New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Trees]

Based on what?

I run a soft landscaping company and 95% of our work is site work. As a rule, nearly every site that we work on is running late. The standard of work is poor and is nearly always snagged. Great intentions by the club, but for example a fortnight of snow next winter could cripple the programme. Just my two penneth work.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

I run a soft landscaping company and 95% of our work is site work. As a rule, nearly every site that we work on is running late. The standard of work is poor and is nearly always snagged. Great intentions by the club, but for example a fortnight of snow next winter could cripple the programme. Just my two penneth work.

How many of those sites are personally being over seen by overlord and high commander Daniel Levy???

Never discount the Levy factor

 

[LDNYid]

Brent's dominated by Labour politically so they have no reason to care what the locals think - decision will have been made based on economics.

Oh, now I remember... the Tories are the people's champions aren't they?!

 

[spursfan77]

I run a soft landscaping company and 95% of our work is site work. As a rule, nearly every site that we work on is running late. The standard of work is poor and is nearly always snagged. Great intentions by the club, but for example a fortnight of snow next winter could cripple the programme. Just my two penneth work.

Great insight into your user name!

Seriously though thanks for the info. Hopefully it should be ok but you're right, adverse weather might change the programme. Let's hope it's ok, London hasn't seen snow for a few years (I'm aware I've just given it the kiss of death!).

 

[DanielCHillier]

I run a soft landscaping company and 95% of our work is site work. As a rule, nearly every site that we work on is running late. The standard of work is poor and is nearly always snagged. Great intentions by the club, but for example a fortnight of snow next winter could cripple the programme. Just my two penneth work.

Snagging will have been factored into the schedule, and the majority of time will be interior fit out, so snow wouldn't effect that, and I don't think London has ever had a fortnight of snow, maybe a week at absolute worst.

 

[worcestersauce]

Just wondering, I have no reason to think it might be necessary, but could we begin the season with three quarters of the stadium completed if need be?
It would probably only be the internals that might not be done so I'd expect the roof to be on.

 

[Col_M]

I'm hardly an expert, but i have some background in structural engineering, so I'll give you my take on it.

The most basic thing is stability. If you stack coins, you want the heavier coins at the bottom and the lighter at the top.

Secondly, there's a difference between compressive and tensile stress. My assumption is that there's a higher share of compressive stress at the bottom than at the top, and concrete has an incredible compressive capacity. Its tensile strength, on the other hand, is next to nothing, which is why reinforcements are needed.

Now reinforced concrete is, generally speaking, the best, cheapest and most applicable construction material there is. That's why it's so widely used. But it's also very heavy, which means that the dead load from the concrete contributes a lot to the total load on the structure. So if there's a high share of tensile loads in a part of the construction, the use of concrete might actually make things worse. This is why you rarely see concrete in cantilever beams that support a roof. Steel, on the other hand, is equally strong both ways.

Thirdly, there's the cost point of view. You basically want a construction to be as close to its capacity as possible. The loads go all the way from the top, through the construction and down to the foundation, so quite simply the loads will be higher at the bottom than at the top. Which means two things:

1. You want to reduce the cumulative loads at the bottom as much as possible.
2. The upper part of the construction can be weaker than the bottom.

Based on that, it makes a lot of sense to have a heavier, more solid construction at the bottom, and a lighter construction at the top.

So you're saying we WILL be able to buy popcorn at the match, yea?

 

[Chinaspur]

Everton are going to publish the details of their new proposed stadium today. Wonder if they will try and beat the 61,000 capacity

Edit: although they might just be announcing the land they are buying and the location of the new stadium

Liverpool Council guaranteeing all the loans needed. Did this happen for us?

 

[NickHSpurs]

As much as I want the new stadium ASAP part of me is hoping we stay at WHL one more season. Our form there is incredible at the moment and I think we need another season as title challengers to establish ourselves further. I'm not sure we would be at Wembley.

 

[worcestersauce]

Liverpool Council guaranteeing all the loans needed. Did this happen for us?

Why would Liverpool council guarantee all the loans for us?

 

[Riandor]

As much as I want the new stadium ASAP part of me is hoping we stay at WHL one more season. Our form there is incredible at the moment and I think we need another season as title challengers to establish ourselves further. I'm not sure we would be at Wembley.

I know what you mean.
We have struggled so far at Wembley and the increased dimensions of that stadium and the increase to our own means transition. Will we be the same dominant force at the temporary home and going into the new stadium?

Arsenal struggled, but they got there... teams and their fans adapt, but it can halt momentum. That said, we just have to adapt quickly, because as nostalgic as it is to keep WHL, the club must move on to bigger things. Wembley opens up avenues that staying at WHL doesn't and we just have to hope that our European and domestic cup expererience (after we play Chelsea) will put us in good stead for the coming season. After all, there will be no fortress WHL to fall back on, its make Wembley ours time.

 

[thebenjamin]

As much as I want the new stadium ASAP part of me is hoping we stay at WHL one more season. Our form there is incredible at the moment and I think we need another season as title challengers to establish ourselves further. I'm not sure we would be at Wembley.

There is that. In footballing terms it's horrific timing for us to move now, when we're practically unbeatable at home. Even coming top 4 next season with zero home advantage is highly unlikely. Zero chance of a title challenge.

The other side of the coin is that players like Toby and Hugo are probably hanging on to play a season at the new stadium before they move - so if it's delayed another season they could well see that as too long to wait and leave this summer.

 

[Chris Flynn]

I know what you mean.
We have struggled so far at Wembley and the increased dimensions of that stadium and the increase to our own means transition. Will we be the same dominant force at the temporary home and going into the new stadium?

Arsenal struggled, but they got there... teams and their fans adapt, but it can halt momentum. That said, we just have to adapt quickly, because as nostalgic as it is to keep WHL, the club must move on to bigger things. Wembley opens up avenues that staying at WHL doesn't and we just have to hope that our European and domestic cup expererience (after we play Chelsea) will put us in good stead for the coming season. After all, there will be no fortress WHL to fall back on, its make Wembley ours time.

And if we get used to it, it will give us an advantage in future cup finals!

 

[thebenjamin]

So we'll know by the end of this month whether we're moving out and the stadium will be ready for the end of next season. I wonder if they even know for sure at the moment. Looking at the schedule it seems like any significant delay in construction would mean it wouldn't be ready in time - a giant risk and we'd be looking at playing 2 seasons at Wembley. I still would not be at all surprised if we stayed next season at WHL.

 

[Lilbaz]

So we'll know by the end of this month whether we're moving out and the stadium will be ready for the end of next season. I wonder if they even know for sure at the moment. Looking at the schedule it seems like any significant delay in construction would mean it wouldn't be ready in time - a giant risk and we'd be looking at playing 2 seasons at Wembley. I still would not be at all surprised if we stayed next season at WHL.

We know already that we're moving out. Brent council didn't piss off their residents by granting extra events at wembley at full capacity for shits and giggles.

 

[thebenjamin]

We know already that we're moving out. Brent council didn't piss off their residents by granting extra events at wembley at full capacity for shits and giggles.

They could just carry that forward to the season after. We still haven't told Wembley we're going there, so until we do that, there's considerable doubt. Particularly given the deafening silence from THFC on this being the last ever season at WHL. No fanfare, no nothing.

 

[Goldman]

So we'll know by the end of this month whether we're moving out

Decision could be delayed until April according to Tom Collomosse at the Standard.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I'm not on the waiting list but intend to upgrade to bronze.

If you consider 90k seats. There's what, 25k with tickets, less a few who want to defer them, plus 50k on the list, do you reckon new bronze members have a shot at one for next season?

 

[Deeyal]

I'm not on the waiting list but intend to upgrade to bronze.

If you consider 90k seats. There's what, 25k with tickets, less a few who want to defer them, plus 50k on the list, do you reckon new bronze members have a shot at one for next season?

In short, no, probably not.

The club have previously stated that they intend to keep the ratio of season tickets the same in the new stadium, which is currently about 66%, which means there would be just over 40,000 in total, minus current season ticket holders leaves around 15,000 up for grabs. The current waiting list is just shy of 60,000. Granted, not all of the bronze members will take one if they are offered, but you only need a 25% uptake for the allocation to be fiiled

By the way, I would assume that the allocation made available would be based on NWHL capacity, not Wembley, So that all those who are offered a season ticket can be accommodated when we move to a new permanent home.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

They could just carry that forward to the season after. We still haven't told Wembley we're going there, so until we do that, there's considerable doubt. Particularly given the deafening silence from THFC on this being the last ever season at WHL. No fanfare, no nothing.

I doubt it. It depends on the wording of the planning consent, but generally a temporary consent, which is what this must be, will run from the decision date for a specified period. If THFC were to decide to stay put for another year and then move to Wembley, there would have to be a planning application for an extension or a fresh consent and the whole "I object!" charade would be replayed.

If we don't play at Wembley next season, I think quite a few people at Wembley PLC and at Brent Council will be extremely annoyed, having burnt a large chunk of political capital for nothing.