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Hard to know exactly who and what Poch wants but it is clear that he wants the team to become the priority fully accepting that in his time to date the stadium had to be the number one priority for the club. Does he want more say in transfers? Does he want more effort made to get the players he really, really wants? Or is it a case of wanting to clear out players so that he can re-build even if we lose some money on them?

Maybe it's a combination of these but I don't know. My guess is that he now wants to compete for the Premier League and is saying that that will take an extra level of risk (or courage if you prefer) in terms of the transfer market. If the club are not prepared to do that then maybe he feels he should get out while he is ahead, while his stock is high as he has taken the club as far as possible without changes. Taking some time out has not hurt Pep or Zidane.

Anyway just speculating out loud here
 

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That doesn't sound great. The stadium and getting to the CL final won't be enough IMO.

We need to be smarter than we've been in the past. Everton, Wolves and Leicester have all bought good players in the last few years for comparatively affordable prices, who would have really improved the squad.

I get that we need to be bold, but we also need to be a little more creative

Indeed, and it wasn't Levy who said no to some of those exact players your referring to.

Now if it turns out Poch wanted to hold fire to save the money for the ones he wants then great. If they all choose to go elsewhere however, I just don't know where that leaves us.
 

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I don't think Poch particularly cares about doing a Liverpool. By that, I don't mean he doesn't want to win the League by buying £50m+ players, I mean it's not the bottom line to him staying.

What he doesn't want, is the expectations to rise and the budget to remain the same, as he then feels frustrated and unfairly treated. How can you judge him in the same way as Pep or Klopp, when he has a shoestring budget compared to theirs? That's his issue I think. He dislikes the notion that he has to win something.

And that's where the quotes about leaving after the CL have come from. I think he's thought the expectations will be sky high after a CL win, when realistically, if we carry on with a reasonably low budget compared to our rivals, then a top four finish next season would be a realistic and good achievement in the real world, however people will fail to see it like that as we'll be Champions of Europe (my god the hairs on the back of my neck stood up just typing that).

So it's all about expectations with Poch and perception. He wants to be perceived as an over-achiever and rightfully so.

I agree in the main, though he is ambitious and am sure he looks at Liverpool with envy. He will want top players signed early no question. He wants to progress and win the big trophies. I am not sure he would be happy to continue working in the same way as he has done where he has massively overachieved. He doesn't want to be the best apprentice forever.
 

phieffect

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I know it's boring, but Klopp and Liverpool are exactly what we should have been doing. They've hardly spent the earth. Klopp seems to see potential, and takes a punt, and it pays off .

I mostly agree with you but this is wrong and you know it. They broke the world record fees for goalkeeper and defender. That's hardly taking a punt. Robertson was one, and a brilliant purchase at that. Keita is an expensive waste.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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That's Sherwood, Sugar, Hoddle, JJ and the rest of the ITKs and people still believe we don't have money to compete.

It seems insane to me that we don't have the money.
3 straight seasons in the CL. Big sponsorship deals, ever increasing TV revenue. Small clubs splurge money now that wasn't that long ago our record transfer fees.

It's not so much a belief I have that we don't have it. It's more a question as to why we don't spend it.
There's likely many reasons, not just one.
Setting our sights too high and missing out.
Not wanting to pay the asking price/wages required
Balancing the books
Not wanting to sully the squad with average new players (and keep average existing players)
Etc etc
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I mostly agree with you but this is wrong and you know it. They broke the world record fees for goalkeeper and defender. That's hardly taking a punt. Robertson was one, and a brilliant purchase at that. Keita is an expensive waste.

They also had 2 Bale windfalls with Suarez and Coutinho.
I don't pay huge attention, but how much over and above the £200m have they spent?
 

dimiSpur

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It seems insane to me that we don't have the money.
3 straight seasons in the CL. Big sponsorship deals, ever increasing TV revenue. Small clubs splurge money now that wasn't that long ago our record transfer fees.

It's not so much a belief I have that we don't have it. It's more a question as to why we don't spend it.
There's likely many reasons, not just one.
Setting our sights too high and missing out.
Not wanting to pay the asking price/wages required
Balancing the books
Not wanting to sully the squad with average new players (and keep average existing players)
Etc etc
I wouldn't go so far as to say insane. We have just built a massive new stadium that's cost an arm and a leg.

Whilst I agree there are funds available, it's not ludicrous for one to assume we may be financially hamstrung in the transfer market.

Alas it seems we're not and we'll be able to buy the right player should an opportunity arise. Which is good news of course, as we certainly need 2 or 3 new players to improve the squad!
 

danielneeds

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True.

You'd like to think that Levy and Poch have a meeting every couple of weeks tbh.
You’d think so, but I’m never surprised how on the hoof things can become oh big organisations. Poch is certainly talking like nothing has been decided. It would be a terrible shame if we’re not already lining up our targets.
 

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So does Trix's info and response basically mean we are still in the 20-25 mill range for players going forward? As I look at Everton, Wolves, and Leicester, the names I see are in that range with the exception of Richarlison who was 35 mill. Looks like mainly Championship names (Maddison, Traore) or castoffs from big teams. Loan names also seem a theme with those teams.

If that's the range we are in financially even after getting to the CL final, it is sort of depressing. I would be frustrated too if I was Poch after producing three (now four) straight top four finishes. This does not even consider us losing Eriksen and Toby. To replace either of them with players in that price range seems overly optimistic.

I don't think it's bad to get a few of those guys (young championship level players with high potential) but if that's all we can get, then I think it will be hard for Poch to maintain where we are going forward.
 

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So does Trix's info and response basically mean we are still in the 20-25 mill range for players going forward? As I look at Everton, Wolves, and Leicester, the names I see are in that range with the exception of Richarlison who was 35 mill. Looks like mainly Championship names (Maddison, Traore) or castoffs from big teams. Loan names also seem a theme with those teams.

If that's the range we are in financially even after getting to the CL final, it is sort of depressing. I would be frustrated too if I was Poch after producing three (now four) straight top four finishes. This does not even consider us losing Eriksen and Toby. To replace either of them with players in that price range seems overly optimistic.

I don't think it's bad to get a few of those guys (young championship level players with high potential) but if that's all we can get, then I think it will be hard for Poch to maintain where we are going forward.
@Trix isn't giving any info it's his opinions he's posting.
 

hellava_tough

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So does Trix's info and response basically mean we are still in the 20-25 mill range for players going forward? As I look at Everton, Wolves, and Leicester, the names I see are in that range with the exception of Richarlison who was 35 mill. Looks like mainly Championship names (Maddison, Traore) or castoffs from big teams. Loan names also seem a theme with those teams.

If that's the range we are in financially even after getting to the CL final, it is sort of depressing. I would be frustrated too if I was Poch after producing three (now four) straight top four finishes. This does not even consider us losing Eriksen and Toby. To replace either of them with players in that price range seems overly optimistic.

I don't think it's bad to get a few of those guys (young championship level players with high potential) but if that's all we can get, then I think it will be hard for Poch to maintain where we are going forward.

I get the impression that the answer to your question is 'Yes and No'.

If, for example, Frankie De Jong had wanted to join us, then I think we would have paid £60m+ for him.

However, it's difficult to get these expensive players signed, for the simple reason that bigger clubs are usually in the running for them as well.

Which typically leaves us going for 'lesser' prospects, who are probably in the £25m to £35m bracket...

…that Poch isn't necessarily interested in.
 

hellava_tough

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Incidentally, if we did have a few quid to spend and were happy with the £25m to £35m player, you'd have thought we'd be able to hoover up all the young home-grown talent in the lower leagues; talent that would have a healthy resale value if they didn't work out.

But I guess it's not as easy as that... :unsure:
 

Lo Amo Speroni

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It’s quite logical really and smarter posters than me have interpreted it in this way:
There was a five year plan when he took over to deliver CL football for the new stadium. Not only has this been achieved for the last three years, but we’re also in the final. Massive progress with all the components of the club pulling in the same direction.

Now the five years are closing and he wants a new plan that exceeds the last one in scope and commitment: he wants to win titles and cups. If the club are serious about the next level, they need to construct a new plan that supports this ambition. If they don’t want that, then he’ll go somewhere where that ambition is blueprinted.

The ball is now in Levy/Lewis/Enic’s court
So what you are say is it's not rocket science then.
 
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To deflect attention from the team whilst they focus on Top 4 in the PL and the Final of the CL?
Don't say anything at all. The coverage won't kick in until the week of the match. Currently they are praising the two teams who won the hearts and minds of all fans this season at the moment.

Instead, and I can only talk from my perspective, I feel flat. From the high of enjoying such a result Wednesday after the doubt from his earlier presser, he then follows it up with even more shade and shadow in his presser(s) Friday.

His presser yesterday was flat as well.

Taken the edge off a season for me, far too many asking too many questions rather than enjoying the moment.

Ergo, what's the point?
 

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Did anyone post this?

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