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dontcallme

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What you quoting me for? I couldn’t care less how we do it. Your way, his way, their way, I have no preference, I’m a whore :D

We all know you are a whore.

Your post stated you didn’t care how we improve, sugar daddy or organically.

Within reason I agree.

I quoted to state how we can improve within our current model.

I know you are used to people arguing and disagreeing but I mostly post to chat.
 

gaffers

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Can't do that without the revenue to fund a squad brah, where does that money come from? Broadcast and matchday revenue.

What an unconscionable bastard Levy is for wanting to maximise gate receipts, pay off the stadium and enable Spurs to truly compete.

Or we could have stayed at WHL, backed the best manager in decades and tripled/quadrupled sponsorships by winning trophies.
 

gaffers

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This is what people fail to realise. There is a point where "if we pay them, they will come" goes out of the window and players will think more about where the biggest likelihood of success is.

If we somehow got tot the CL final and gave a really good account of ourselves or won the league whilst the northerners were trying to take lumps out of each other, we will find it easier to convince the right players to sign on the dotted line.

Incorrect. You may as well say if we did that then Nike would pay us more. They wouldn't, you need to win trophies to up the money. Same with players.
 

dontcallme

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It's 100% academic.

Give me one example of that method working for a club with our means.

It worked for Chelsea when they were the wealthiest club in the country.

Numerous teams with lower turnovers than the top sides have tried outspending everyone to get success and use the money from that success to continue their progression.

Can’t think of a single team in the Prem era that has done that successfully. Care to enlighten me?
 

BringBack_leGin

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Personally, no. I couldn't give a shit how we do it. That's all for banter with other fans and the longer I've got in the tooth the less I care about that, any feeling of superiority over how we do it is going to be fleeting, in the moment so to speak, a Chelsea or City fan might get jealous but I couldn't care less wether they do or not. What counts is the winning. For me anyway, I'm sure plenty of people will disagree and that's cool, each to their own view
While I agree with the notion that if we had been bought by a billionaire and he spend £500m odd on signing the worlds best players, leading to us winning the league and/ or champions league, I would be no less delighted just because we'd 'bought the title', as ultimately what counts for me is watching good football and hopefully seeing us win trophies, I equally think that we are seeing very good football (on the whole), consistently amongst the best in the league each season since Jol was manager, and that the end result of this patience will still be trophies.

If we were watch turgid football and not winning anything, like in the Graham era, or spending hundreds of millions to either no win anything (Liverpool still have yet to lift a trophy under Klopp) or to play boring football (see every Mourinho side since he left Porto) then all of those options would be unacceptable to me. However, we have one part of the formula in place with the truly top class football we are witnessing, and given the year on year progress we have made using this ethos there is every reason to have faith that the trophies are not far off.
 

spursfan77

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I’d quite like to read the email for context.

It’s no surprise though is it really.

I’d rather away fans were helped with travel costs than reduced tickets anyway, why should they only pay 30 quid for a ticket that might cost me £60? Reduced travel costs makes more sense.
 

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Or we could have stayed at WHL, backed the best manager in decades and tripled/quadrupled sponsorships by winning trophies.
That's incredibly naive and there is no guarantee it would work. In the end it leaves us further us further behind then we already are. The stadium simply had to happen.

Incorrect. You may as well say if we did that then Nike would pay us more. They wouldn't, you need to win trophies to up the money. Same with players.
No you may as well not say that because it's nonsense and unrelated to what I said. The easiest and safest way to increase the quality on the pitch and realistically compete is increasing matchday revenue and the most effective way to do that is...

Yup


You're advocating that we speculate to accumulate and in football, that is called the Ridsdale model, it doesn't work.

I'm happy to continue to explain this to you but I can't understand it for you.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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You're advocating that we speculate to accumulate and in football, that is called the Ridsdale model, it doesn't work.

I'm happy to continue to explain this to you but I can't understand it for you.
Generally, I'd say fuck all but it's half time in the footie so I got five to kill, sod it, say it............:unsure:

Is that actually a widely known term in football or did you just make it up? Because I think what you think there is possibly massively wide of the mark.

I thought Levy was to a degree speculating to accumulate (how else do we manage to get an almost zero net spend) with the (sensible) transfer policy we've been using and what would you call spending squillions on a new stadium, now we find out that all the time we've had Peter fucking Ridsdale in charge? :D

Am I having a massive blank moment here? :woot:
 
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One thing I've literally always stated, is I perfectly understand peoples frustrations with Levy.

What I don't & never will understand, is the unbelievable amount of those frustrated people who are unwilling to even acknowledge the good that's come from either his stewardship or ENIC's ownership.

It's the downright 'hatred' and 'animosity' that I'll never understand or accept.

However, it does 'appear' that the majority of 'I'm old enough to remember how shit things were before Levy/ENIC' supporters, are able to comprehend & appreciate the unrecognisable nature and stature of the club now, compared to the one that they took over. Less of a sense of entitlement, if you will.
Totally agree with you, Coops. The hatred and animosity is senseless. It certainly doesn't allow anyone to assess ENIC's operations in a balanced and dispassionate way. This website alone is clearly indicative of just how polarised options are; there never seems to be any middle ground, does there mate? What I would say though, Coops, is an expectation on behalf of supporters for the Board of a football team to actually spend money on buying a footballer shouldn't be viewed as "a sense of entitlement"; rather it should be seen as a basic requirement. Our owners haven't done that in over a year. (And let's remember that the last one they bought, only came about when "the financials suddenly moved our way"; which I believe might be ITK code for, "he became a lot cheaper"!). Let me say that again, mate: our owners haven't invested in the squad in over a year!! I don't think any supporter should feel compelled to be "ok" about that. Regardless of the credit ENIC undoubtedly deserve for developing the profile of the Club, their recent(?) transfer record has clearly not been good enough, Coops. And for me, it serves as the single most arresting factor why many question their motives moving forward. Hope all's good with you mate.
 

dontcallme

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Generally, I'd say fuck all but it's half time in the footie so I got five to kill, sod it, say it............:unsure:

Is that actually a widely known term in football or did you just make it up? Because I think what you think there is possibly massively wide of the mark.

I thought Levy was to a degree speculating to accumulate (how else do we manage to get an almost zero net spend) with the (sensible) transfer policy we've been using and what would you call spending squillions on a new stadium, now we find out that all the time we've had Peter fucking Ridsdale in charge? :D

Am I having a massive blank moment here? :woot:

Essentially one poster is advocating us not getting the stadium and putting all our resources into the first team. The success we get will improve our sponsorship deals and we'll make more money that way.

The only teams in the Prem era who have done this successfully are those with the sugar daddies. Every other team who has tried it has failed but apparently it is what we should be doing anyway.

You will have a discussion with me whether you like it or not.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Totally agree with you, Coops. The hatred and animosity is senseless. It certainly doesn't allow anyone to assess ENIC's operations in a balanced and dispassionate way. This website alone is clearly indicative of just how polarised options are; there never seems to be any middle ground, does there mate? What I would say though, Coops, is an expectation on behalf of supporters for the Board of a football team to actually spend money on buying a footballer shouldn't be viewed as "a sense of entitlement"; rather it should be seen as a basic requirement. Our owners haven't done that in over a year. (And let's remember that the last one they bought, only came about when "the financials suddenly moved our way"; which I believe might be ITK code for, "he became a lot cheaper"!). Let me say that again, mate: our owners haven't invested in the squad in over a year!! I don't think any supporter should feel compelled to be "ok" about that. Regardless of the credit ENIC undoubtedly deserve for developing the profile of the Club, their recent(?) transfer record has clearly not been good enough, Coops. And for me, it serves as the single most arresting factor why many question their motives moving forward. Hope all's good with you mate.


Couldn't agree more. Player investment is something that should be prioritised, full stop.

I don't know the actual reasons none has happened for over 12 months, is ITK correct & money has indeed been available, but it's Poch who hasn't wanted to spend it? Is it just that players haven't wanted to come? Is it the stadium getting in the way?

I can't answer any of those mate. As I've said, though. Frustration is understandable. It's the downright dismissing of Levy/ENIC doing anything good at all for our club that I can't get my head around.

You're a top fella, John. Hope all is well with you pal. COYS
 

dontcallme

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Couldn't agree more. Player investment is something that should be prioritised, full stop.

I don't know the actual reasons none has happened for over 12 months, is ITK correct & money has indeed been available, but it's Poch who hasn't wanted to spend it? Is it just that players haven't wanted to come? Is it the stadium getting in the way?

I can't answer any of those mate. As I've said, though. Frustration is understandable. It's the downright dismissing of Levy/ENIC doing anything good at all for our club that I can't get my head around.

You're a top fella, John. Hope all is well with you pal. COYS

I think it is a mixture of things.

For a long time we have had a zero net spend. In recent years we have not successfully sold players.

Poch likes to stay loyal to his players and would rather develop them instead of sell at first moment of them struggling.

If we don't sell then we don't buy. The players we do want to sell won't get that much money for us. In today's inflated market selling Dembele in Jan then Janssen, N'Koudou and someone like Wanyama is not going to get the sufficient funds to buy a high quality player.

This is only my view after putting pieces from together from what we do know.
 
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Couldn't agree more. Player investment is something that should be prioritised, full stop.

I don't know the actual reasons none has happened for over 12 months, is ITK correct & money has indeed been available, but it's Poch who hasn't wanted to spend it? Is it just that players haven't wanted to come? Is it the stadium getting in the way?

I can't answer any of those mate. As I've said, though. Frustration is understandable. It's the downright dismissing of Levy/ENIC doing anything good at all for our club that I can't get my head around.

You're a top fella, John. Hope all is well with you pal. COYS
Ah you too, Coops. Thanks mate. All the very best to you and yours.
 

LeParisien

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And yet Coops, when some people dare to suggest that Levy's determination to always "maximise profit" might account for the lack of significant investment in the squad, the outrage from certain quarters is deafening. What's that about, mate?! Surely, if you recognise that this is indeed the priority outcome that Levy actively pursues, you have to accept he'll deserve criticism when that policy conflicts with the needs of the football team? Inevitably, - and historically - this constant, unrelenting pursuit of "maximising profit" has resulted in an inability to move on "deadwood" and a consistent failure to acquire the manager's top targets. I don't think that's something that as supporters we just have to accept all of the time. I think we can hope to see our owners operate in a different way. Just once in a while, wouldn't you like to see the football side prioritised, mate?
You write as though the football side and the financial side are competing interests. In fact they are fully aligned.

Levy has spoken about being a steward of the club and everything he has done is consistent with that.
 

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It's the downright dismissing of Levy/ENIC doing anything good at all for our club that I can't get my head around.
I've never seen this. Even amongst the most die hard anti-Levyites, the most rabid nutcases, the good he's done gets acknowledged. I honestly can't recall a total denial happening and if it did it was surely just one or two persons who had temporarily escaped supervised care. I just cannot recall seeing anyone say Willow has not ever done any good for Spurs and certainly not to the extent it must be happening for you to get the itch about it.

#confused
 

LeParisien

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Personally, no. I couldn't give a shit how we do it. That's all for banter with other fans and the longer I've got in the tooth the less I care about that, any feeling of superiority over how we do it is going to be fleeting, in the moment so to speak, a Chelsea or City fan might get jealous but I couldn't care less wether they do or not. What counts is the winning. For me anyway, I'm sure plenty of people will disagree and that's cool, each to their own view
I assume we’re closer to winning something serious last few years than any other time you can remember?

Unless you’d take a domestic cup you’re so desperate ..?
 
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