Player Watch Marcus Edwards

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Taking criticism in stride
* Doing extra work after training
* Staying home and avoiding the partying scene
* Taking responsibility for his development and progress
* Giving his all to help the team avoid relegation
* Watching and supporting Spurs from afar

Those all sound like the kind of thing a professional footballer should be doing as a bare minimum to me. Nothing outstanding there at all.
well it was in reply to someone saying if he can't turn up for training on time then what chance does he have but he has had another loan since then and there were no reports of him being a problem there so it seems like some just want to continually refer back to old news?
 

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well it was in reply to someone saying if he can't turn up for training on time then what chance does he have but he has had another loan since then and there were no reports of him being a problem there so it seems like some just want to continually refer back to old news?
Yeah probably. It’s all gone quiet on him though hasn’t it. Maybe he’s injured, I guess we will have to wait and see.
 
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Yeah probably. It’s all gone quiet on him though hasn’t it. Maybe he’s injured, I guess we will have to wait and see.
don't get me wrong, i have little doubt that he's burnt his bridges with pochettino and has been told to find a new club but i don't like the constant harking back to old news when in the past year he has by all reports acted just as a professional should. he has made mistakes and been difficult to handle at times(as he has admitted) but it just seems like so many fans have it in for this kid and actively want to stick the boot in wherever possible. i really hope he manages to turn it around as for me he is one of those rare players you tune into a game just to see them play.
 
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The pro Edwards camp online wouldn't even admit his attitude and work ethic was bad even when it was bad so I don't think you'll get them to admit its bad when there is no information.

Even in the positive article in the Dutch press you can see them allude to there being issues and its because his Dad is way too involved and puts bad ideas into his head. The idea was to separate them by sending him abroad but he moved there with him.
 

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The pro Edwards camp online wouldn't even admit his attitude and work ethic was bad even when it was bad so I don't think you'll get them to admit its bad when there is no information.

Even in the positive article in the Dutch press you can see them allude to there being issues and its because his Dad is way too involved and puts bad ideas into his head. The idea was to separate them by sending him abroad but he moved there with him.
I said over a year ago:
Agree absolutely on both counts. I'm retired now but if I put my dusty old professional hat on, I would be screaming caution before you begin to label or condemn this young man. (Given what was said about his father, and if true, I might have begun by exploring that relationship.)
 
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I still blame Sherwood. He hyped the lad up when he was 16-17 and every fan shot straight online to find out as much as they could about the lad. The spotlight was on him from then on, when really it would've been better if we'd not know anything about him until he made his playing debut. Poch's praise was OTT, but Edwards made a great cameo that night.
 

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This country has great difficulty in producing creative mid-fielders.
We want them to be different. We want them to hold onto the ball longer than they should. We want them to make the difficult pass. We want them to shoot from range,

All the kids who come into the academies want to be Messi.
And we coach it out of them. Teach them to keep possession at all costs and play the percentages. Cut the flashy stuff out as it irritates. Cut out mistakes. Play as a team.
They either conform or they are dropped. Discipline!

Of course the coaches would say if a genuine Messi turned up, they would spot their potential and fast track them on a special training programme. That they can't create these players - they are just born that way. OK, there is some truth in that.
But other countries can produce creative players.

Maybe Edwards was never going to be good enough, but this country has a problem and the club should investigate why a player labelled a Messi by the manager himself has failed to come through.
i think he is good enough no one wants him to come good prob more than poch, levy and John mc but he has to apply himself i saw Gary Nevile on telly this morning and he said, Fergerson everyday banged on at them talent is only a small part and working hard gets you further, look at Ronaldo and Messi they work there nuts of, Ronaldo is a model professional he looks after his body, ice baths at 3 am massages he puts his body first, he knows what it takes to be a winner.
 

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I still blame Sherwood. He hyped the lad up when he was 16-17 and every fan shot straight online to find out as much as they could about the lad. The spotlight was on him from then on, when really it would've been better if we'd not know anything about him until he made his playing debut. Poch's praise was OTT, but Edwards made a great cameo that night.
Come on let’s be honest we don’t need a manager to hype kids we do enough ourselves.
 

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I always think when people use the Messi comparison maybe Edwards would have found the physical side easier if he had been pumped full of growth hormone too.
I think people kind of misunderstand the thing with Messi. GHD is an illness that can have serious repercussions on peoples standard of life.

The 'pumping of hormones' is a normal treatment recommended for people with the condition. It doesn't really give an advantage but rather is externally giving the patient what their body doesn't produce. The fact is Messi's height probably correlates a little less with what he would be expected to biologically be. Without taking the hormone he would probably be well under 5ft, in rare cases it could also leave him permanently prepubescent. GH's in his case, were simply giving the body something it didn't produce to a normal level. This deficiency only effect 1 in 7,000 children and there is no evidence that it would help increase someone's height beyond what is genetically suggested, and definitely not in the medical context that its applied in.

GH is often used by adults to improve sporting performance, or to make their skin look better. Even though at the moment the few studies done on it suggest it does neither of those things. Giving Edwards, who is short, but most certainly does not have GHD growth hormones is unlikely to have improved 'the physical side' of his game. But even if it did, its not comparable to the situation of Messi, who gained no advantages by taking it apart from producing something that 99.985% of people do naturally, and probably would be actually slightly taller had he never had the condition.
 
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I still blame Sherwood. He hyped the lad up when he was 16-17 and every fan shot straight online to find out as much as they could about the lad. The spotlight was on him from then on, when really it would've been better if we'd not know anything about him until he made his playing debut. Poch's praise was OTT, but Edwards made a great cameo that night.
In a similar manner to John Bostock
 
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I always think when people use the Messi comparison maybe Edwards would have found the physical side easier if he had been pumped full of growth hormone too.
I think people kind of misunderstand the thing with Messi. GHD is an illness that can have serious repercussions on peoples standard of life.

The 'pumping of hormones' is a normal treatment recommended for people with the condition. It doesn't really give an advantage but rather is externally giving the patient what their body doesn't produce. The fact is Messi's height probably correlates a little less with what he would be expected to biologically be. Without taking the hormone he would probably be well under 5ft, in rare cases it could also leave him permanently prepubescent. GH's in his case, were simply giving the body something it didn't produce to a normal level. This deficiency only effect 1 in 7,000 children and there is no evidence that it would help increase someone's height beyond what is genetically suggested, and definitely not in the medical context that its applied in.

GH is often used by adults to improve sporting performance, or to make their skin look better. Even though at the moment the few studies done on it suggest it does neither of those things. Giving Edwards, who is short, but most certainly does not have GHD growth hormones is unlikely to have improved 'the physical side' of his game. But even if it did, its not comparable to the situation of Messi, who gained no advantages by taking it apart from producing something that 99.985% of people do naturally, and probably would be actually slightly taller had he never had the condition.
Was going to reply myself but COYS did it perfectly. If you’re against Messi having used this hormone, then equally you should be against Gary Mabbutt being able to treat his diabetes with insulin injections and Paul Scholes using an inhaler to treat his asthma, both of which would be ridiculous.
 
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I think people kind of misunderstand the thing with Messi. GHD is an illness that can have serious repercussions on peoples standard of life.

The 'pumping of hormones' is a normal treatment recommended for people with the condition. It doesn't really give an advantage but rather is externally giving the patient what their body doesn't produce. The fact is Messi's height probably correlates a little less with what he would be expected to biologically be. Without taking the hormone he would probably be well under 5ft, in rare cases it could also leave him permanently prepubescent. GH's in his case, were simply giving the body something it didn't produce to a normal level. This deficiency only effect 1 in 7,000 children and there is no evidence that it would help increase someone's height beyond what is genetically suggested, and definitely not in the medical context that its applied in.

GH is often used by adults to improve sporting performance, or to make their skin look better. Even though at the moment the few studies done on it suggest it does neither of those things. Giving Edwards, who is short, but most certainly does not have GHD growth hormones is unlikely to have improved 'the physical side' of his game. But even if it did, its not comparable to the situation of Messi, who gained no advantages by taking it apart from producing something that 99.985% of people do naturally, and probably would be actually slightly taller had he never had the condition.
I don't know enough on the subject but I've heard it said many times that he (Messi) would not be able to professionally compete in any other sport.due to the medication.
 

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I don't know enough on the subject but I've heard it said many times that he (Messi) would not be able to professionally compete in any other sport.due to the medication.
Well if he was still taking them maybe. But he finished at 14. Look 5 year old in the UK are recommended the same treatment messi got. I find that information implausible.
 

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Was really hoping he might have been given another shot this summer, but I guess not. He's not been featuring for the U23s either right?

Must be on his way out?
If we move to playing a 433 he is competing for a place with either...

As a forward:
Kane, Lamela, Dele, Moura, Son and Parrott

Or

As a midfielder:
Sisokko, Lo Celso, Winks, Dier, Eriksen, NDombele, Skipp

Tbh I think the lad is done here
 
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Well if he was still taking them maybe. But he finished at 14. Look 5 year old in the UK are recommended the same treatment messi got. I find that information implausible.
Messi was given a sympathetic despensation to play. Its not permitted in professional sport. Not my opinion. The factor is of they have ever taken it. Not recent. Again not my opinion of what is right or wrong.
 
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