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branchie

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Why are people so surprised at this....herc had alluded to it all summer and reports coming out now back up what he said he was worried about.

If people still want to play blind on how this has played out then go ahead but its pretty obvious who is at fault on this one.
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hakano

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Let's be honest, considering how little we know, you're making huge assumptions (as do a lot of people) about what goes on at the club. As usual, all the bad is Levy and all the good is Poch.

No credit for the sheer volume and velocity of new contracts that have been consistently been given to our most important players, often only 6 to 12 months into 5 year deals. The facilities that attract players, the ambition that attracts players.

It'd be much easier if people accept that Pochettino has obvious flaws, and Levy has obvious flaws, but they have each done a great deal for the club?

Also, note this for an unbelievable example



Trophies aren't won in the boardroom.

Ask Pep, Jose and all the other successful managers of recent times. Could Pep win the league with zero net spend over 4 seasons?

No one is saying that Levy is completely shit, yes he has done well to a certain extent. Facilities and ambition also to a certain extent - a lot of the players have bought into Poch and have come out to say they believe in the manager. Hugo said he was close to leaving before Poch arrived. Funny how you mention the constant new contracts but each and every contract is still worth less than what they could earn elsewhere - perhaps it's the Poch factor, who knows. All this will fade into insignificance though without investment on the pitch. Manager and players start to question the ambition will start to leave. This summer showed everyone - bar the BSoDL - how ambitious we are and who knows that may well be the reason that Dele and Eriksen have yet to sign a new contract.

Poch has presented Levy with a massive problem, we have seen it before with Redknapp, when it comes to the final push Levy fails.
 

dannythomas

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Seems to me that Poch is fed up with the philosophy and wanted to get established players in. Levy and Lewis are never going to pay the prices. Poch is angry.

He is right when he said there is no one he could bring in because who can you get for 25m these days.

How about Moussa Dembele who Lyon signed from Celtic last month for 20m ? Good young player who could stand in for Kane and who Poch could have developed. In fact we could have got him for half that price when he was at Fulham.
 

BringBack_leGin

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How about Moussa Dembele who Lyon signed from Celtic last month for 20m ? Good young player who could stand in for Kane and who Poch could have developed. In fact we could have got him for half that price when he was at Fulham.
We’ve seen how well having a backup to Kane works when the player gets no time. You’d could counter ‘well give him time in the AM positions’ but he’s not as good as any of Moura Lamela or Son, never mind Dele and Eriksen who are clear first choices.

Those 5 + Kane, with Llorente and Sissoko as ‘break glass in case of energency’, is fantastic depth in quality for our front 4. Players like Dembele signing would be pointless.

The only clearly imprpveable part of our squad is at CM.
 

dannythomas

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We’ve seen how well having a backup to Kane works when the player gets no time. You’d could counter ‘well give him time in the AM positions’ but he’s not as good as any of Moura Lamela or Son, never mind Dele and Eriksen who are clear first choices.

Those 5 + Kane, with Llorente and Sissoko as ‘break glass in case of energency’, is fantastic depth in quality for our front 4. Players like Dembele signing would be pointless.

The only clearly imprpveable part of our squad is at CM.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Our squad needs strengthening at CM, full back and I don’t agree with the argument that it’s impossible to have a striker as back up to Kane. I also don’t agree that Moura, Lamela or Son are good enough to be that back up. They are makeshift strikers . Great AM players. Clearly we don’t need strengthening in AM.

The players we brought in like Janssen , Soldado and Llorente are just not good enough for a club challenging for top 3 / trophies and if Kane got a long term injury we would be screwed. Dembele was on the bench for Lyon at City. Like he would be for us. He would have had the chance to develop under Pochettino getting higher level match time than the French or Scottish Leagues, or the Championship for that matter. And Kane could get a rest here and there for whole or part matches while Dembele is given valuable experience. How can 20m on such a player be a waste ? It is a pittance in today’s market. Especially this season when Kane is obviously not firing on all cylinders.
 

thfc1973

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Just watched the BHA game and I must say I wasn't impressed. Collectively the team were slow going forward until Lamela came on even though Son and Lucas were playing. Defensively we still looked really weak and Dier and Eriksen were sloppy and weak in midfield.

It could be argued that the weather played its part but it's shocking that in injury time we could have actually lost 2 points.. That cannot be blamed on the weather.

What that tells me is the win just papered over the cracks. There's a hell of a lot more work to be done to get this team playing anywhere near what we were last season.
I hope Poch can get this team in order as he's going to have to make do with what he's got now till January, and I feel the best thing to do is rotate the players to give them the rest they obviously need and to give other squad members a chance.
I read that they trained less this week and worked more from analyzing videos of BHA for example, and I think that helped Harry cos he looked a bit sharper in that game.
It may actually help the team if Poch does more of that this season, but I still can't work out why the defense looks so shaky this season. I don't even think the issue with the defense is physical though. It's almost as if they're on different wavelengths and they absolutely do look incredibly weak at set plays still.

I'm still not convinced Poch has got a handle on the team and our best system, but what is obviously lacking is the pressing game that's worked so well for us till this season.

I believe when all else fails a good team could and should go back to basics and for us I believe it's the pressing game. That's the only way to solidify the team from front to back.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Why are people so surprised at this....herc had alluded to it all summer and reports coming out now back up what he said he was worried about.

If people still want to play blind on how this has played out then go ahead but its pretty obvious who is at fault on this one.
I think some people were quick to dismiss Herc because what he informed us would happpen didn’t. He became increasingly negative as the window went on and seemed really angry on deadline day. Pinch of salt is the oft-used adage but he was bang on in what he hinted at later in the window about ‘seeing what our chairman is made of’. Like you, none of this surprises me (though publishing in a book does) especially when it became known by various other itk that Levy tried for Gomes on deadline day. That’s a Sissokoesque panic buy if ever there was one and has been Levy’s mo for years. The best we can hope for is the relationship between the two (Poch and Levy) improves- more itk on deadline day stated they hadn’t spoken to each other for a week-, we get CL football again and Levy secures the type of players Poch believes he needs to take us to the next level
 

Diarmuid

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It's felt like Dier has blackmailed himself into a DM role since the alleged Man Utd approach. He's a bit of a liability for England too, so I'm a bit baffled by it all. feels like we're just playing 6 at the back when we have that pairing in front of a four.
He is a better looking version of John o shea..
 
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The person that thinks Onomah is the answer to any midfield problems is sadly mistaken in my view. My reasoning is that up to now he has not cut it in the championship when he has played and even struggles to get a starting place.
That is no way to impress the fans let alone Poch
Then why is the man in charge saying he isn't going anywhere? We were told he was earmarked to have greater involvement in the first team etc etc and where is he now? Yes, playing championship football with a bang average midtable Championship team.

Fuck all point him being there when our midfield is - as pointed out by so many on here - lacking the depth or rotational options to come off the bench.

People only want to see what they want to see, believe what they want to believe.
 
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Why are people so surprised at this....herc had alluded to it all summer and reports coming out now back up what he said he was worried about.

If people still want to play blind on how this has played out then go ahead but its pretty obvious who is at fault on this one.
I have some Unicorns you might want to buy.
 

stonebrow

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I know after the summer & lack of spending has got many of us worried but where has this latest concern come from?
Is it ballbags recent article? I know he & Poch are supposed to be close but I’m taking this as his opinion on this occasion.
Poch is supposed to be a honest, moral & ethial man who people respect for the way he conducts himself, I doubt he would hide behind someone else & would come out and state what is on his mind (in the right way).
I’m sure when things went sour with the board at Southampton he didn’t mince his words!
 
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Errr....actually yes they are. That is why it is always the clubs who SPEND THE MOST MONEY who always win the trophies.
Not strictly true is it otherwise Arsenal wouldn't have kept winning the FA Cup ...
 

The Doc

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I know after the summer & lack of spending has got many of us worried but where has this latest concern come from?
Is it ballbags recent article? I know he & Poch are supposed to be close but I’m taking this as his opinion on this occasion.
Poch is supposed to be a honest, moral & ethial man who people respect for the way he conducts himself, I doubt he would hide behind someone else & would come out and state what is on his mind (in the right way).
I’m sure when things went sour with the board at Southampton he didn’t mince his words!

I think the article augments what some (many?) were worried about. He (Poch) could not come out and explicitly criticise his Chairman, as it would probably invoke some form of disciplinary clause in hs contract. It's a two way street though. You only have to look at some of the press articles to see the club are not averse to doing the same. Finally, I would expect that Poch and Levy have discussed the Summer window "failings" at length. The question is whether anything is going to change as a result.
 
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