Levy, ENIC and DC

[midoNdefoe]

Ah there we are then, let's never buy another footballer again!! Is that what you're advocating mate? Trusting to luck? Hoping for the best? Hardly the most robust of footballing or business strategies for a multi-million pound organisation, is it? Wouldn't you want a more considered and stringent approach than "not buying footballers and hoping it all works out"?!

I'm just not wetting the bed and resenting the club for not buying someone in 2 windows.

You could argue that we've done better in the season following not buying anyone than all of the previous windows when we had.
Work that one out chap!

It's nothing to do with hoping. You seem to be discounting any of the work that the coaching staff are doing. They are at a point, in my opinion, where they are only willing to put the relentless hardwork in with players who are worth the effort - we aren't buying players who are in the starting lineup two weeks later, its a slow integration period. So it's only worth buying the right players when they become available. If they dont become available, we're better off not buying and coaching what we have...

 

[midoNdefoe]

If you ignore trophies - we're on fire

There are 4 cups available each year, we're still in the biggest 2 at the business end of the season...

 

[LeParisien]

Why would you go there mate? That's an incredibly arrogant and judgemental thing to say. Questioning why investment in the NPD has been prioritised and correspondingly, spending on the squad subordinated, isn't a "character flaw", it's a very real concern; especially if paying for it might affect our ability to complete in the transfer market for the foreseeable future. And it's really facile and patronising to try and diminish that concern to just supporters lacking patience and wanting "instant gratification". I'm sure it's ennobling for you to advocate "depriving oneself in the short term for bigger gains in the long term", but what does that actually, practically mean; how long or short are those "terms"? 10 years of future "transfer austerity" à la the Scum? Do you know for sure? Because I know I don't. If ENIC were to sell the Club for the purported £2 billion asking price, do you not question if that might impact on the "spending power" of future owners? Now these are all questions that remain unanswerable until we know ENIC's endgame. But they're also concerns that certainly shouldn't be dismissed so patronisingly out of hand. If the transfer inactivity of this last year becomes a continuing trend or even just an indicator of future windows, we have every right to debate it,; to question our owner's motives. That doesn't make you a "flawed" human being; just a concerned supporter. So while you're busy commending yourself for your "impeccable character" and superior patience, us "flawed supporters" wait in a different way ...to see what ENIC do next.

I said that wanting immediate gratification is a character flaw. You might disagree with me on that. Or you might disagree with me that your view on the club can be characterised as “wanting immediate gratification”.

Your concerns about us spending 10 years like Arsenal are unlikely. TV money has increased massively in the past decade and our revenue is currently a smidge behind Arsenal’s, and our new stadium isn’t open yet. You also assume that we would have the same approach to transfers that Arsenal had and that we haven’t learned any lessons from their experience.

Nobody is going to buy the club for £2 billion. Nobody.

 

[buckley]

Plus as of now there is no stadium ; shirt sleeve ; training ground sponsors.
Levy will get sponsors for these and over a possible 20 year deal all the debt will be covered thus allowing higher stadium revenue for team investment .
Also there is the new Hotel and housing builds over the coming years to increase further the team investments.

 

[Lilbaz]

Plus as of now there is no stadium ; shirt sleeve ; training ground sponsors.
Levy will get sponsors for these and over a possible 20 year deal all the debt will be covered thus allowing higher stadium revenue for team investment .
Also there is the new Hotel and housing builds over the coming years to increase further the team investments.

So is all that going to be in place for the summer? Because eriksen, jan, and toby will be in the last year of their contracts. Llorente and vorm will both be free agents. Dembelle has gone. Wanyama looks like he can't be relied upon.

 

[LeParisien]

So is all that going to be in place for the summer? Because eriksen, jan, and toby will be in the last year of their contracts. Llorente and vorm will both be free agents. Dembelle has gone. Wanyama looks like he can't be relied upon.

It’s Poch, Levy and the club’s job to worry about that. I’m sure they’re thinking about it and have a plan. Do you not trust them?

 

[Lilbaz]

It’s Poch, Levy and the club’s job to worry about that. I’m sure they’re thinking about it and have a plan. Do you not trust them?

I think we are in trouble. The stadium overrun, the fact that we can't get the naming rights deal done (sacking the company trying to find us a deal in the process) two transfer windows with nobody coming in all points to the fact that we have little money for players. With this many players on the verge of leaving and our manager being courted by the biggest clubs in the world points to us having a big problem.

 

[Shadydan]

I think we are in trouble. The stadium overrun, the fact that we can't get the naming rights deal done (sacking the company trying to find us a deal in the process) two transfer windows with nobody coming in all points to the fact that we have little money for players. With this many players on the verge of leaving and our manager being courted by the biggest clubs in the world points to us having a big problem.

So more or less just like a regular day at Spurs in the last few years then, seemingly on the verge of crumbling and falling away...

 

[LeParisien]

I think we are in trouble. The stadium overrun, the fact that we can't get the naming rights deal done (sacking the company trying to find us a deal in the process) two transfer windows with nobody coming in all points to the fact that we have little money for players. With this many players on the verge of leaving and our manager being courted by the biggest clubs in the world points to us having a big problem.

Poch, Levy and all itk say that we do have money to spend. So that claim is highly unlikely to be true.

Poch leaving is a threat. But he is on a long term deal and could not have said more to reassure us he is staying.

The squad situation will need work but that just brings us back to the original point - why don’t you trust Levy, Poch et al given their exceptional record ?

 

[Paolo10]

We've had about 7 years of the 'be patient' ITK tbh.

My character must be deeply flawed.

 

[buckley]

If you want trophies every year your supporting the wrong club you need to follow a club with oil money backing or an oligarch.

 

[Lilbaz]

Poch, Levy and all itk say that we do have money to spend. So that claim is highly unlikely to be true.

Poch leaving is a threat. But he is on a long term deal and could not have said more to reassure us he is staying.

The squad situation will need work but that just brings us back to the original point - why don’t you trust Levy, Poch et al given their exceptional record ?

I trust them to do the best they can with the resources they have got. Will that be enough to not see a decline on the pitch? I don't know and neither do you. So there is an issue. We need extra resources.

I was the original bsodl, a&c probably had me (as well as a couple of others) in mind when he coined the term. So don't think this is me having a moan and hating levy. I just think that the stadium has meant that we have for years operated on an almost zero net spend policy. That was fine when we would sell a big player and reinvest in young potential. We grew under that policy. The over run of the stadium (and other issues) meant we had to borrow a further £230m. In total our debt is in the region of £500-600m. How long will that take to pay off? Add to that a number of top players running down their contracts or leaving and we are in trouble. Saying i'm sure levy and poch have a plan does not make that problem go away. We need investment. Levy is meant to be looking at a bond issue and obviously naming rights. So far zero.

 

[Lilbaz]

If you want trophies every year your supporting the wrong club you need to follow a club with oil money backing or an oligarch.

Comon that is a bit unfair. We've won two league cups since 1991. Almost 30 years.

 

[wrd]

I trust them to do the best they can with the resources they have got. Will that be enough to not see a decline on the pitch? I don't know and neither do you. So there is an issue. We need extra resources.

I was the original bsodl, a&c probably had me (as well as a couple of others) in mind when he coined the term. So don't think this is me having a moan and hating levy. I just think that the stadium has meant that we have for years operated on an almost zero net spend policy. That was fine when we would sell a big player and reinvest in young potential. We grew under that policy. The over run of the stadium (and other issues) meant we had to borrow a further £230m. In total our debt is in the region of £500-600m. How long will that take to pay off? Add to that a number of top players running down their contracts or leaving and we are in trouble. Saying i'm sure levy and poch have a plan does not make that problem go away. We need investment. Levy is meant to be looking at a bond issue and obviously naming rights. So far zero.

It's my concern too, the project was meant to cost a certain amount there have been problems with the stadium, the bill has increased significantly and we as fans do not have the knowledge of how we are going to deal with these unforeseen increases. When you don't have all the information and it's something you care about it's only natural to have concern regardless of whether people choose to dismiss it or not.

 

[midoNdefoe]

We've had about 7 years of the 'be patient' ITK tbh.

My character must be deeply flawed.

Is this in reference to something or just throwing out a statement....

 

[Lilbaz]

It's my concern too, the project was meant to cost a certain amount there have been problems with the stadium, the bill has increased significantly and we as fans do not have the knowledge of how we are going to deal with these unforeseen increases. When you don't have all the information and it's something you care about it's only natural to have concern regardless of whether people choose to dismiss it or not.

I'd just like either naming rights, bond issue or a share issue to come through. We've had what 10 years of playing with one hand tied behind our back. I just want a more level playing field.

Last summer we were looking at moving into the new stadium. We should have got the money to buy one or two class players to build excitement and make a push for the title. We didn't. We didn't move in but we are still in spitting distance of the top. Next summer can't be the same with key players seeing out their contracts.

 

[LeParisien]

We've had about 7 years of the 'be patient' ITK tbh.

My character must be deeply flawed.

7 years ago, were you thinking we could imminently win the league or CL if we made the right moves?

Flawed thinking

 

[LeParisien]

I trust them to do the best they can with the resources they have got. Will that be enough to not see a decline on the pitch? I don't know and neither do you. So there is an issue. We need extra resources.

I was the original bsodl, a&c probably had me (as well as a couple of others) in mind when he coined the term. So don't think this is me having a moan and hating levy. I just think that the stadium has meant that we have for years operated on an almost zero net spend policy. That was fine when we would sell a big player and reinvest in young potential. We grew under that policy. The over run of the stadium (and other issues) meant we had to borrow a further £230m. In total our debt is in the region of £500-600m. How long will that take to pay off? Add to that a number of top players running down their contracts or leaving and we are in trouble. Saying i'm sure levy and poch have a plan does not make that problem go away. We need investment. Levy is meant to be looking at a bond issue and obviously naming rights. So far zero.

I agree with most of that.

All clubs can identify threats to their position and areas they are falling short. Unlike all but Man C and Liverpool, we can say we are on a sustained period of improvement and growth. We’re on the up and it’s an exciting time to be a spurs fan.

 

[Lighty64]

I think we are in trouble. The stadium overrun, the fact that we can't get the naming rights deal done (sacking the company trying to find us a deal in the process) two transfer windows with nobody coming in all points to the fact that we have little money for players. With this many players on the verge of leaving and our manager being courted by the biggest clubs in the world points to us having a big problem.

we never bought in the summer because by the time the window closed we hadn't sold anyone, and you can only have a 25 man squad, and we had to send 2 out on loan to cut the 28 senior players down to 26 with Janssen not included due to injury. in the January window we only sold Dembele only leaving 1 spot, and also needing to have 1 HG player in to guarantee Poch never broke a promise to include Foyth. I believe if Poch had broke that promise we might of been looking for a Foyth replacement in the summer.

 

[buckley]

Plenty of clubs never won anything /ziltch/F.all. I don't hear them forever moaning about lack of trophies .
There are some on here that have a feeling they are entitled to win well thats not how it works .
Just check out our history we have won plenty some of which have been firsts.
I am sure we will be winning things in the near future and the 60s. 70s and 80s will be revisited with regard to winning cups I would not ask anyone to be patient as it seems to offend them I would just ask they keep the faith.COYS