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Oh Teddy Teddy

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How much more seriously are we meant to take them then?

I don't understand, you asked the question who did we beat to get there and then move the goal posts so to speak to change the argument.

Seriously enough that we don’t diminish a chance of silverware a few days before we play a massive semi-final.
 

George94

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Last sentence was meant as tongue in cheek due to that. The constant linking of our players and manager to others and lack of regarding Klopp and Salah who would both be perfect for Madrid I find amusing and transparent.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you that Klopp and Salah going to Madrid would be nice... ;)
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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We diminished our chances how?

The insistence that, in the grand scheme of things, it’s not going to take us to a new level. It’s not going to change our lives.

This is what the players have heard for years now. When it comes down to it, we never want it as much as the other team.

Even if it’s true that the FA Cup isn’t the PL, or CL, it’s irrelevant to a team that’s won 1 league cup in a decade.
 
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The insistence that, in the grand scheme of things, it’s not going to take us to a new level. It’s not going to change our lives.

This is what the players have heard for years now. When it comes down to it, we never want it as much as the other team.

Even if it’s true that the FA Cup isn’t the PL, or CL, it’s irrelevant to a team that’s won 1 league cup in a decade.
Even though we made it to a Cup Final in Pochs first year (think that's right) and the semi against Chelsea last year ... ?

Not really sure where you are going with this.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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Even though we made it to a Cup Final in Pochs first year (think that's right) and the semi against Chelsea last year ... ?

Not really sure where you are going with this.

Not doubting our ability. But when push comes to shove, we’ve not won it - a lot of that is down to the way Pochettino treats these cups. We come up short against the better teams because they know how to win. They know better than to treat it with the peculiar disdain we do.
 
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Not doubting our ability. But when push comes to shove, we’ve not won it - a lot of that is down to the way Pochettino treats these cups. We come up short against the better teams because they know how to win. They know better than to treat it with the peculiar disdain we do.
Ah we treat them with disdain. Ok well I guess we better stop doing that then if we ever want to win something again.

Hopefully soon eh?
 

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That’s fair enough but you’re only talking about a handful of games against elite opposition.

I’m sure Poch cares I can’t imagine he’s not bothered by it but it’s cup competitions at the end of the day, a lot less predictable
agreed, but you'd still expect to win at least one out of a handful though, especially against teams that we've been able to beat in the league when not in a do-or-die scenario. the fact that we've been knocked out by three lesser sides but not ourselves knocked out a single big(ger) side suggests at the very least an issue worth looking closer at.
 
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m Pochettino’s biggest fan, and he’s done wonders, but the comments last week, coupled with the line-up and result left me a little flat and more disagreeable than usual.

As it has most of us.
Yeah, disdain, got it.

Hopefully there is a lack of disdain moving forward or we may never win anything.

Fingers crossed!
 

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it's what happens when you keep faltering in the same way. you try to understand the reasons why so the trend can be reversed. that's not just football, it's life.

Pre Pochettino the reason is quite simple: Portsmouth aside we were always by far the inferior side. Under Pochettino we haven’t been faltering, we’ve been successful actually as, with six sides of similar ability levels we have been at least semi finalists in three out of his four seasons in charge.

Doesn’t mean we take the cups seriously enough.


I’m not sure you can pin wins against Newport, Sheffield Utd etc to ‘taking it seriously’

As for City, Utd and Arsenal’s hiccups? Well they’ve also won shit when it mattered. Not sure we’re in that boat.

And yet both Utd and arsenal fan bases are massively dissatisfied with their performance in the past half decade. Perhaps getting so worked up about domestic cup success or failure is ever so slightly smalltimd when one considers the bigger picture.
 

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Most people scoffed at Wenger when he said finishing in the top four is as good as a trophy.
In fact financially finishing in a champions league position can be worth anything from £40 mill to £90mill .
winning the FA cup is worth approx £8 to£10 mill ;the league cup less ;therefore if has been quite rightly said money makes the football world go round it makes sense that if you want to compete with the elite you need cash and so it follows to compete with the uber rich you will have a better chance by finishing the top four not to mention that the higher your finishing position the bigger your cash prize in the league end of season pay out.
So therefore I say as supporter since 1951 that what Poch is achieving is fantastic with some of the best football I have seen and yes almost as good as 1961 I say this not lightly but what makes it so is we have a refreshing playing attitude that is whoever we play we go out to win and play attacking exiting football .The only thing that will derail this improvement is if Poch is forced out by people that I think are mostly new fans and have only seen us in the top 6 or 4 .They have no knowledge of the bad times in the 70s or the dross of the nineties or the club almost going bust in the eighties.Therefore I say embrace and enjoy whats going on now there are but a few teams in this league better off than we are and that is only because of uber rich owners ;come on get behind the mighty spurs boys
 

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Pre Pochettino the reason is quite simple: Portsmouth aside we were always by far the inferior side. Under Pochettino we haven’t been faltering, we’ve been successful actually as, with six sides of similar ability levels we have been at least semi finalists in three out of his four seasons in charge.



And yet both Utd and arsenal fan bases are massively dissatisfied with their performance in the past half decade. Perhaps getting so worked up about domestic cup success or failure is ever so slightly smalltimd when one considers the bigger picture.

Is it too much to ask for both?
 

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Don’t get me wrong, I’m Pochettino’s biggest fan, and he’s done wonders, but the comments last week, coupled with the line-up and result left me a little flat and more disagreeable than usual.

As it has most of us.

lol The comments thing again...He said that the FA Cup and League Cup won't put us on the same level as it would if we were to win the League or the CL, what exactly don't you agree with in that sentence?

I mean it's a well known fact that the two cup competitions aren't as prestigious as the League and CL and nearly every manager that has participated in it has devalued it somewhat by playing weakened teams in both competitions for the sake of the League or European competition right so what's the problem? Everyone is trying to look for every excuse under the sun as to why we lost and the first place people look at are his comments that he made about about FA Cup.

Poch shouldn't be punished by our history, he joined the club in 2014, we've reached two semi's and a final in domestic cup competition beaten by teams who are simply better than us on the day, it's not his fault that we'd been so shit in cup competitions before he arrived and his cup record of 2 semi's and 1 final since he's arrived suggests that he's been unlucky particularly who we've come up against.

At no point has he devalued these cups, nor has his comments suggested that he devalues them, he like everyone else in this country doesn't take them as seriously as the big prizes, the only mistake he's made is by not being media savvy enough to dodge the question or just fucking lie which he's normally really good at. The media and rival fans use his comments and his lack of trophies as a stick to beat him because that's what they're going to do so why do our fans need to follow suit?
 

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Of course not, and I still feel shit about going out. I just think that a lot of fans (not saying you by the way) have lost all perspective in their reactions to what is ultimately a blip on an overwhelming enjoyable journey.

It’s ok. It’s been a few days and I reckon you can go outside now. Maybe just pop to the shops and back. Small steps.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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lol The comments thing again...He said that the FA Cup and League Cup won't put us on the same level as it would if we were to win the League or the CL, what exactly don't you agree with in that sentence?

I mean it's a well known fact that the two cup competitions aren't as prestigious as the League and CL and nearly every manager that has participated in it has devalued it somewhat by playing weakened teams in both competitions for the sake of the League or European competition right so what's the problem? Everyone is trying to look for every excuse under the sun as to why we lost and the first place people look at are his comments that he made about about FA Cup.

Poch shouldn't be punished by our history, he joined the club in 2014, we've reached two semi's and a final in domestic cup competition beaten by teams who are simply better than us on the day, it's not his fault that we'd been so shit in cup competitions before he arrived and his cup record of 2 semi's and 1 final since he's arrived suggests that he's been unlucky particularly who we've come up against.

At no point has he devalued these cups, nor has his comments suggested that he devalues them, he like everyone else in this country doesn't take them as seriously as the big prizes, the only mistake he's made is by not being media savvy enough to dodge the question or just fucking lie which he's normally really good at. The media and rival fans use his comments and his lack of trophies as a stick to beat him because that's what they're going to do so why do our fans need to follow suit?

I agree wholeheartedly he needs to be more media-savvy. Like I said earlier, a lot of it boils down to the frustration with the line-up not being our strongest and comments which were always going to be taken out of context.

Winning the FA Cup, the Carabao Cup even, won’t change our lives - but could lay the necessary foundations for this team to go on and win something that would. Not to mention it would put to bed that “Needs to win something” chestnut
 

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Pre Pochettino the reason is quite simple: Portsmouth aside we were always by far the inferior side. Under Pochettino we haven’t been faltering, we’ve been successful actually as, with six sides of similar ability levels we have been at least semi finalists in three out of his four seasons in charge.
"similar ability", and we've lost every one of the 5 matches we've played against them in the cups these last few season. that suggests an issue, no?
 
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