Levy, ENIC and DC

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I've never seen this. Even amongst the most die hard anti-Levyites, the most rabid nutcases, the good he's done gets acknowledged. I honestly can't recall a total denial happening and if it did it was surely just one or two persons who had temporarily escaped supervised care. I just cannot recall seeing anyone say Willow has not ever done any good for Spurs and certainly not to the extent it must be happening for you to get the itch about it.

#confused

A&C, it's statements proclaiming that the club is where it's at despite of Levy/ENIC (which have happened), rather than because of them.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

A&C, it's statements proclaiming that the club is where it's at despite of Levy/ENIC (which have happened), rather than because of them.

Ah that Yeah I've seen that a couple of times. Don't take it seriously, people on both sides of the fence say silly things, its hardly widespread enough to worry about. Yet

 

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You write as though the football side and the financial side are competing interests. In fact they are fully aligned.

Levy has spoken about being a steward of the club and everything he has done is consistent with that.

Don't you believe the NPD and the increase in its related costs has impacted on player recrutment? Or do you think it's a just an unfortunate coincident that during the time when the Club has been haemorrhaging money all over Harringey and Brent trying to remedy the Stadium mis-management we've not made a single signing?

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Ah that Yeah I've seen that a couple of times. Don't take it seriously, people on both sides of the fence say silly things, its hardly widespread enough to worry about. Yet

Thankfully I only ever talk with the utmost of common sense & unquestionable knowledge.

 

[dudu]

Totally agree with you, Coops. The hatred and animosity is senseless. It certainly doesn't allow anyone to assess ENIC's operations in a balanced and dispassionate way. This website alone is clearly indicative of just how polarised options are; there never seems to be any middle ground, does there mate? What I would say though, Coops, is an expectation on behalf of supporters for the Board of a football team to actually spend money on buying a footballer shouldn't be viewed as "a sense of entitlement"; rather it should be seen as a basic requirement. Our owners haven't done that in over a year. (And let's remember that the last one they bought, only came about when "the financials suddenly moved our way"; which I believe might be ITK code for, "he became a lot cheaper"!). Let me say that again, mate: our owners haven't invested in the squad in over a year!! I don't think any supporter should feel compelled to be "ok" about that. Regardless of the credit ENIC undoubtedly deserve for developing the profile of the Club, their recent(?) transfer record has clearly not been good enough, Coops. And for me, it serves as the single most arresting factor why many question their motives moving forward. Hope all's good with you mate.

New contracts for players and staff don't count as an investment in the squad then?

What was it two seasons ago? last year? so many people on here bricking it because the media was in a frenzy about how little we paid our players and how everyone would be off?

I think you talk some sense about this stuff but I also don't think supporters should be compelled to feel that buying new players is always a basic requirement when we are clearly and obviously spending a shed load of money elsewhere ATM.

 

[scat1620]

Unless you’d take a domestic cup you’re so desperate ..?

I'm that desperate, and honestly with our trophy record since I've been watching Spurs (1995/96) I can't understand how anyone would think that 'only' winning an FA Cup or a League Cup wouldn't be a massive, massive achievement for us.

 

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New contracts for players and staff don't count as an investment in the squad then?

What was it two seasons ago? last year? so many people on here bricking it because the media was in a frenzy about how little we paid our players and how everyone would be off?

I think you talk some sense about this stuff but I also don't think supporters should be compelled to feel that buying new players is always a basic requirement when we are clearly and obviously spending a shed load of money elsewhere ATM.

With respect, Dudu, I'm not really sure what you're arguing here. Are you making a case for NOT improving the squad? Surely buying footballers is a fundamental operating principle for any professional football team; particularly an elite one? As is paying those footballers "market rate". (Thankfully, the Club has perhaps heeded that "media frenzy" advice, and is now - at least in some cases - paying our elite players the type of wages their talent commands). I mean, I can understand supporters of other clubs not wanting us to improve the playing squad, but not our own fans! Don't you want to see our manager backed with the type of addition/s that could seriously improve the team? Apologies if I've misinterpreted your post mate.

 

[LeParisien]

Don't you believe the NPD and the increase in its related costs has impacted on player recrutment? Or do you think it's a just an unfortunate coincident that during the time when the Club has been haemorrhaging money all over Harringey and Brent trying to remedy the Stadium mis-management we've not made a single signing?

Without a stadium then in the short term we would have invested more in the playing side. Yes.

Of course everyone would love to see big signings. But the clubs growth involves investment and investment involves depriving oneself in the short term for bigger gains in the long term.

Perception of this seems pretty skewed so that those with a disposition towards building for tomorrow are more patient with the club and those who want instant gratification are less patient with the club. I see the latter as a character flaw.

 

[Metalhead]

Without a stadium then in the short term we would have invested more in the playing side. Yes.

Of course everyone would love to see big signings. But the clubs growth involves investment and investment involves depriving oneself in the short term for bigger gains in the long term.

Perception of this seems pretty skewed so that those with a disposition towards building for tomorrow are more patient with the club and those who want instant gratification are less patient with the club. I see the latter as a character flaw.

It’s a tricky balance to an extent. The club has to stay competitive to the extent that we can continue to achieve CL qualification, which will help to fill the stadium, thereby providing extra revenue both on match days and through the money gained by being in the group stages especially. It’s very easy to drop out of the top 4 and it can be a struggle to get back in. So far Poch is doing an amazing job on the resources he has.

 

[dudu]

With respect, Dudu, I'm not really sure what you're arguing here. Are you making a case for NOT improving the squad? Surely buying footballers is a fundamental operating principle for any professional football team; particularly an elite one? As is paying those footballers "market rate". (Thankfully, the Club has perhaps heeded that "media frenzy" advice, and is now - at least in some cases - paying our elite players the type of wages their talent commands). I mean, I can understand supporters of other clubs not wanting us to improve the playing squad, but not our own fans! Don't you want to see our manager backed with the type of addition/s that could seriously improve the team? Apologies if I've misinterpreted your post mate.

No worries mate - in no way whatsoever am I implying or suggesting that the squad should not be improved.

You said it yourself - our manager wants to be backed with players that would seriously improve the team - we were not able to get those players so we got nothing instead.

The notion of circumstance has been completely removed from your argument and, without acknowledging that this summer and season things haven't necessarily been typical for us in terms of outgoing expenditure, i don't feel that you are really being honest about the situation.

It's like a kid complaining that they aren't getting a new game for his ps4 on Christmas because his parents bought him a new slimline ps4 as the old one was falling apart.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Dated October 2018 so not that long ago at all.

At a meeting with the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust on Tuesday evening at Lilywhite House, the club's offices alongside the new stadium, Levy and his team were quizzed on the lack of transfer activity and whether there would be funds for January transfers.

In the minutes of that meeting, which have now been released on the Trust's website , Levy's answers are detailed.

"Daniel Levy explained that the club had based the summer window on certain assumptions that some players might be leaving and certain targets would be available," read the minutes.

"Mauricio Pochettino didn’t want to sign someone for the sake of it. He felt there were sufficient players in the squad, and that those coming back from injury would be like new signings.

"Daniel Levy said that, concerning budgets, the stadium won’t directly impact on the transfer policy. There is a certain amount earmarked for transfers and the club can only spend what is available.

"He also said that transfers were complicated with several variables so it was not possible to work out in advance how much you could spend in a given window."

So there's money there. Some people are OK with it and that's fair enough, others frustrated, seeing it as an opportunity to 'close the gap' or show our established players some ambition and that opportunity is being missed. That's also fair enough. There's nothing wrong with holding either view.

I keep seeing the stadium given as a reason for our not spending but that's obviously not true (unless daddy is lying through his teeth) so we take what's said at face and carry on hoping.

I feel we've dodged a bullet this year where signings are concerned but we won't always get away with it, it could easily have gone tits this season..........but there's going to come a time where if we don't spend, it's certainly going to see us go backwards, all we can do is hope Nicknack and Pochettino get it right.

Personally I really don't think we'll see a repeat of the last two transfer windows this summer.

 

[Lilbaz]

Dated October 2018 so not that long ago at all.

At a meeting with the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust on Tuesday evening at Lilywhite House, the club's offices alongside the new stadium, Levy and his team were quizzed on the lack of transfer activity and whether there would be funds for January transfers.

In the minutes of that meeting, which have now been released on the Trust's website , Levy's answers are detailed.

"Daniel Levy explained that the club had based the summer window on certain assumptions that some players might be leaving and certain targets would be available," read the minutes.

"Mauricio Pochettino didn’t want to sign someone for the sake of it. He felt there were sufficient players in the squad, and that those coming back from injury would be like new signings.

"Daniel Levy said that, concerning budgets, the stadium won’t directly impact on the transfer policy. There is a certain amount earmarked for transfers and the club can only spend what is available.

"He also said that transfers were complicated with several variables so it was not possible to work out in advance how much you could spend in a given window."

So there's money there. Some people are OK with it and that's fair enough, others frustrated, seeing it as an opportunity to 'close the gap' or show our established players some ambition and that opportunity is being missed. That's also fair enough. There's nothing wrong with holding either view.

I keep seeing the stadium given as a reason for our not spending but that's obviously not true (unless daddy is lying through his teeth) so we take what's said at face and carry on hoping.

I feel we've dodged a bullet this year where signings are concerned but we won't always get away with it, it could easily have gone tits this season..........but there's going to come a time where if we don't spend, it's certainly going to see us go backwards, all we can do is hope Nicknack and Pochettino get it right.

Personally I really don't think we'll see a repeat of the last two transfer windows this summer.

Don't think he's lying. He's just being purposefully vague. The transfer budget seems to be around £0 and what happens with the stadium wont effect that.

Would it be more if the stadium was paid for or we weren't building it, ofcourse.

 

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Without a stadium then in the short term we would have invested more in the playing side. Yes.

Of course everyone would love to see big signings. But the clubs growth involves investment and investment involves depriving oneself in the short term for bigger gains in the long term.

Perception of this seems pretty skewed so that those with a disposition towards building for tomorrow are more patient with the club and those who want instant gratification are less patient with the club. I see the latter as a character flaw.

Why would you go there mate? That's an incredibly arrogant and judgemental thing to say. Questioning why investment in the NPD has been prioritised and correspondingly, spending on the squad subordinated, isn't a "character flaw", it's a very real concern; especially if paying for it might affect our ability to complete in the transfer market for the foreseeable future. And it's really facile and patronising to try and diminish that concern to just supporters lacking patience and wanting "instant gratification". I'm sure it's ennobling for you to advocate "depriving oneself in the short term for bigger gains in the long term", but what does that actually, practically mean; how long or short are those "terms"? 10 years of future "transfer austerity" à la the Scum? Do you know for sure? Because I know I don't. If ENIC were to sell the Club for the purported £2 billion asking price, do you not question if that might impact on the "spending power" of future owners? Now these are all questions that remain unanswerable until we know ENIC's endgame. But they're also concerns that certainly shouldn't be dismissed so patronisingly out of hand. If the transfer inactivity of this last year becomes a continuing trend or even just an indicator of future windows, we have every right to debate it,; to question our owner's motives. That doesn't make you a "flawed" human being; just a concerned supporter. So while you're busy commending yourself for your "impeccable character" and superior patience, us "flawed supporters" wait in a different way ...to see what ENIC do next.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

I'd rather have the opportunity for sustained success due to better infrastructure that will allow for improved squad investment in the future over blowing money to maybe win a few trophies then potentially go sliding back down.

I've said before, I believe Levy & Lewis are gearing up for a sale, and wants the club and its assets to be at it's highest possible point to get the most return. I don't have a major issue with that considering anyone coming in will want to push the club on for on-field success to go with the world class everything else. Then again i'm 33 and can afford to be patient.

 

[gaffers]

[QUOTE I'm happy to continue to explain this to you but I can't understand it for you.[/QUOTE]

Now you've patronised me, I realise how stupid I am. Sorry for being so stupid.

 

[gaffers]

You people talk as if we were always winning trophies pre Levy when in fact it was just as barren

Maybe WIKI Spurs and scroll down to 'Honours'...

 

[riggi]

Article in the Times which states that Levy was and still is furious with the £30 cap on ticket costs for away fans. Not read it as you have to sign up. I must admit that £30 is probably too cheap for 90 minutes of entertainment. But when you add on travel costs etc and Sky tv costs etc there is an argument that we should all pay £30. But it is more interesting on the slant on Levy's anger.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...way-tickets-according-to-email-leak-6crnc0fvp

I'm with levy on this one,for one reason. £30 means that a lot of fans have been buying tickets in the hope to then sell up at some point and hoard the loyalty points. If the cost was higher, I believe a lot wouldn't take that risk.

Also a lot of them are selling for inflated prices.

 

[gaffers]

I'm with levy on this one for one reason. £30 means that a lot of fans have been buying tickets in the hope to then sell up at some point and hoard the loyalty points. If the cost was higher, I believe a lot wouldn't take that risk.

Also a lot of them are selling for inflated prices.

Really?

 

[dontcallme]

Maybe WIKI Spurs and scroll down to 'Honours'...

And you whine about others patronising you.

The honours we received were a long time before ENIC took over.

 

[Lilbaz]

Maybe WIKI Spurs and scroll down to 'Honours'...

Tbf though, before levy when was the last time in mid feb we still had a shot at the league and cl?

Also since poch we've been to 3 semis and a final so our domestic cups isn't soo bad compared to 95% of teams.