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Marcus Edwards - Excelsior

IGSpur

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Comment in AD Sportwereld report on the Heerenveen match:
"Maar het was vooral Marcus Edwards die Excelsior wat extra's gaf. 'Mini-Messi' wordt de 19-jarige huurling van Tottenham Hotspur genoemd. En met elke wedstrijd die hij speelt in Nederland wordt meer duidelijk waarom. Klein is hij, linksbenig, en hij dribbelt makkelijker en sneller dan menig amateurvoetballer rent. Als hij de bal had, zag je de verdedigers van Heerenveen soms al verschrikt een stapje naar achteren doen."

"But above all it was Marcus Edwards who gave Excelsior something extras.
'Mini-Messi' the 19-year-old mercenary of Tottenham Hotspur is called. And with every game he plays in the Netherlands, it becomes more clear why. He is small, left legged, and dribbles easier and faster than many amateur footballers run. When he had the ball, you sometimes saw the defenders of Heerenveen already a bit frightened take a step back."
 

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Comment in AD Sportwereld report on the Heerenveen match:
"Maar het was vooral Marcus Edwards die Excelsior wat extra's gaf. 'Mini-Messi' wordt de 19-jarige huurling van Tottenham Hotspur genoemd. En met elke wedstrijd die hij speelt in Nederland wordt meer duidelijk waarom. Klein is hij, linksbenig, en hij dribbelt makkelijker en sneller dan menig amateurvoetballer rent. Als hij de bal had, zag je de verdedigers van Heerenveen soms al verschrikt een stapje naar achteren doen."

"But above all it was Marcus Edwards who gave Excelsior something extras.
'Mini-Messi' the 19-year-old mercenary of Tottenham Hotspur is called. And with every game he plays in the Netherlands, it becomes more clear why. He is small, left legged, and dribbles easier and faster than many amateur footballers run. When he had the ball, you sometimes saw the defenders of Heerenveen already a bit frightened take a step back."

Hopefully this the making of Edwards and the beginning of us sending more of our talented U23's to get experience in the eredivisie. If Poch decides to blood in Marcus next season, I would hope we'd sell GKN, Llorente, Sissoko and Janssen free up some room for him. That would leave Son/Lucas as the most viable back-ups to Kane and allow Edwards the chance to get minutes on the right or centrally as an attacking mid.
 

Krafty

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Does seem to me that increasingly young players need something to prove - sending a talented, well-hyped youngster to a lower league club where they are playing with worse players than they come up against in training, where it doesn't really matter how their loan team does as they will come back to Tottenham, just isn't pushing them as they feel they have already proved themselves.

Edwards going abroad seems to have given him that motivation, and the league seems to suit him too. Feel players like him and Onomah need to be given the chance to show what they can do with the likes of Kane, Eriksen et al around them (but then I suppose they do that in training).

Fingers crossed this is the next step in Edwards development, and will see him get into the Spurs team.
 

dondo

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Does seem to me that increasingly young players need something to prove - sending a talented, well-hyped youngster to a lower league clubs where they are playing with worse players than they come up against in training, where it doesn't really matter how their loan team does as they will come back to Tottenham, just isn't pushing them as they feel they have already proved themselves.

Edwards going abroad seems to have given him that motivation, and the league seems to suit him too. Feel players like him and Onomah need to be given the chance to show what they can do with the likes of Kane, Eriksen et al around them (but then I suppose they do that in training).

Fingers crossed this is the next step in Edwards development, and will see him get into the Spurs team.


I agree that this loan move for Edwards is a good one but I can’t agree with your first paragraph.
Better quality of players should go out on loan to lower league clubs and be head and shoulders better than most players in that side if they are good enough to play in the premier league.
Walker, Rose and Pritchard are good examples of that
 

Blake Griffin

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I agree that this loan move for Edwards is a good one but I can’t agree with your first paragraph.
Better quality of players should go out on loan to lower league clubs and be head and shoulders better than most players in that side if they are good enough to play in the premier league.
Walker, Rose and Pritchard are good examples of that

there are plenty of examples to the contrary though and i would place rose in that category who really struggled in all three of his championship loans, it was only in the pl with sunderland where he really stood out. kane is another who had mixed success on loan and it would have been easy to write him off when he was struggling to get in ahead of david nugent at leicester, same goes for ryan mason as well(though a lot of his troubles were injury-related). i'm largely in favour of us using the loan system but it isn't always the perfect barometer of a player's long-term capabilities.
 

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there are plenty of examples to the contrary though and i would place rose in that category who really struggled in all three of his championship loans, it was only in the pl with sunderland where he really stood out. kane is another who had mixed success on loan and it would have been easy to write him off when he was struggling to get in ahead of david nugent at leicester, same goes for ryan mason as well(though a lot of his troubles were injury-related). i'm largely in favour of us using the loan system but it isn't always the perfect barometer of a player's long-term capabilities.

I agree.

When we buy a player it is generally accepted that there is a bedding in period and no to expect too much in the first 6 months to a year.

But when a loan player goes for a one year deal and doesn't perform it is often seen as a sign that he isn't good enough.

When loaning players out we just have to hope they are improving and learning, it isn't always that evident in their performance.
 

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there are plenty of examples to the contrary though and i would place rose in that category who really struggled in all three of his championship loans, it was only in the pl with sunderland where he really stood out. kane is another who had mixed success on loan and it would have been easy to write him off when he was struggling to get in ahead of david nugent at leicester, same goes for ryan mason as well(though a lot of his troubles were injury-related). i'm largely in favour of us using the loan system but it isn't always the perfect barometer of a player's long-term capabilities.

I think I'm right in saying that Kane won player of the year at Millwall playing mainly in CM whilst on loan.
 

Krafty

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I agree that this loan move for Edwards is a good one but I can’t agree with your first paragraph.
Better quality of players should go out on loan to lower league clubs and be head and shoulders better than most players in that side if they are good enough to play in the premier league.
Walker, Rose and Pritchard are good examples of that

I remember Rose’s loan spells well as the guy who sat next to me at the Lane was from Peterborough, and during Rose’s loan there he said that Rose didn’t seem to care, wasn’t putting in a shift, and was a bit of a big time Charlie.

At Watford didn’t he score an own goal and also got sent off in his six appearances?

I think what we fail to remember is that anyone who is in the spurs youth setup was one of the best footballers in their class, year, school, county, borough, maybe even nation. They will have had lots of interest from other top clubs, been convinced that Spurs is the best place for them, had great training facilities, multiple coaches, academic and life teachings, seen and maybe trained with world elites like Kane, Eriksen, seen all the bentleys and Ferrari’s and flash watches, been far more advanced career, money and status wise compared to school chums, then they get sent to a lower league team with big brick so and sos kicking lumps out of people, in front of relatively small crowds in small, crumbling stadiums, getting changed in a portacabin and training on the local rec, etc etc etc.

If they haven’t got the right mentality (which would be understandable for someone so young and naive) they could easily become demotivated and just waiting to return to Spurs. Equally they might be on a different wavelength to their teammates and just see the ball being pumped over their head time and time again.

I like the loan system but I think it is increasingly difficult to make it work as short termism spreads throughout the leagues, and the elite clubs get more and more technical and proficient in their setups.

There is a saying - you only get better by playing a better opponent. Sometimes the biggest challenge will be bettering a Tottenham first teamer in training than someone in a championship game.

On the flip side, without learning that competitive edge some players will just drift, picking up a fantastic wage without really pushing themselves, slowly drifting down the leagues and leaving lots of potential on the table. A really tricky balance
 

dondo

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I remember Rose’s loan spells well as the guy who sat next to me at the Lane was from Peterborough, and during Rose’s loan there he said that Rose didn’t seem to care, wasn’t putting in a shift, and was a bit of a big time Charlie.

At Watford didn’t he score an own goal and also got sent off in his six appearances?

I think what we fail to remember is that anyone who is in the spurs youth setup was one of the best footballers in their class, year, school, county, borough, maybe even nation. They will have had lots of interest from other top clubs, been convinced that Spurs is the best place for them, had great training facilities, multiple coaches, academic and life teachings, seen and maybe trained with world elites like Kane, Eriksen, seen all the bentleys and Ferrari’s and flash watches, been far more advanced career, money and status wise compared to school chums, then they get sent to a lower league team with big brick so and sos kicking lumps out of people, in front of relatively small crowds in small, crumbling stadiums, getting changed in a portacabin and training on the local rec, etc etc etc.

If they haven’t got the right mentality (which would be understandable for someone so young and naive) they could easily become demotivated and just waiting to return to Spurs. Equally they might be on a different wavelength to their teammates and just see the ball being pumped over their head time and time again.

I like the loan system but I think it is increasingly difficult to make it work as short termism spreads throughout the leagues, and the elite clubs get more and more technical and proficient in their setups.

There is a saying - you only get better by playing a better opponent. Sometimes the biggest challenge will be bettering a Tottenham first teamer in training than someone in a championship game.

On the flip side, without learning that competitive edge some players will just drift, picking up a fantastic wage without really pushing themselves, slowly drifting down the leagues and leaving lots of potential on the table. A really tricky balance

Fair point regarding rose I though Sunderland were a championship side when he was there.
Edwards didn’t feature at all at Norwich and was late a lot and had a bad attitude according to some reports. I’m sorry but that’s not on, Edwards has achieved nothing so far and is certainly not to big for lower league loans.
Players like Edwards need games at this stage of their careers and they are not going to get them with us until they improve and lower league loan is the perfect opportunity from them to do this
 

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As gifted as he is, he's still making poor decisions, could have had 2 assists if he'd made better choices IMO.

Good that he's actually playing regularly.
 
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Does seem to me that increasingly young players need something to prove - sending a talented, well-hyped youngster to a lower league club where they are playing with worse players than they come up against in training, where it doesn't really matter how their loan team does as they will come back to Tottenham, just isn't pushing them as they feel they have already proved themselves.

I've read a lot of football autobiographies, so forgive me for the vague reference here, but one of them was quite specific about this kind of thing. The lower leagues are mostly full of players who weren't good enough for the PL, so there's a bit of an attitude towards young players - a lot of them won't get passed to and won't find it easy to integrate with the others. On top of that, you've got a lot of crap defenders who specialise in snapping ankles of tricky players.

It's not always as simple as "better player in a lesser league"
 

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From the live blog AD Sportwereld:
https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetba...l-terwijl-vvv-zoekt-naar-een-gaatje~a498f51f/
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Edwards smaakmaker

Als Marcus Edwards de bal krijgt, schuift het publiek in Kralingen naar het puntje van de stoel. De 19-jarige Engelsman is ontzettend behendig. Zijn dribbels bezorgen VVV niet voor het eerst vanavond problemen. Hij zal echter zo plaatsmaken voor Mounir El Hamdaoui.

70 '
Edwards flavouring player

When Marcus Edwards gets the ball, the fans in Kralingen move to the tip of their seats. The 19-year-old Englishman is incredibly dextrous and agile. It's not for the first time his dribbles provide VVV with problems. He will, however, make way for Mounir El Hamdaoui.
 

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From the live blog AD Sportwereld:
https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetba...l-terwijl-vvv-zoekt-naar-een-gaatje~a498f51f/
70'
Edwards smaakmaker

Als Marcus Edwards de bal krijgt, schuift het publiek in Kralingen naar het puntje van de stoel. De 19-jarige Engelsman is ontzettend behendig. Zijn dribbels bezorgen VVV niet voor het eerst vanavond problemen. Hij zal echter zo plaatsmaken voor Mounir El Hamdaoui.

70 '
Edwards flavouring player

When Marcus Edwards gets the ball, the fans in Kralingen move to the tip of their seats. The 19-year-old Englishman is incredibly dextrous and agile. It's not for the first time his dribbles provide VVV with problems. He will, however, make way for Mounir El Hamdaoui.

Spurs of present making way for a Spurs legend of yesteryear.
 

markdadude

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wow, very impressed with those clips. Not shy at all is he... great dribbler. No doubt they all speak excellent english which will help him settle in. Small body but uses it well to obstruct challenges from sides/ rear
 
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