Blockbuster
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Could you imagine Spurs being done by brexit.... only spurs!
New Stadium Details And Discussions
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TottenhamMattSpur
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Originally Posted by norskire
There are many reasons to worry - just not ones that include "re-writing software in panels" (can't re-write something that never existed), "replacing all panels" (I seem to have seen quite a bit of electricity in use in the gaff these last few months), or any of the other stuff that sounds all technical and ITK but doesn't mean doodleysquat and which you keep re-posting here, especially from one particular twitterer. Whatever else may be wrong and irresponsible with such silly repetition of absolute codswallop, it also triggers all the nervous nellies, "Indignant from Tunbridge Wells", Daily Hate-Mailers, and other members of the green-ink brigade into activity (see below) which, I suspect, may even be the real motive behind it all anyway:
As far as I could glean from talking to building control people, the issue now is that the contractor and club have decided not to pursue the original certification path that had formed the basis of the original schedule for completion of Phase Two. Because of the time taken to check and re-certify both the integrated safety control system and its underlying electrical network all parties have now decided in the interests of speed and economy to incorporate the safety certification into the sign-off certification process, and at the moment this is being negotiated. Using this approach both Haringey and the club require the principal contractor basically to produce all the certification for each outstanding installation in one package (big implications for liability there which both Mace and the club had shied away from in their original roll-out strategy). This needs to be done in a manner and over a period in which the test events and other items of scrutiny for which Haringey building control are responsible can be undertaken as part of the sign-off process (the "Phase Two" sign-off now being a major part of the occupancy permit, which it wasn't before). The implications of this new delivery strategy are obvious, I would have thought, and explain very much the tone and content of the club's recent updates.
If I really wanted to adopt flashspur's discombobulated jitters and indignant angst-venting when thinking about how and when this construction project will pan out, I would probably concentrate less on what so far has been quite a usual complication that exists in delivery of big builds, and instead think ahead with no small amount of nervy dread to what happens in just a few weeks time with regard to NDP's viability in the face of Britain crashing out of EU customs agreements, labour mobility agreements, and all the other international trade facilities provided through EU membership and which this construction has utilised to the full - a construction that is now about to enter a final building phase on which the whole economic viability of the project was ultimately dependent.
No software or panels were harmed in the making of this stadium ... just the feelings of some rather entitled and ill-informed opinion-junkies.
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I read that and asked the simple question - what makes him such an authority?
Yes, he's used lots of long words making him sound clever. What he hasn't done is provide any evidence he's an authority in the field of fire alarm panels, how they work in 2019, what has happened and how he knows about it.
It's literally a long winded post having a pop at people, as he always does. There's a few of them.
dagraham
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Think you might be thinking of Jones Lang Lasalle? Property investment/managing agents, rather than building contractors.
Regardless, I think at this stage we all wish it was someone other than Mace!
Lilbaz
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My bad. Good few years ago now.
TottenhamMattSpur
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Amazing coincidence. I never knew what your profile picture was until some one in my team was going on about watching the Punisher this weekend. I looked it up on IMDB and there it was.
Just as I got a notification you posted in here.
True story.
mil1lion
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Well he's hardly ITK. It's all very much 3rd pary information.
There are lot of people working on the stadium and everyone has an opinion on it. Some are very negative and others more positive. I think it's safe to say that none really know for sure when it will be ready though. It's all very much guess work from people wanting to be recognised as ITK on the new stadium. Everyone seems to want to call it right, I guess it feeds their egos. Someone is going to guess it right because everyone is giving different timescales. I'm sure there are still legitimate people working on the stadium who just want to keep us up to date on what's happening. Once people start going off on one though, like they have some sort of agenda, I can't help but feel they're just looking for attention. I guess that's what you get with the needy social media generation.
I have much preferred following the stuff from Chris Cowlin and Ally Gold than some of the others. They're not so interested in getting the big scoop on when it will open. Their focus is more on what's happening and helping give us fans an insight. They're also more focused on what really matters, the quality of this incredible stadium. At the end of the day that's the more important subject. A stadium that could be around for 100 years. Whenever it opens this year in the long run it's going to prove pretty irrelevant how long it took. 2 seasons away from home to build such an impressive stadium is not that bad really. I'm just glad we have a squad that is strong enough mentally now to still compete at the top level while it's going on. Maybe the situation would have been different under previous managers. We'd probably have joined Villa in the Championship while it was happening. Only then could these delays be such a big issue as it's being made out to be.
There are lot of people working on the stadium and everyone has an opinion on it. Some are very negative and others more positive. I think it's safe to say that none really know for sure when it will be ready though. It's all very much guess work from people wanting to be recognised as ITK on the new stadium. Everyone seems to want to call it right, I guess it feeds their egos. Someone is going to guess it right because everyone is giving different timescales. I'm sure there are still legitimate people working on the stadium who just want to keep us up to date on what's happening. Once people start going off on one though, like they have some sort of agenda, I can't help but feel they're just looking for attention. I guess that's what you get with the needy social media generation.
I have much preferred following the stuff from Chris Cowlin and Ally Gold than some of the others. They're not so interested in getting the big scoop on when it will open. Their focus is more on what's happening and helping give us fans an insight. They're also more focused on what really matters, the quality of this incredible stadium. At the end of the day that's the more important subject. A stadium that could be around for 100 years. Whenever it opens this year in the long run it's going to prove pretty irrelevant how long it took. 2 seasons away from home to build such an impressive stadium is not that bad really. I'm just glad we have a squad that is strong enough mentally now to still compete at the top level while it's going on. Maybe the situation would have been different under previous managers. We'd probably have joined Villa in the Championship while it was happening. Only then could these delays be such a big issue as it's being made out to be.
worcestersauce
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What about the building control people he spoke to who don't seem to have given an opinion just confirmed the change in process to get the certification sign off, that seemed pretty certain didn't it? It's not something I've seen anywhere else so surely that is new information isn't it?
robertgoulet
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Certain and pretty detailed.
danielneeds
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I think it’s 100% the reason it’s happened. By all accounts the chaos on the site at the end of the summer led to too many shortcuts and mistakes being made and avoidable problems being created.
TottenhamMattSpur
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I try to say this to the mrs. Sometimes slowing down a job can actually get it done quicker.
Almost always forget something when I rush. Wallet, keys, cutlery for the little one, 30,000 wires for a fire control panel, you know the things.
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danielneeds
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I’m still somewhat swayed by the idea of sabotage in this fire panel business. But then, even if it was done on purpose, it shouldn’t have even been possible if the site had been properly managed.
Lilbaz
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What has brexit got to do with the fire panel?
Coyboy
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I was referring to that ITK posted a page or two back.
Tottenhamboy85
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Yes, Chris Cowlin is there again.
dondo
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I was there at that time and it’s the reason I left.
It was complete chaos, me and around 15 guys were waiting around for days and days for the management and supervisors to organise the work and when they did it was generally the wrong information and the work had to be pulled out anyway.
I eventually had enough when my supposed supervisor gave me a bollocking for not working when I had told him for days that we had nothing to do. They seemed more interested in looking busy and clocking the hours than actually doing anything.
By the way this was a 2 bob company sub contracting off tyco doing the fire alarm system
I was there at that time and it’s the reason I left.
It was complete chaos, me and around 15 guys were waiting around for days and days for the management and supervisors to organise the work and when they did it was generally the wrong information and the work had to be pulled out anyway.
I eventually had enough when my supposed supervisor gave me a bollocking for not working when I had told him for days that we had nothing to do. They seemed more interested in looking busy and clocking the hours than actually doing anything.
By the way this was a 2 bob company sub contracting off tyco doing the fire alarm system
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beats1
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Yes but not by much but it will involve doing what Man City did and extending the seats downwards but it will mean removing the removable pitch
