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Long Live the King!

Krafty

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Ledley King may not be able to play every game, he may be susceptible to breaking down and unable to perform to the exceedingly high levels of yester year but do not fret, because there is a player waiting to take the throne – Michael Dawson.

After initially shining alongside King under Martin Jol, Dawson struggled when played alongside a less experienced partner (Kaboul) or a partner without pace (Woodgate). However, since an injury delayed the start of his season, ‘Daws’ has come back looking more athletic, quicker on the turn as well as in the mind. His reading of the game has stepped up a level. His positional sense and anticipation have sharpened. Rather than be a liability, with a fatal error hiding in wait around the corner, he now exudes an air of calm, a sense of solidity. He is now a rock that our defence can be built on.

However, there is one improvement that excites me more than the rest combined. For so long, maybe since Gary Mabbutt was captain, we have lacked a vocal leader. Ledley King leads by example; Robbie Keane leads with spirit (and not just the kind that comes in bottles); Jenas leads by....well you get my point. Too often we have been under the cosh, teetered on the edge of conceding, and there would be silence on the pitch. Since Dawson became temporary captain and, more importantly, cemented his place in the starting eleven he has marshalled his fellow defenders and roused his teammates, and five clean sheets in a row has been the result.

In the past we would have feared a partnership involving Dawson and a younger, less experienced defender who was new to the club. However, Michael’s leadership has helped develop a formidable partnership with Sebastien Bassong. Experience is a great teacher and one, it seems, Michael has learnt from immensely.

No doubt others have performed admirably and deserve credit, but Dawson now provides a type of leadership that filters through the team more effectively than his contemporaries. A no-nonsense, determined, vocal, English defender – reminiscent of a much hated rival of the 90s?

Dawson’s only mistake could be hitting form three months before the next England game! With question marks over the form and fitness of so many English centre backs Daws has a chance to force his way into a friendly squad, but if his form continues then he could have claims on a regular spot in the England team.

Dawson’s improvements are a welcomed sign, and indicative of Harry Redknapp’s tenure. Several players have improved their games and further improvement will move them from the heaving pool of players that had potential to the more select band that turned it into ability, and ability to play at international level. Now you have to wonder if King and Woodgate would get into the first eleven even when fit.
 

beuller

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Dawson is triffic and definitely appears to be improving.

But when you compare him to Ledders in his pomp, he (in my opinion) comes up short by quite a distance. He simply doesn't have the natural attributes that King has.

I can't really see Dawson ever being as good with the ball at his feet as King and will obviously never have his pace.

King was a one off.

Dawson is certainly becoming a very good centre half, which we desperately need... but I personally feel that fans get carried away with how good he is. You can see why, he shows desire, commitment and heart every minute he plays.

I hope he plays for us until he hangs up his boots, but he'll never be the King.
 

walworthyid

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Dawson’s improvements are a welcomed sign, and indicative of Harry Redknapp’s tenure. Several players have improved their games and further improvement will move them from the heaving pool of players that had potential to the more select band that turned it into ability, and ability to play at international level. Now you have to wonder if King and Woodgate would get into the first eleven even when fit.

No you don't! I have always liked Dawson, even when he was struggling I believed he would one day become a top centre half, he basically has everything that someone like Terry has. He has spirit, loves a tackle, decent with the ball (better than Bassong and Woody), great in the air etc etc. He has always has been prone to a mistake, and still is to an extent, but with time and games he is going to be top class and a possible England regular.

However, as good as he is and as much as he has improved, he is a long, LONG way from Ledley. You said "if fit" and when fit, Ledley is the best cb in the league, even now. As for woody, like loads of others, I used to wonder what the fuss was about, he looks like a pikey, he's a bit wirey and ropey looking, he's not exactly quick, not a glamourous player by any means, but woody is a pure defender, great timing and reading of the game. He has that uncanny knack of making tackles at just the right time.

Make no mistake, woody is absolute class, he's the volvo to ledley's Bentley. As a pair they are as good as it gets.

So no, I don't wonder at all whether they would be first choice cb's if fit.
 

Boony

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King is just a Midfielder who has ended up as a centre back, which is why he has good feet. Take Phil Jagielker... same difference
 

JimmyG2

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Cetainly agree with comments about Dawson's all round improvement and have argued for a while that he would make a decent captain. I noticed that recently as soon as he got the armband from Keane he immediately clapped his hands and called out to his team-mates to up their game and to announce his presence.
He is still liable to the odd desperate last ditch lunge, the hand ball against Man.City that he got away with for example. His passing is much more controlled and the 50 yd heat seeking missile is less in evidence, although he hits it with accuracy at times.

I remember that he was spoken off as a potential captain a couple of years ago.
One aspect of his game that he could develop is bringing the ball out from defence as Ledley does and which Bassong occasionaly attempts but is slow to release the ball.

To say that one player is not as good as one of the best players in the country doesn't really get us very far. He is good, will get better and is more than good enough.
 

Hobbes

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Dawson is triffic and definitely appears to be improving.

But when you compare him to Ledders in his pomp, he (in my opinion) comes up short by quite a distance. He simply doesn't have the natural attributes that King has.

I can't really see Dawson ever being as good with the ball at his feet as King and will obviously never have his pace.

King was a one off.

Dawson is certainly becoming a very good centre half, which we desperately need... but I personally feel that fans get carried away with how good he is. You can see why, he shows desire, commitment and heart every minute he plays.

I hope he plays for us until he hangs up his boots, but he'll never be the King.

I can't agree with this. Dawson's use of the ball, while over ambitous at times, has become as good as any other centre back in the country this season. I have lost count of the amount of atacks started by accurate diagonal balls out to the flanks from deep in our own half.

He is calm, his positioning is (now) generally excellent, he is no slouch, he wins almost every header that comes in either from the flanks or opposing goal kicks. I would have supported selling him in the summer as I didnt feel he had prgressed to the point where he could be relied upon for a top four push but as far as I am concerned he should at least be in our first choice back two, if not first choice full stop. He is rarely injured and still young and represents the future of our defence, unless his progression becomes regression again.
 

Benny_Boy

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Just have too say that Dawson does, in my eyes, seem to have the same characteristics as Terry and the leadership too match (just isn't a tw@t)

Cappello surely must be running out of excuses as too why he shouldn't be in the England squad.
 

davidmatzdorf

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I agree with the general drift of the comments. Dawson's game has improved greatly and I now enjoy watching him receive the ball, look up and pass to a teammate, instead of expecting the ball to be bombed at a 45º angle upfield in the faint hope that it (a) might stay on the pitch and (b) might reach a teammate. We haven't seen too much of that in some time. I think that's partly a direct result of his improved reading of the game. He gets to the ball a bit earlier and that gives him an extra half second to make a considered decision about what to do next.

He's now a high quality Premiership defender, but he's still not as good as Ledley King - nor Woodgate, for that matter. King is extraordinary, one of the top defenders in world football. Woodgate has the advantages of experience, not only in terms of years but in terms of having played at length in more than one of the top leagues.

Dawson was pegged as future-captain material before he even left Forest. I remember reading that about him when we were negotiating the interminable Reid/Dawson deal. He's growing into the part as we watch.

But he has a long way to go before he's taken seriously as a regular choice for the England squad. He's playing well enough right now, but that represents a run of about 8-9 matches. Let's see him continue to play at this level for the rest of the season. Then he might deserve Capello's serious attention.
 

cwhite02

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Dawson is turning into a real top center back. He's not in the same mould as Kind, he's more or a Terry or as mentioned a certain old retired donkey from down the road.

Really pleased for him as he seems like a good lad, met him up in leeds a few years ago and was quite happy to talk footy (even tho I was a little worse for wear!!)
 

JoeT

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I know this post is about Michael Dawson and as such, do not wish to start a debate that will detract from his, rightly earned accolades.....but i.m.h.o. a fit Woodgate gives me more confidence than Daws., or maybe even King. Regardless of what others say, Daws. is still prone to that long deep-right-side to left-wing pass a little too much....even though he is starting to use it less these days.
Woodgate, for me, comes across as so fiercely competitive-especially when moving up for corner-kicks-the Carling Cup winner especially comes to mind. He gave a real Captain's performance that day.
However, the main thrust of the article; that of Daws's improvement and the new Bassong pairing does stand. These two should be Spurs' future....plus, as I asked on another thread, does Anton Ferdinand fit in there somewhere as well?
 

chinaman

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That's the best combination of a CD pair. The hard one challenging for every high ball and the crafty one who reads the game well, has pace to burn and the skills to lauch counter-attacks.
 

jolsnogross

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Dawson's likeness to Terry is one I agree with, although I think Terry is over-rated while Daws is under-rated. One aspect that has yet to be mentioned in this thread is the goal-scoring threat that Dawson is developing. He only has two so far I think, but the cracker against Villa during open play was hopefully a sign of confidence and calculated risk-taking that we'll see more of. His threat from corners requires a pretty good marker, which creates unease and ties up one of the opposition's best headers. Having said that, he needs to set a target of 6 for the league season and reach it.

On current form, Dawson should not be dropped for either King or Woodgate. If we're keeping clean sheets and he's leading the team well, I see no reason to drop him.
 

liewser

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I can't agree with this. Dawson's use of the ball, while over ambitous at times, has become as good as any other centre back in the country this season. I have lost count of the amount of atacks started by accurate diagonal balls out to the flanks from deep in our own half.

i think when ppl are talking about a player "with the ball at his feet" it refers more to touch in possession as opposed to how the ball is distributed (i think!). Whereas you always feel safe in the knowledge that king will have a good first touch, and should an attacker choose to shut him down he can quite easily drop a shoulder and glide away, Dawson is more flat footed (a la Terry) and should he come under similar pressure he will be quicker to stick the ball in row z. He (again like Terry) is a bit more heavy footed compared to our other cb's and does have those glaring errors, his misjudged header against blackburn letting mccarthy in is a case in point and we were lucky to get away from that with our lead in tact.

That said, his form in general this season has been impressive, but he is no king. Still not a fan of his diagonal, I lost count of how many times it didnt work way before it started making any real inroads, (and picking up scraps frm contended balls counts for little when measuring success imo) although ill put that down to my general disdain towards any punts upfield and admit that it is necessary to attempt it once in a while to keep opposing defences honest.
 

walworthyid

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Dawson's likeness to Terry is one I agree with, although I think Terry is over-rated while Daws is under-rated. One aspect that has yet to be mentioned in this thread is the goal-scoring threat that Dawson is developing. He only has two so far I think, but the cracker against Villa during open play was hopefully a sign of confidence and calculated risk-taking that we'll see more of. His threat from corners requires a pretty good marker, which creates unease and ties up one of the opposition's best headers. Having said that, he needs to set a target of 6 for the league season and reach it.

On current form, Dawson should not be dropped for either King or Woodgate. If we're keeping clean sheets and he's leading the team well, I see no reason to drop him.

Because they are better than him?
 

blochuk

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If Ledley was injury free he would have been considered one of the worlds best defenders if not the best defender of his generation. As it is he is like a classic Rolls Royce which is class every time its taken out of the garage. Sadly Ledley is in the garage more than out of it over the last couple years

As for Dawson he has been very good for us this season which has been very pleasing but Ledley King he is not.
 
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