Levy plans to stay long term but must consider takeover bids

[Metalhead]

not sure where you're going with this. We have three injury prone CMs, plus Dier who's a jack of all trades. I don't count Onomah or Sissoko. Or the younger kids. We should have bought a good new one. That usually costs money. We didn't spend any. I think you can see the correlation.

Anyway, time to focus on the game. Good to see pace on both wings. Fingers crossed.

Not going anywhere with it really. My point was made in my post. People worry too much about 'doing a Leeds' and defending lack of spending and spend loads of time debating the intricacies of the commercial side of the club. I am probably sounding out of touch but people never spent that much time talking about it back in the day.

 

[mkkid]

It's simply amazing how he got all that land, stadium and facilities completely free-of-charge overnight.

It makes me howl when the anti-Levy brigade seem to be under some impression that we were Man Utd under Alan Sugar [/QUOT
I feel just the same when the levites, go on about the 1990s, Leeds and the training ground.

 

[spursfan77]

It's simply amazing how he got all that land, stadium and facilities completely free-of-charge overnight.

It makes me howl when the anti-Levy brigade seem to be under some impression that we were Man Utd under Alan Sugar

It’s amazing isn’t it. I just don’t think they were fans then. They can’t of been.

 

[Metalhead]

It's simply amazing how he got all that land, stadium and facilities completely free-of-charge overnight.

It makes me howl when the anti-Levy brigade seem to be under some impression that we were Man Utd under Alan Sugar

True and Levy has always had a vision that Sugar never seemed to have (outside of the TV aspect) but looking at it from the other side, how long does Sugar get to be the yardstick though? I think that a lot of fans on here are pretty much in the middle though. The so-called BsoDL and Levy out brigade are a minority, no?

 

[sausage]

True and Levy has always had a vision that Sugar never seemed to have (outside of the TV aspect) but looking at it from the other side, how long does Sugar get to be the yardstick though? I think that a lot of fans on here are pretty much in the middle though. The so-called BsoDL and Levy out brigade are a minority, no?

It's not really that aspect that bothers me - it's the fact that the Anti-Levy brigade are so ignorant of the reality of things. It's like listen to someone saying that Jennifer Lawrence is a hideous minger because they don't like her acting.

I never hear people criticise Scholar for selling our best players, because it's all put down to the Heysel punishments that kept us out of Europe - yet at the same time, I rarely hear anyone point out that we'd have probably have several trophies during the ENIC period if it hadn't have coincided with a period of oligarchs buying titles with extreme levels of short-term financing.

It's almost like a new category should compliment the BSoDL thing - maybe the SDoDL (Step Dad of Daniel Levy), as for some he'll just always be an eternal bastard who can do no right.

 

[Metalhead]

It's not really that aspect that bothers me - it's the fact that the Anti-Levy brigade are so ignorant of the reality of things. It's like listen to someone saying that Jennifer Lawrence is a hideous minger because they don't like her acting.

I never hear people criticise Scholar for selling our best players, because it's all put down to the Heysel punishments that kept us out of Europe - yet at the same time, I rarely hear anyone point out that we'd have probably have several trophies during the ENIC period if it hadn't have coincided with a period of oligarchs buying titles with extreme levels of short-term financing.

It's almost like a new category should compliment the BSoDL thing - maybe the SDoDL (Step Dad of Daniel Levy), as for some he'll just always be an eternal bastard who can do no right.

That's the problem. I think it's a minority but some people will turn anything around to it being Levy's fault without any pause for thought or to consider whether there are extenuating circumstance or if it's beyond his control but equally some people seem to leap in and defend him, almost like it's not possible that he can put a foot wrong. Take the stadium issue - Levy isn't a builder and neither would I imagine that he had much building expertise prior to the project starting up and he's had to leave large elements in the hands of those that do so to me, I don't blame him for the actual delays but equally I can see that the PR aspect around it has not been the best. That's an example, I hope of being somewhere in the middle.

 

[wrd]

It’s amazing isn’t it. I just don’t think they were fans then. They can’t of been.

Maybe not everybody has the same oh we failed worse before so our shortcoming don't matter now attitude. People want to see these players succeed and you can point out weaknesses without having the back in the 90s brigade dismissing valid criticisms. Honestly some people in here would see a guy lose an arm and go could be worse you could lose two arms.

 

[sausage]

That's the problem. I think it's a minority but some people will turn anything around to it being Levy's fault without any pause for thought or to consider whether there are extenuating circumstance or if it's beyond his control but equally some people seem to leap in and defend him, almost like it's not possible that he can put a foot wrong. Take the stadium issue - Levy isn't a builder and neither would I imagine that he had much building expertise prior to the project starting up and he's had to leave large elements in the hands of those that do so to me, I don't blame him for the actual delays but equally I can see that the PR aspect around it has not been the best. That's an example, I hope of being somewhere in the middle.

I know what you mean, and I get that in many aspects (including his own admission, according to what Donna Cullen has said) the buck stops with him, but the unfortunate aspect is that too many people judge and berate the club based on what is "leaked".

I do imagine he's had enough building experience, what with the new offices/supermarket thing, the new training ground, and whatever else he's done in his career (isn't he qualified in something land related?), but there are likely to be several layers of project management that stand between him and the job. I doubt, for example, it would be physically possible for him to control every aspect of the build, never mind the club. Regardless, it does sound like the delay has been due to some sort of fuck up around the electrics, which I'm not sure is fully controllable by the customer, and would be purely down to the contractor or design/planning.

It'd be a bit different if we had a special edition of Grand Designs, where Daniel was scampering up a Screwfix Step Ladder with some twin and earth, saying "Well, we can save quite a bit of money on the build if I do the wiring myself. I just need to remember what colours these wires should be in new money"

 

[Metalhead]

I know what you mean, and I get that in many aspects (including his own admission, according to what Donna Cullen has said) the buck stops with him, but the unfortunate aspect is that too many people judge and berate the club based on what is "leaked".

I do imagine he's had enough building experience, what with the new offices/supermarket thing, the new training ground, and whatever else he's done in his career (isn't he qualified in something land related?), but there are likely to be several layers of project management that stand between him and the job. I doubt, for example, it would be physically possible for him to control every aspect of the build, never mind the club. Regardless, it does sound like the delay has been due to some sort of fuck up around the electrics, which I'm not sure is fully controllable by the customer, and would be purely down to the contractor or design/planning.

It'd be a bit different if we had a special edition of Grand Designs, where Daniel was scampering up a Screwfix Step Ladder with some twin and earth, saying "Well, we can save quite a bit of money on the build if I do the wiring myself. I just need to remember what colours these wires should be in new money"

DIY SOS! Levy could have called in Nick Knowles and the team - they always knock out a project in about 10 minutes!

 

[sausage]

DIY SOS! Levy could have called in Nick Knowles and the team - they always knock out a project in about 10 minutes!

We can sell it based on "a little boy with Alopecia and Dwarfism whose home has been left UNFINISHED and DANGEROUS after some CALLOUS builders REFUSED to complete the stadium - despite taking £500 MILLION in payments!"

(Daily Express style caps added for effect on the programme synopsis)

 

[jimbo]

True and Levy has always had a vision that Sugar never seemed to have (outside of the TV aspect) but looking at it from the other side, how long does Sugar get to be the yardstick though? I think that a lot of fans on here are pretty much in the middle though. The so-called BsoDL and Levy out brigade are a minority, no?

To be honest, I think the middle ground is the minority. Generals don't fight in the front lines but they take the credit for victories and the blame for defeats. Levy deserves, proportionally, credit for our successes and blame for our failures. The unfortunate thing is that this season we have had two fairly big failings, one in the transfer window and the other with the stadium delay. Neither are entirely his fault, but as the head of the club he should bare some of the responsibility. The focus is on the negative at the moment because you're only as good as your last game, yet our upward trend since he took charge has been positive, despite set backs during his tenure. The problem with the transfer side of things is that his mistakes, if we call them that, are repeated and predictable.

What we do in the January window will be an indicator of where we go from here, in the short-term at least. If the stadium is still an issue at that point it will no doubt distract from our effectiveness. I don't want Levy to go, but I would like him to either learn or delegate when it comes to the business of improving the team. He'd done this quite successfully until recently. Perhaps his biggest mistake this season is in trying to do two incredibly important things at the same time. In my opinion we badly needed an adviser on the transfer side, trusted by Levy enough to get on with securing deals for players Pochettino wants. A simplification of a complex business, but you get my drift.

If we end up losing Pochettino, arguably the best manager we could have for the Levy model, all bets are off. He would either have to spend hard to bring in a big name manager and back him with funds or try and find another long-term project coach. In the latter scenario I could see fan patience wearing thin (or thinner), mine included.

 

[Metalhead]

Yeah - perfectly reasonable post IMO.

 

[coys200]

If I’m Levy there’s absolutely no question now is the perfect time to sell, it literally couldn’t be more perfect. Obviously the infrastructure is now perfect, the squad was was valued 2nd in Europe value wise. Also there’s still enough growth as in actually winning stuff to interest an Abramovich type buyer. There’s the potential to take us to the very highest level. If he hangs on it could get a lot tougher. I believe the top 6 will become a top 8. Everton will keep spending and get it right eventually. And Wolves owners have serious intent. None of us know how quickly this squad could crumble. Can we really maintain our status for another 5 years with such a limited spend. I honestly believe as a product to sell this is the peak.

 

[Metalhead]

If I’m Levy there’s absolutely no question now is the perfect time to sell, it literally couldn’t be more perfect. Obviously the infrastructure is now perfect, the squad was was valued 2nd in Europe value wise. Also there’s still enough growth as in actually winning stuff to interest an Abramovich type buyer. There’s the potential to take us to the very highest level. If he hangs on it could get a lot tougher. I believe the top 6 will become a top 8. Everton will keep spending and get it right eventually. And Wolves owners have serious intent. None of us know how quickly this squad could crumble. Can we really maintain our status for another 5 years with such a limited spend. I honestly believe as a product to sell this is the peak.

I'd be interested in what others think. You've made some decent points but I can't honestly see him selling right now although saying that, the cost of the stadium has gone up dramatically and I'm not doubting the club's ability to repay the various loans etc. that have been taken out but it would be interesting to know whether the club are more open to selling as a result.

 

[mkkid]

Yet again they have spent ,22 million pounds to buy the club then spent another 40 million to buy up the rest of the shares and charged the club for it.He gets paid 6 million a year, when he trying to sell us to the yanks, you can’t see enough of him on spurs website.Your currently more likely to see Lord Lucan that the glorious leader.
No players signed, the stadium fiasco,ticketing fiasco ,fixture issue .In any other business the chairman would be Getting it in the neck.

 

[mkkid]

It's not really that aspect that bothers me - it's the fact that the Anti-Levy brigade are so ignorant of the reality of things. It's like listen to someone saying that Jennifer Lawrence is a hideous minger because they don't like her acting.

I never hear people criticise Scholar for selling our best players, because it's all put down to the Heysel punishments that kept us out of Europe - yet at the same time, I rarely hear anyone point out that we'd have probably have several trophies during the ENIC period if it hadn't have coincided with a period of oligarchs buying titles with extreme levels of short-term financing.

It's almost like a new category should compliment the BSoDL thing - maybe the SDoDL (Step Dad of Daniel Levy), as for some he'll just always be an eternal bastard who can do no right.

Actually they did at the time, I can remember the daily mirror have a go at scholar,there was no really social media for fans then and fanzines did really take off at Tottenham until sugar out debate.
There are always clubs that dominate a league, but one trophy in 18 years is failure .He was willing to spend money,when he thought we going to get relegated but the opportunity to win the league Sasha and Nelson roll up.There are things he has done well but criticism is deserved.

 

[coys200]

Just bumping this so the discussion can be moved from January transfer thread.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Ok @coys200 i will try and post in here now rather than the transfer thread.

Put simply I’m in a horrible dilemma. I think ENIC are terrible owners who are taking our cash - either at the stadium or our army of armchair fans - and using it to build a property portfolio while starving the football squad of the investment it needs. This should lead me to want them to sell but given the price they are demanding - £2bn - the only type of owner we get will be even more focussed on getting a return on their asset which again will only come from monetising us the fans.

To rub salt in the wound ENIC are selling us a lie by suggesting that once the stadium is built we will compete in the transfer market. We won’t compete with them as owners. Just look at the training ground, a big capital investment, wotld class, but what have we done to populate it with world class youth ? Nothing, we are constantly surpassed in the race for the best youth by Man City and Chelsea because at youth level fees and wages dominate.

I don’t know about others but I’d rather see a Bale on the pitch than a cheese room in the stadium.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Ok @coys200

I don’t know about others but I’d rather see a Bale on the pitch than a cheese room in the stadium.

What, despite the fact that, like Modric & Berbatov, the guy practically made it impossible to keep hold of him, blatantly forced his way out of the club & left Levy with no other option than to screw the buying club for every penny he could, with one deal bringing a world record fee?

I get your point. It just pisses me off when people constantly bring up sold players as a stick to beat Levy with when, in all reality, he's never sold a single top class THFC player that hasn't made it clear we have no choice but to sell him.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

What, despite the fact that, like Modric & Berbatov, the guy practically made it impossible to keep hold of him, blatantly forced his way out of the club & left Levy with no other option than to screw the buying club for every penny he could, with one deal bringing a world record fee?

I get your point. It just pisses me off when people constantly bring up sold players as a stick to beat Levy with when, in all reality, he's never sold a single top class THFC player that hasn't made it clear we have no choice but to sell him.

That wasn’t the point I was making I was generically referring to world class players but didn’t want to pick a random player who hasn’t played at Spurs, I could just easily have put Neymar instead of Bale but then had everyone say I was being hugely unrealistic.