The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Deleted member 27995]

Are we sure it was Poch and Mitchell who fell out and not Levy and Mitchell?

I’m sure the whispers were that Mitchell felt all his recommendations were being ignored ( probably because they cost too much money).

Poch was never big on the DoF anyway, and once he had his title changed to manager he fought the DoF being brought back to the club. The media narrative is changing, good old facts.

 

[buttons]

Sherwood on Talkshite this morning. My lord he is thick

Basically copied his rant on the debate last night about how Easy his job was at Spurs and all he had to do is put his arm around Adebayor - you didn’t make it look that easy did you Tim!

 

[Bensonrecon]

LMAO brilliant

To be fair this fella called it:

...so... These internet blindspots that are free from our own fans I was asking about...

 

[spurs9]

Are we sure it was Poch and Mitchell who fell out and not Levy and Mitchell?

I’m sure the whispers were that Mitchell felt all his recommendations were being ignored ( probably because they cost too much money).

Yes, JJ has confirmed Poch dislikes Mitchell.

 

[vegassd]

Massive difference between acting like a big club, and actually being arguably the biggest club in the world.

Not saying we're doomed either. FWIW I don't think he'll leave just yet, but this idea that keeps being peddled around that Spurs is a better job than Utd and we just need to start acting like it is/"why would he possibly want to leave Spurs to go to Man Utd" comments is an optimistic pipe dream unfortunately

I agree with you. But look at how many people in this thread are proclaiming that he's definitely going to leave this summer and that they are going to give up on football when it happens. It goes completely against the argument those same fans make when they say that the club needs to act like a big club. That's the annoying part for me.

What counts in our favour here is that he's relatively young so there isn't as mad of a rush to leave to win trophies as there would be for a player. I do think Poch will leave for either Madrid, possibly United or even one of the big Italian clubs eventually, but leaving it another few years isn't going to do his career any harm in my opinion.

At the end of the day us fans cannot control whether he stays or goes this Summer. The only thing we can control is how bitchy and moany we all are between now and then.

 

[danielneeds]

To be clear we have a better squad, stadium and training ground than Utd. We are a number of years into Pochettino’s project.

Utd can only offer him money to spend, however that’s not particularly helpful as they have about 6 players who they actually need to keep.

In terms of prestige winning something with us is more impressive than Utd. In terms of being given time, well Pochettino is being given that here.

The fans love him, his squad love him, Levy and him have a decent working relationship. Why as fans are we even entertaining this idea?

I mean, look we have world class facilities. But United have the biggest club stadium in the country and Carrington is a lavish training ground too.

All of that pales into insignificance when you look at the wage bill. They can pay 10-12 players significantly over £200k a week. We can just about stretch to paying that to Kane, the best player in the league.

I really hope he stays, but let’s not kid overselves, if he really wants to topple Pep, then they would give him far more tools to do it.

 

['O Zio]

I agree with you. But look at how many people in this thread are proclaiming that he's definitely going to leave this summer and that they are going to give up on football when it happens. It goes completely against the argument those same fans make when they say that the club needs to act like a big club. That's the annoying part for me.

What counts in our favour here is that he's relatively young so there isn't as mad of a rush to leave to win trophies as there would be for a player. I do think Poch will leave for either Madrid, possibly United or even one of the big Italian clubs eventually, but leaving it another few years isn't going to do his career any harm in my opinion.

At the end of the day us fans cannot control whether he stays or goes this Summer. The only thing we can control is how bitchy and moany we all are between now and then.

Then we're in agreement.

I'm confused by people on both sides of the argument to be honest. I don't think it's nailed on that he leaves like some people are suggesting, but I also think it's ridiculous that so many people are just completely writing Man Utd off as a big club like they've transformed into Burnley over the past few months or something. Then the same people have the cheek to call Man Utd fans arrogant. It beggar's belief

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I agree with you. But look at how many people in this thread are proclaiming that he's definitely going to leave this summer and that they are going to give up on football when it happens. It goes completely against the argument those same fans make when they say that the club needs to act like a big club. That's the annoying part for me.

I don't understand?

We do need to act like a big club. If we actually want to win things, we need to find a way of going up to that next level. If it means Levy being creative with finances in the same way other clubs are, then so be it.
But we know he won't. We know the only money will ever come from selling players.
We know this. It's been the case for nearly 20 years.
Which is exactly why every one that thinks Poch will go to United.

They aren't going against anything?

 

[Indisguise]

Levy has to get Lewis to inject some cash into the Club because I really don't like the reports of Poch turning his pockets out and saying "I don't have money" in response to questions about the January transfer window. I think Poch is seriously considering his options right now and who can blame him.

 

[RichieS]

Why does it seem to be accepted that he'd have more chance of winning trophies at United? Is it just because of who they are? Have we not had a better team/squad than them for the last 4-5 years? I'd suggest that the reason they've won trophies in that time and we haven't is because they had Mourinho in charge...

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Then we're in agreement.

I'm confused by people on both sides of the argument to be honest. I don't think it's nailed on that he leaves like some people are suggesting, but I also think it's ridiculous that so many people are just completely writing Man Utd off as a big club like they've transformed into Burnley over the past few months or something. Then the same people have the cheek to call Man Utd fans arrogant. It beggar's belief

A large proportion of our fans have become ludicrously, delusionally arrogant in the last few seasons.

 

[Trix]

Are we sure it was Poch and Mitchell who fell out and not Levy and Mitchell?

I’m sure the whispers were that Mitchell felt all his recommendations were being ignored ( probably because they cost too much money).

Either way Mitchell did next to fuck all when he was with us so good luck to them if they get him.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Why does it seem to be accepted that he'd have more chance of winning trophies at United? Is it just because of who they re? Have we not had a better team/squad than them for the last 4-5 years? I'd suggest that the reason they've won trophies in that time and we haven't is because they had Mourinho in charge...

Because when they need something, they go and they get it.
When we need something, we fuck around for 2 months then don't get it.

 

[RichieS]

Because when they need something, they go and they get it.
When we need something, we fuck around for 2 months then don't get it.

Which club currently possesses the better players/team/squad?

 

[Primativ]

One thing to consider, and I think Poch will know this, is these top players that United apparently want to sign, they don't grow on trees.

You aren't winning a title with touch of a rapist Lukaku as your main striker. The top teams in this league have proper 30 goal a season strikers, (Salah, Kane, Aguero). Lukaku is not in that mould.

Poch will be thinking, I already have a fantastic squad at Spurs, if I go to United, I'll be inheriting a squad with a load of dross, with a few with potential like Martial and Rashford, yes some players he will be able to improve, but players like Pogba and Sanchez who are overpaid primadonas. Even if United say to Poch, come to us and you'll have 200 million to spend, it doesn't mean that they can just buy top players to improve you.

It's just not that easy. Where do United find a title winning striker from? Even Chelsea are struggling to find a elite striker, so they are stuck with Morata and Giroud ffs. Poch would walk into United and then be like, errr I need Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Sanchez, Son to make this team competitive.

Of course, United do have some excellent underperforming players, and Poch would make them better than the sum of their parts, but he'd be walking out on a team at Spurs which is already better than United's. United waving a huge transfer kitty in his face doesn't guarantee success, or that the players are out there to be bought. United ended up buying Lukaku because they couldn't get an elite striker. Poch going there won't change that.

The media are completely caught up in the hype, as they think nobody can turn down United but I think Poch will look at it completely onjectively and I don't see him wanting to go. The only way he does is if he is truly fed up with having no money to spend, but if Levy can provide at least some funds to be competitive, I don't see why Poch goes.

Dream sceanrio will be Poch uses United's interest to get Levy's tight wallet open for new players, and then tells United to fuck off. Its a win win.

 

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Why does it seem to be accepted that he'd have more chance of winning trophies at United? Is it just because of who they are? Have we not had a better team/squad than them for the last 4-5 years? I'd suggest that the reason they've won trophies in that time and we haven't is because they had Mourinho in charge...

It's a fair point, Mourinho's whole thing is dragging teams over the line to win trophies.

If he's backed, with the couple of players we need, he probably is closer to winning trophies here than he would be at United, where the squad needs a thorough overhaul. But, the million dollar question is, will he be backed here? If he's not, then United probably are closer!

 

[dagraham]

Either way Mitchell did next to fuck all when he was with us so good luck to them if they get him.

The only reason I would care if they got him would be if he still had a good relationship with Poch. Otherwise couldn’t care less.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Which club currently possesses the better players/team/squad?

Which club has had the better manager for 4.5 years?

 

[King of Otters]

Poch has now managed a side with away victories at Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City and [albeit this is more just satisfying than it is a massive achievement] West Ham. During my early days of watching Spurs in the mid-1990s/early-2000s, I genuinely wondered whether I'd ever see us score away wins against those first 3 clubs. If he racks up an away win at Anfield at any point then he'll have completed my "Gerry Francis would find this literally impossible in a trillion eons" bingo card.

In that period I swear we'd go the entire season winning 2-3 games away max. Poch really has completely transformed the club.

 

[SpartanSpur]

[B]Miguel Delaney[/B]‏Verified account @[B]MiguelDelaney[/B] 13h13 hours ago
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With all the players having gone off, Pochettino then salutes the Spurs away end, who give him a massive round of applause and sing his name.


For those earlier in the thread getting worried about body language and lip reading after the game...