I finally go insane
Please don't say we'll never find a way
Or tell me all my faith’s in vain

Levy, you got me on my knees
Levy, I am begging, Chairman, please
Levy and Tyco, won't you ease my worried mind?

 

[hugrr]

The panel has to be able to communicte with other devices made by different companies. Doorcontrollers, spinkler systems, gas, electric, gas suppression, the fire brigade, other panels in the building, thousands of smokeheads, heat detectors, break glass units, address systems, alarms, lifts etc...

Connecting to other systems isn't complicated at all, the majority of connections will either be loop/panel relays switching stuff on/off (which is simple to program), or monitoring inputs (ie when a surpression system in a fried chicken place goes off, it activates the fire alarm system, which is essentially the same as a callpoint activating). The only more complex thing would be if you had it activating something like a pager system/BMS display which shows full text, in which case that would run off of a printer output from a panel that can display any alarm activation on site.

The most complex part is having the panel programmed properly. As a hypothetical example, there's a fire alarm activation in Kitchen A, the sounders activate in & around kitchen A constantly, & the gas for kitchen A shuts off, the sounders in the areas further outside of that area activate intermittently, & the main panel triggers the monitoring to call out the fire brigade. How the panel responds to an activation in any area should be agreed already, so programming should just be a case of setting this up as per the plan, it'll take a fair amount of time but won't be hard.

 

[hugrr]

Agree to disagree.

We will most likely be having halon in the server rooms though.

Halon is banned in the UK for fire fighting except for military, most server rooms use FM200 or similar rather than CO2. You can stay in the room when a properly set up FM200 bottle dumps gas in the room, do the same with a CO2 system & you're dead.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

There are so many people with zero knowledge of the construction industry who feel entitled to pontificate on how simple it should be to rectify an integrated, software-controlled, multi-purpose alarm system for a 62k stadium. Y'know, it's just like a portable fire extinguisher, or the smoke alarm in a takeaway. Nothing like automated lifts and escalators that stop when an alarm is triggered, automatically-operated smoke vents, exit doors that fly open, software that integrates input from smoke sensors, CO sensors and heat sensors, illuminated signage to indicate escape routes, notification of the Fire Brigade and other emergency services...

I reckon they're the same people who kept braying on in a paranoid manner about how it was all a misdirection, how the whole stadium build was months behind and the problems with the alarm system and its wiring couldn't possibly be causing so much delay. Plainly, it could and it has.

FFS. So much arrogance.

 

[hugrr]

There are so many people with zero knowledge of the construction industry who feel entitled to pontificate on how simple it should be to rectify an integrated, software-controlled, multi-purpose alarm system for a 62k stadium. Y'know, it's just like a portable fire extinguisher, or the smoke alarm in a takeaway. Nothing like automated lifts and escalators that stop when an alarm is triggered, automatically-operated smoke vents, exit doors that fly open, software that integrates input from smoke sensors, CO sensors and heat sensors, illuminated signage to indicate escape routes, notification of the Fire Brigade and other emergency services...

I reckon they're the same people who kept braying on in a paranoid manner about how it was all a misdirection, how the whole stadium build was months behind and the problems with the alarm system and its wiring couldn't possibly be causing so much delay. Plainly, it could and it has.

FFS. So much arrogance.

At the end of the day it's a control system made up of many simple parts. Listing off the things it triggers & that it has differing types of detection doesn't make it any more complex, that's stuff that is simple to program, it's what a fire alarm is designed for. And escape lighting is a separate system (though the fire alarm can be programmed to turn on lights if need be).

The issues they are having are more to do with design & installation, & that the panels haven't been able to run what's there as it's currently configured.

 

[Flashspur]

Still a fuck up though ?