The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Shadydan]

I know there's a lot of daft panic going about lately, with equally daft and over the top postings, but this is something I do actually agree with and something that, hopefully, can be legitamately discussed

I would have thought that they'd be at least 4 or 5 pre-scouted targets for every position in the squad, whose clubs could be contacted in the close season, a price agreed, wages agreed and then one of our targets would become a Spurs player

Not sure what the hold-up is to be honest

That's how I used to do it in Championship Manager

Okay so here's my take on it in light of recent comments by Pochettino and Levy:

I understand that we have the finances to strengthen the team with a player within our reach but that player needs to attainable and affordable price wise. They also need to be aware that they won't come in as a starting player and content with a bench role added to the fact that what we pay them will be significantly lower then what they could possibly earn sitting on somebody else's bench or even starting for them. Not to mention our strict policy of bringing someone in who has to be of Poch's liking to be able to fit into the squad dynamic and the philosophy...now if you take all those factors into account and realise that our starting XI cannot be improved on then we face a very difficult task to upgrade the team.

Of course we could always go for players who are seen as unproven such as Nkoudou and Janssen but then that's what they essentially are, gambles and they are players that we need to work with as we can't just write them off like the money clubs do because that would be seen as a bad investment and taking into account our current financial climate then we can ill afford to take those risks, we took a huge risk last season in Sissoko and it backfired so I can certainly see why we are airing on the side of caution this time around.

We're in a very strange situation, one that we've never been in before and I can kind of understand the fans' frustrations especially seeing our rivals spend like it's going out of fashion as well as clubs who are beneath us but I tend to lean on the side of the people who got us here in the first place, I like to think that these guys know what they're doing and as Poch keeps saying they have a plan in place to ensure that we can compete going into the season, why all of a sudden are some fans so quick to think that those same people are happy to destabilise the club and undo all their good work, it doesn't make any sense.

I think we just need to wait until towards of the transfer window, as we're not in desperate need to strengthen the first team we can relax a bit, there are deals to be done, club's will drop their values because they want to get deals done, players will drop their wage demands because they want to get moves, agents will want to push deals through because they want to get paid, it's what happens every season, I have absolutely no doubt that players will come in but on OUR terms and that requires patience.

 

[hellava_tough]

Okay so here's my take on it in light of recent comments by Pochettino and Levy:

I understand that we have the finances to strengthen the team with a player within our reach but that player needs to attainable and affordable price wise. They also need to be aware that they won't come in as a starting player and content with a bench role added to the fact that what we pay them will be significantly lower then what they could possibly earn sitting on somebody else's bench or even starting for them. Not to mention our strict policy of bringing someone in who has to be of Poch's liking to be able to fit into the squad dynamic and the philosophy...now if you take all those factors into account and realise that our starting XI cannot be improved on then we face a very difficult task to upgrade the team.

Of course we could always go for players who are seen as unproven such as Nkoudou and Janssen but then that's what they essentially are, gambles and they are players that we need to work with as we can't just write them off like the money clubs do because that would be seen as a bad investment and taking into account our current financial climate then we can ill afford to take those risks, we took a huge risk last season in Sissoko and it backfired so I can certainly see why we are airing on the side of caution this time around.

We're in a very strange situation, one that we've never been in before and I can kind of understand the fans' frustrations especially seeing our rivals spend like it's going out of fashion as well as clubs who are beneath us but I tend to lean on the side of the people who got us here in the first place, I like to think that these guys know what they're doing and as Poch keeps saying they have a plan in place to ensure that we can compete going into the season, why all of a sudden are some fans so quick to think that those same people are happy to destabilise the club and undo all their good work, it doesn't make any sense.

I think we just need to wait until towards of the transfer window, as we're not in desperate need to strengthen the first team we can relax a bit, there are deals to be done, club's will drop their values because they want to get deals done, players will drop their wage demands because they want to get moves, agents will want to push deals through because they want to get paid, it's what happens every season, I have absolutely no doubt that players will come in but on OUR terms and that requires patience.

Fair play to your response - I guess we'll have to wait and see come Sept 1st

 

[npearl4spurs]

Okay so here's my take on it in light of recent comments by Pochettino and Levy:

I understand that we have the finances to strengthen the team with a player within our reach but that player needs to attainable and affordable price wise. They also need to be aware that they won't come in as a starting player and content with a bench role added to the fact that what we pay them will be significantly lower then what they could possibly earn sitting on somebody else's bench or even starting for them. Not to mention our strict policy of bringing someone in who has to be of Poch's liking to be able to fit into the squad dynamic and the philosophy...now if you take all those factors into account and realise that our starting XI cannot be improved on then we face a very difficult task to upgrade the team.

Of course we could always go for players who are seen as unproven such as Nkoudou and Janssen but then that's what they essentially are, gambles and they are players that we need to work with as we can't just write them off like the money clubs do because that would be seen as a bad investment and taking into account our current financial climate then we can ill afford to take those risks, we took a huge risk last season in Sissoko and it backfired so I can certainly see why we are airing on the side of caution this time around.

We're in a very strange situation, one that we've never been in before and I can kind of understand the fans' frustrations especially seeing our rivals spend like it's going out of fashion as well as clubs who are beneath us but I tend to lean on the side of the people who got us here in the first place, I like to think that these guys know what they're doing and as Poch keeps saying they have a plan in place to ensure that we can compete going into the season, why all of a sudden are some fans so quick to think that those same people are happy to destabilise the club and undo all their good work, it doesn't make any sense.

I think we just need to wait until towards of the transfer window, as we're not in desperate need to strengthen the first team we can relax a bit, there are deals to be done, club's will drop their values because they want to get deals done, players will drop their wage demands because they want to get moves, agents will want to push deals through because they want to get paid, it's what happens every season, I have absolutely no doubt that players will come in but on OUR terms and that requires patience.

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[npearl4spurs]

I may be BSoDL, no I certainly am, but I think with the way the market is, Levy is playing a binder.

 

[hellava_tough]

I may be BSoDL, no I certainly am, but I think with the way the market is, Levy is shouldn't carry the can.

Fixed

 

[ardiles]

the total lack of ambition show in the transfer market for a slide that finished second with the stated aim of pushing on further is not solely down to the tight arse Levy but that MP is struggling to understand how he changes and then manages the side and the squad to be better?

I'm surprised that you're not placing any blame on Lamela this time.

 

[Krule]

It's my view that we already have the nucleus of a great side and what's needed now are the peripheral players to support it. These are people who will be rotated regularly and required to come on as substitutes whenever Poch decides the situation demands. Such a vacancy is not a particularly enticing one and that is why we are struggling to fill those gaps. The first questions on anyone's lips if Spurs make an approach must surely be "How do I fit in, what role do you see me playing ?".
As a supporter I'm certain I will not see any 'marquee' signings this season but I never expected to. Poch and Levy work well together but they do so within a mutually agreed format. The money is there... but for players that come with no preconceptions or egos, young, talented but also willing to sacrifice a year or two in order to be moulded into the (dare I say it) philosophy of the current regime. Poch doesn't don't buy star players, he creates them. Occasionally the odd bad (French) apple is selected but once it's realised they have no part to play in the great plan they are quickly ejected.
It really is all down to confidence and trust in the guys at the helm. For all our banter and opinion we cannot ignore the meteoric rise in the club's fortunes and league status since Mauricio joined up with Daniel. With that in mind I willingly accept the transfer stagnancy being encountered at the moment. We have vacancies but they are for 'young apprentices' rather than 'mature professionals'....the wages are lower and the risks are greater but the rewards....both trophy wise and financially can be immense.
I fully understand that Poch doesn't want his top players to feel complacent about their 'automatic team selection' but there is a fine line between competitive pressure and creating confrontation within the dressing room. There is a marvellous team spirit at the moment and we need new blood that will embrace it ...not challenge it's existence.
We really are in a rather unique dilemma compared to the other teams chasing the title in as much as the main characters for a serious challenge are already there, now we need the supporting actors to make the 'company' complete and provide stability when suspensions and injuries inevitably hit.
Being a fan can be a difficult thing at times but if the confidence in the people ultimately running the club is there then all such frustration problems will be overcome. I have faith (not the blind version though) in what we are trying to do and that is not something given easily or lightly by myself. Long may that continue....
COYS !!

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Are you?

Am I? Is anyone?

The one question more pressing me is if we are all real and this is not in my imagination, why in gods name do we have the same sodding argument in every bleeding thread I visit?

Because if this is all in mine or someone else's imagination their imagination is crap.

Levy not buying = Levy bad, but Levy get us to high league place = Levy good

 

[shelfboy68]

It's my view that we already have the nucleus of a great side and what's needed now are the peripheral players to support it. These are people who will be rotated regularly and required to come on as substitutes whenever Poch decides the situation demands. Such a vacancy is not a particularly enticing one and that is why we are struggling to fill those gaps. The first questions on anyone's lips if Spurs make an approach must surely be "How do I fit in, what role do you see me playing ?".
As a supporter I'm certain I will not see any 'marquee' signings this season but I never expected to. Poch and Levy work well together but they do so within a mutually agreed format. The money is there... but for players that come with no preconceptions or egos, young, talented but also willing to sacrifice a year or two in order to be moulded into the (dare I say it) philosophy of the current regime. Poch doesn't don't buy star players, he creates them. Occasionally the odd bad (French) apple is selected but once it's realised they have no part to play in the great plan they are quickly ejected.
It really is all down to confidence and trust in the guys at the helm. For all our banter and opinion we cannot ignore the meteoric rise in the club's fortunes and league status since Mauricio joined up with Daniel. With that in mind I willingly accept the transfer stagnancy being encountered at the moment. We have vacancies but they are for 'young apprentices' rather than 'mature professionals'....the wages are lower and the risks are greater but the rewards....both trophy wise and financially can be immense.
I fully understand that Poch doesn't want his top players to feel complacent about their 'automatic team selection' but there is a fine line between competitive pressure and creating confrontation within the dressing room. There is a marvellous team spirit at the moment and we need new blood that will embrace it ...not challenge it's existence.
We really are in a rather unique dilemma compared to the other teams chasing the title in as much as the main characters for a serious challenge are already there, now we need the supporting actors to make the 'company' complete and provide stability when suspensions and injuries inevitably hit.
Being a fan can be a difficult thing at times but if the confidence in the people ultimately running the club is there then all such frustration problems will be overcome. I have faith (not the blind version though) in what we are trying to do and that is not something given easily or lightly by myself. Long may that continue....
COYS !!

Daniel you could not have written that any better if you had done so yourself

 

[walworthyid]

It's EVERY year!!! If we have targets GET EM! Don't piss ball about trying to save a couple of quid. The whole 'well run club' line is bollocks it just equates to 'tight fuckers'. Contract renewals get dragged on & on which gives our rivals chance to cherry pick our best players.

Yes, but look at where we are? Statistically the best team over the last 2 years. Amazingly talented young squad. New stadium. Cl football. All on a shoestring in comparison. If we were so badly run how did we do it? Look at the players that we have sold. Bale, wanted to leave and it was Madrid. Modric, wanted to leave and it was Madrid. Berbs wanted to leave and it was utd when they were actually good. Walker, been here nearly 10 years, northern lad, wanted to leave. What players are being cherry picked?

 

[mpickard2087]

People just need to stop panicking. Poch's approach is pretty logical... Take RB, Walker is gone yes, we have a decent prospect in KWP who is just now becoming full time with the first team squad, so why not use pre-season to see where he is at? That might save 10-15-20 odd million in the transfer market if he impresses. I think he's done ok in the games so far, but lets see what Poch thinks after seeing him day in day out around the squad. If he does decide we need to bring someone in, we still have another month now to do that.

Then there is centre back. Poch might now have the evidence that CCV isn't ready yet (or, he might have shown him enough based on what Poch deems relevant), and Wimmer, after a solid start, is struggling a bit, so this is a position where we might look to act.

I think it's correct to look at what you've already got before going out and bringing someone in. For a lot of fans though it seems that they are happy to big up Poch and his record for developing players, until it gets in the way of their desired transfers.

 

[Kiedis]

Levy not buying = Levy bad, but Levy get us to high league place = Levy good

...the latter then often leads to; "but we would have been even higher if Levy bought someone/anyone", so Levy = bad anyways

 

[ultimateloner]

everything he said so far makes sense. Why pay over the odds for decent players who only add depth? If someone who will improve on the starting 11 turns up then go for it. Otherwise no point.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs
#thfc Pochettino: "If you remember, five years ago, people said ‘who is Pochettino?’. I’m sure they used Google or Yahoo to find out."

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs
Pochettino: "But the problem with that was that all they saw straight away was the penalty against Michael Owen. That situation killed me."



ETA - X-post from Rose thread

 

[glospur]

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs
#thfc Pochettino: "If you remember, five years ago, people said ‘who is Pochettino?’. I’m sure they used Google or Yahoo to find out."

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs
Pochettino: "But the problem with that was that all they saw straight away was the penalty against Michael Owen. That situation killed me."



ETA - X-post from Rose thread

Is there a better person on Earth than Mauricio Pochettino? I can't think of one.

 

[yankspurs]

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs
#thfc Pochettino: "If you remember, five years ago, people said ‘who is Pochettino?’. I’m sure they used Google or Yahoo to find out."

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs
Pochettino: "But the problem with that was that all they saw straight away was the penalty against Michael Owen. That situation killed me."



ETA - X-post from Rose thread

Love this man

 

[Shadydan]

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs
#thfc Pochettino: "If you remember, five years ago, people said ‘who is Pochettino?’. I’m sure they used Google or Yahoo to find out."

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs
Pochettino: "But the problem with that was that all they saw straight away was the penalty against Michael Owen. That situation killed me."



ETA - X-post from Rose thread

Absolute shutdown

 

[bat-chain]

I love this man so much, he really is magic and a load more besides.

I hope he knows what he means to us.

 

[lukespurs7]

Okay so here's my take on it in light of recent comments by Pochettino and Levy:

I understand that we have the finances to strengthen the team with a player within our reach but that player needs to attainable and affordable price wise. They also need to be aware that they won't come in as a starting player and content with a bench role added to the fact that what we pay them will be significantly lower then what they could possibly earn sitting on somebody else's bench or even starting for them. Not to mention our strict policy of bringing someone in who has to be of Poch's liking to be able to fit into the squad dynamic and the philosophy...now if you take all those factors into account and realise that our starting XI cannot be improved on then we face a very difficult task to upgrade the team.

Of course we could always go for players who are seen as unproven such as Nkoudou and Janssen but then that's what they essentially are, gambles and they are players that we need to work with as we can't just write them off like the money clubs do because that would be seen as a bad investment and taking into account our current financial climate then we can ill afford to take those risks, we took a huge risk last season in Sissoko and it backfired so I can certainly see why we are airing on the side of caution this time around.

We're in a very strange situation, one that we've never been in before and I can kind of understand the fans' frustrations especially seeing our rivals spend like it's going out of fashion as well as clubs who are beneath us but I tend to lean on the side of the people who got us here in the first place, I like to think that these guys know what they're doing and as Poch keeps saying they have a plan in place to ensure that we can compete going into the season, why all of a sudden are some fans so quick to think that those same people are happy to destabilise the club and undo all their good work, it doesn't make any sense.

I think we just need to wait until towards of the transfer window, as we're not in desperate need to strengthen the first team we can relax a bit, there are deals to be done, club's will drop their values because they want to get deals done, players will drop their wage demands because they want to get moves, agents will want to push deals through because they want to get paid, it's what happens every season, I have absolutely no doubt that players will come in but on OUR terms and that requires patience.

Brilliant post.

Also football clubs make plans for the transfer window a good 3-4 months before hand. Poch, Levy and Scouts will have been talking about new targets for summer from Feb/March but like you say we have a difficult task finding players who are ok to start on the bench but are still good enough to move us forward and are at the right price.

Ideal window would be:
Perreria
Barkley
Zaha
3rd choice GK

If we signed those I think we could for sure challenger for the title and other honours, our squad would be insanely good, that is the difference that 3x good quality players who can challenge the 1st 11 will make, 1 to replace Walker, 1 to help cover CM and 1 to properly challenge the AM's who is better than nkoudu and sissoko.

Hard gig finding those but as you say I can see why we are being cautious, leaving it later in the window absoloeuly fine, leaving it to the last day and then panic buying a 4/5th choice target because clubs reject our last minute bids would be a disaster, let's hope we get the balance right.

 

[Krule]

Mauricio gives sound marriage advice to lifelong fan :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ham-fan-wedding-day-letter.html#ixzz4pwF2F4oL

Nice gesture from a nice guy.