The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[doctor stefan Freud]

Considering we made two half time substitutions and were down to nine men I don't see how the comparison is valid here.

It was deliciously ironic if you weren’t a Spurs supporter; Pochettino is routinely lambasted for not making early enough substitutions, and when he does, one of his subs gets sent off in less than a minute. Sometimes supporting us is like being in an Ealing comedy

 

[stevenurse]

Whatever happens this season there's gonna be a massive overhaul in the squad and considering Poch doesn't rate maddison or Tielemans then the players coming in are going to be amazing....




You'd expect, given the excuses we've had

 

[John48]

I would never suggest we should sack Poch, but he should be questioned.

- His ability to motivate the team for big games isn't great.

- His tactics in big games are questionable, he's got it wrong on more than one occasion, Ajax & L'Pool away. Yes he's changed them & we've improved, but not before we're playing catch up.

- Playing the likes of Dier when he's clearly not fully fit maybe indicative of the squad's strength, but maybe not the best decision & maybe he should only used at the end of games.

- Taking Sissoko off yesterday was a poor decision, because we were coping with their corners with him on, but when he went off we started to look vulnerable & Wanyama who took over his job switched off for a second & they scored.

I could go on, but he's not without his flaws & I hope he's learning from them.

I would hope we back him this time in the TW, but the players we're likely to get will be different if we end up in the Europa, but he also needs to show he's improving as well starting on Weds.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Pochettino's self confessed worst time as tottenham manager was back end of 15/16 season when our final run of games saw us drop from second to third on the final day. He swore he'd change the team, the way we approach games and all that jazz.... almost 4 years on with an arguably WORSE side and it's happening again

 

[Nebby]

Janssen and Llorente are not viable options for any occasion. If we put either one on yesterday, it would have been like playing with 8 men.

Not viable options? If that's true why are they even on the bench?

 

[ardiles]

Not viable options? If that's true why are they even on the bench?

To give our opponents some hope, perhaps?

 

[double0]

I don't think Poch has lost the dressing room but I do sometimes feel some of our better players do think that they are playing alongside players who are just not up to it. I've noticed Toby look frustrated at Trippier on a couple of times and there's a resigned look on his face where he knows Trippier simply isn't up to it.

I agree but is it a case of say when Kaboul, Lennon, Adebayor etc kicked off and were given the boot or do we have an epidemic in that Trippier (not that I care), Alderweireld, Dier, Alli, Eriksen and Llorente are playing like they don’t give 2 shits about the club. Add Poch’s reported reluctance to strengthen the squad last summer and in Jan, all this is building up to be an absolute disaster for the club.

You say reluctance to strengthen...Poch wanted to strengthen the squad with players that can (there's no point buying then taking a age to rid of them) but was unable to with the players he wanted, example Rabiot for Dembélé. Poch clearly is standing on principle deciding to wait for players that will improve the squad. We've been in this position before buying players not good enough for the next level. Trippier was always going to be number 2 with Walker 1st choice until we took the 50 M was Aurier first choice? this squad has really done while with all considered, it's reached peak level we can all clearly see this. The next level is the recruitment of better players, it may not be a case of spending more money... more with acquiring the right players. Poch knows this and we (Levy) have to back him.

To be honest I'm waiting to see like others what is going to happened during the transfer window. If Poch is forced to downgrade and not achieve targets he would have gone against his own principles this would be a convenient excuse for Levy to sack him...I say this because they'll be no way Levy will allow a situation whereby Poch walks away on his terms.

 

[Gilzeanking]

None of these doubts would be written up here if...if that massive long shot from Moura was a foot to the right ,we'd be congratulating ourselves on making CL yet again .

Luck has been unkind to us in terms of goalscoring chances . The team put out vs B'mouth worked hard but all the many shots/headers went straight at the keeper. As Poch said 1st half we should have won 3-0 .
In some ways the team seemed over-motivated ,all the sometimes unnecessary professional fouls and niggles ...and then sending offs.

Don't think we can say he's lost the dressing room , but we've certainly run out of luck . This close season is going to be crucial and with many big spenders chomping at the bit to spend huge wads , the market will have very few bargains for Levy . Gonna be very tough times for us with chunks of our spine leaving .

Mebbe lady luck will smile on us in the next coupla games after dumping on us fairly regularly of late .

 

[greaves]

None of these doubts would be written up here if...if that massive long shot from Moura was a foot to the right ,we'd be congratulating ourselves on making CL yet again .

Luck has been unkind to us in terms of goalscoring chances . The team put out vs B'mouth worked hard but all the many shots/headers went straight at the keeper. As Poch said 1st half we should have won 3-0 .
In some ways the team seemed over-motivated ,all the sometimes unnecessary professional fouls and niggles ...and then sending offs.

Don't think we can say he's lost the dressing room , but we've certainly run out of luck . This close season is going to be crucial and with many big spenders chomping at the bit to spend huge wads , the market will have very few bargains for Levy . Gonna be very tough times for us with chunks of our spine leaving .

Mebbe lady luck will smile on us in the next coupla games after dumping on us fairly regularly of late .

Good post. Calm an'all.

 

[erhieyid]

None of these doubts would be written up here if...if that massive long shot from Moura was a foot to the right , it would have only been 18 inches wide

Luck has been unkind to us in terms of goalscoring chances . The team put out vs B'mouth worked hard but all the many shots/headers went straight at the keeper. As Poch said 1st half we should have won 3-0 .
In some ways the team seemed over-motivated ,all the sometimes unnecessary professional fouls and niggles ...and then sending offs.

Don't think we can say he's lost the dressing room , but we've certainly run out of luck . This close season is going to be crucial and with many big spenders chomping at the bit to spend huge wads , the market will have very few bargains for Levy . Gonna be very tough times for us with chunks of our spine leaving .

Mebbe lady luck will smile on us in the next coupla games after dumping on us fairly regularly of late .

FYP

 

[Khilari]

The most important thing to recognise is this: glory is in our hands. I would rather be in our position than one of the other sides chasing a top 4 position.

Whatever our form, whatever our injuries, whatever other teams' motivation may be, whether we make the Top 4 and the CL Final is in our hands. It really is like a cup final. When two teams no matter where they finished at the end of the season are pit against each other the odds are different.

If our players can treat these next two matches similarly, we can end the season on a high. I'm confident the players will give their all - there's likely to be a siege mentality within the Spurs dressing room that, despite everything being thrown at us and going against us, we can still pull through.

Never did I think we would get past City after Aguero scored - but our players believed and put me to shame. Who knows what will happen but come Saturday, the whole stadium will be giving our players a massive lift. COYS!

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

Seriously are people genuinely suggesting Poch go!. I despair, I really do.

 

[HildoSpur]

There is a mentality problem in the club - has been there for decades and we all know it. Poch has done a lot to improve it but at the end it always lets us down. We need to shake-up that squad dramatically.

 

[thecook]

Whatever happens this season there's gonna be a massive overhaul in the squad and considering Poch doesn't rate maddison or Tielemans then the players coming in are going to be amazing....




You'd expect, given the excuses we've had

Thing is though we can only overhaul if we also get rid of players, and no doubt we won';t be buying before selling. My fear is we'll price the dead wood out of a move and fuck ourselves over once again

 

[Stavrogin]

Pochettino's self confessed worst time as tottenham manager was back end of 15/16 season when our final run of games saw us drop from second to third on the final day. He swore he'd change the team, the way we approach games and all that jazz.... almost 4 years on with an arguably WORSE side and it's happening again

Because I think the issue is that it's not so easy to just fix things via mentality or motivation. If our players don't have the experience or, in some case, the raw quality, it will ultimately tell.

We just have to face it that if there is a spending disparity it will become apparent. There will be highs and lows but ultimately it tells.

 

[Metalhead]

Because I think the issue is that it's not so easy to just fix things via mentality or motivation. If our players don't have the experience or, in some case, the raw quality, it will ultimately tell.

We just have to face it that if there is a spending disparity it will become apparent. There will be highs and lows but ultimately it tells.

Totally agree with that. Poch isn't faultless by any means but he's reached a limit with his available resources IMO.

 

[midoshairband]

There is a mentality problem in the club - has been there for decades and we all know it. Poch has done a lot to improve it but at the end it always lets us down. We need to shake-up that squad dramatically.

you know why it is - its because we very rarely buy proven, top class, winners who have been under pressure situations before, and come through it.

we buy from the tier below, where in all likelihood, with a few exceptions, they lack the mentality. so they hone their trade here, and get picked up by a top club where they get carries through by genuine winners until they’ve learnt it and can cope with it.

and Poch is the same - he’s learning. he will, and has, made mistakes.

until we make big statement signings (and i’m not talking about spending £70M on Zaha, another proven loser), it won’t change.

 

[LeParisien]

you know why it is - its because we very rarely buy proven, top class, winners who have been under pressure situations before, and come through it.

we buy from the tier below, where in all likelihood, with a few exceptions, they lack the mentality. so they hone their trade here, and get picked up by a top club where they get carries through by genuine winners until they’ve learnt it and can cope with it.

and Poch is the same - he’s learning. he will, and has, made mistakes.

until we make big statement signings (and i’m not talking about spending £70M on Zaha, another proven loser), it won’t change.

Which proven winner should we buy this summer ?

 

[Flashspur]

the problem is, general consensus tells us tha they’re both not good enough. he plays them and gets criticism for doing so.

the team that started yesterday was more than good enough to win. they should have taken their chances.

the fact they didn’t is their own fault. Poch can’t control utter brainfarts on the pitch like we had yesterday.

That’s bullshit. How many games have we lost now? Isn’t that the managers problem to sort out? This isn’t one game we’re talking about.

 

[Metalhead]

I really don't think that there is one individual thing holding us back. Quite a lot of the points raised are valid IMO.