Levy, ENIC and DC

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Seriously, when did we accrue so many lil' bitches into our fanbase??

People are losing thier shit completely about not making a signing?!

"We're not trying" - you absolute baffoon!

I dread to think what you must be like when mummy is buying your trainers... screaming and crying in the middle of the shop until she buys you £200 nike trainers - whether she can afford it or not.

I'm almost glad we didn't sign anyone - hopefully it will trim the unsavoury drips and flappers from our supporters.

Its like you dont really understand where we are and where we have come from - we've finished 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and all of a sudden the team is gonna be shit and not make top 4?

Pull yourselves together.

Simple question - what do you think will happen going forward?
Do you think think we'll stay where we are / improve?
Do you think we'll slip away?

If the latter - what are your thoughts on that?
 
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Seriously, when did we accrue so many lil' bitches into our fanbase??

People are losing thier shit completely about not making a signing?!

"We're not trying" - you absolute baffoon!

I dread to think what you must be like when mummy is buying your trainers... screaming and crying in the middle of the shop until she buys you £200 nike trainers - whether she can afford it or not.

I'm almost glad we didn't sign anyone - hopefully it will trim the unsavoury drips and flappers from our supporters.

Its like you dont really understand where we are and where we have come from - we've finished 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and all of a sudden the team is gonna be shit and not make top 4?

Pull yourselves together.
Oh, shut up. What a muggy, condescending prick you come across in this post. "If you don't agree with how I feel about the situation, you must be a sulking baby".

Finishing top four shouldn't be the peak of our ambition. We are already there and it would have been good to push on. As a fan, I'd love us to win a trophy more than once every decade, because (and this might come as a shock to you) we don't actually get one for finishing in the top four.

I'm not upset that we didn't sign anybody for signing somebody sake. I'm annoyed because it is abundantly clear that Poch wanted backing in the market and that hasn't happened. Of course he is going to toe the company line and make out he's happy, but without doubt he is going to be justifiably disappointed.

The inactivity of the board this transfer window belies the ambition of the players we have and the coaching staff we have. If you can't see the reason why people are irritated, it's because you're stupid.

Nobody is going to stop supporting Spurs either, sorry. We'll all support the club, just as much as you - so you won't be living in your happy clapping utopia any time soon.
 

Coyboy

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Long post alert.

First off, lets ignore the usual fan bollocks of 'this was the summer we needed to go for it', that's been said every summer for about 8 years now :sleep: I read a lot of posts on here and across social media and they seem to come across as that if we did win a title then that's the finish line, and everything stops. Time stands still. That one big targeted investment and then things are completed..... Ignoring what happens after that, that there would be even more pressure on us and more demands as sugar daddy clubs splurged even more money to catch up, and pressure on us to respond. It is always an ongoing process, and I believe has to be built sustainably.

There are multiple factors at work. The stadium being one of them. Fans need to engage their brains - As much as Levy/board will say for PR reasons it doesn't impact on spending (and that is probably true, relevant to our 'normal' levels of spending), we aren't even in the new gaff yet to enjoy any benefit of extra revenues and are still in the delicate phase of trying to finance/refinance and cover the costs. This wasn't the point where we would go on some mega money splurge, I'd have been amazed if we had. IIRC Poch himself even gave it to us straight not to expect big money signings just because we got a new stadium. Now I don't think anyone took that as no signings at all, and maybe there are other factors that have led to a sense of expectation of bigger spends such as an increase in ticket prices, but I think the fanbase by and large have constructed some fantasy narrative as to what was going to happen this summer.


Another factor is that the club seems to prioritise, pretty much annually going on their record of giving contracts, keeping the squad together, keeping those here who have contributed rewarded, and staying ahead of the game in terms of the players futures. There is a current issue with Alderweireld (who from the very start though, given the rumoured clauses in his contract, I suspect has largely seen us/this contract as a stepping stone to bigger things) but on the whole we never have contract issues and the club benefits from this. Yes people could point out (numerous) transfer duds and it hasn't all been perfect, but on the whole this environment has, especially recently, provided a platform where we have a stable core with players giving many years service and growing both themselves and as a team.

As an example, Kane this summer has gone from a rumoured circa 100k a week to 200k. Throw in no doubt bigger bonuses, signing on fees, agent fees, image rights stuff etc. then we might well be committing something like an extra 10m expenditure just by giving out that one contract. Now that is the biggest and most obvious example, but start giving new contracts across the squad and that's a decent chunk of resources committed, just on existing players rather than any new ones.....


And I haven't even got to the crux of it yet, how the club is set up to operate and what is Levy's way. Most of football - fans, media, even the players and people who run clubs themselves - are conditioned to the thought that whoever splashes the most money wins. Now that will likely be the case always, especially when everyone follows this same model, but that's never been ENIC's way. Levy isn't prepared, nor has the resources, to compete in this way, so tries to do it differently - and across his tenure has taken us on an upward trajectory. Firstly with the buying of young players who will grow the team, as individuals, and in value if they then leave. With that becoming harder and harder in the present market there's been investment in the academy and a rise in homegrown players after years of drought, and now the stadium.

I suspect Levy's ultimate aim is to compete, and win, by developing our own players and then supplementing them with high quality imports. We might not be able to buy a whole team of stars, but if we only have to buy half of it and the rest is developed in house...... Now that takes time, and I think there will be a lot of people, particularly youth watchers etc, who would say that if this is the vision and aim then the initial good work needs building on even further, and there will be a lot of fans who fair enough don't believe this approach is possible, or have the patience to wait for that to bear fruit or think they should have to wait that long, but to get to the very top up against petrodollar clubs then we will have to do something different. As our manager says, be brave, and forge a unique path.


As for this summer, and on the transfer front and how our squad now is, yes a bit disappointing/concerning but we are not in a disastrous position. Unique factors such as World Cup participation, and a few injuries don't help, but there aren't many holes in the squad. I don't know what's happened in terms of our main targets, but if we have adopted a policy of just shutting up shop rather than acting in desperation then I can understand that and actually don't mind it - how often has Plan D squad filler for the sake of it signings actually worked, or contributed anything? I'm not panicking about falling away as of now..... Quite honestly spending zero could see us fall out of the top four, but I think spending 200 million that could also happen. There are six teams and it's fine margins every year.

Personally I thought we needed two signings - a central midfielder who can dictate/run the game, and a Number 9 focal point striker that Poch loves and always has in his team. For the CM I do think it is a deficiency, but it does give Winks (on a more consistent basis) and hopefully Onomah a chance to establish themselves. If they do, great, and I think taking a chance on what we already have is much more logical than 'taking a punt on some young midfielder' as I have seen numerous times this week. As for the striker, it seems Poch is giving Llorente another chance, he hasn't banished him a la Janssen and others he hasn't rated (even ones he himself has signed), he's earned that right as manager. We will see.....

I don't believe we will be going away from 4-2-3-1, Poch always goes back to it, so we have enough attacking midfielders and Moura is a new signing effectively. Links to Martial and Zaha made no sense to me. I have concerns about Toby and especially Rose, but I'm ok with giving them the opportunity to get back to 100% (plus slowly transitioning out Dembele).


Ultimately it's how you see it. Overall I'd say it's a constant, rather slow, sustainable build within certain parameters and following a different path to the norm. Mistakes are made along the way, I'd do some things differently, but also come many good things. Some people, like me, wont mind that - the hard challenge of building something, hopefully developing our own players and style of play etc and then hopefully winning, appeals to me. Others, perfectly reasonably, have no time for all that, just want money spent and the best players and trophies ASAP. I think they have a while to wait for that though.....
Wonderful post.
 
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We have never had and probably never will have such a good manager and squad.
This is the 'we don't really belong at the top' view. That it's all down to MP or HK or a once in a lifetime squad that will never be repeated. And we have to win something now or we'll never get the chance again. I'm not surprised people are crapping themselves if that's the assumption.

But it's not how you run a football club. One day MP will go. Might be next year, might be five years. Or ten. Who knows? Same for Harry Kane. But the owners have to look at the longer term and put the club on a platform where we can attract good managers, good players and compete on a permanent basis. I'm fairly happy that that's what Levy/ENIC are doing. They're not perfect, they make mistakes - but the overall direction is positive.
 

coys200

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Levy could sell the club once the stadium is finished for near on £2bn profit. Or hang around and skim off £50m a year. With the risk our form could dip, Poch or kane could want out. If you’d written an exit plan it couldn’t be more perfect than this season. And there’s still enough upside as in winning trophies to interest a buyer. If ENIC are still our owners this time next year I’ll be amazed.
 
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This is the 'we don't really belong at the top' view. That it's all down to MP or HK or a once in a lifetime squad that will never be repeated. And we have to win something now or we'll never get the chance again. I'm not surprised people are crapping themselves if that's the assumption.

But it's not how you run a football club. One day MP will go. Might be next year, might be five years. Or ten. Who knows? Same for Harry Kane. But the owners have to look at the longer term and put the club on a platform where we can attract good managers, good players and compete on a permanent basis. I'm fairly happy that that's what Levy/ENIC are doing. They're not perfect, they make mistakes - but the overall direction is positive.

Based on our finances, we don't belong where we are.
The reason we are? Poch and Kane.

Take those two away and it's like pulling the wrong bricks out i a game of Jenga.

The problem is, if we lose them, Levy is too much of a pussy to put it right.
Chelsea lose their A list keeper and don't even flinch at £70m to replace him.
When they need a new manager, they pay whatever it takes to get the one they want, not the ones with the cheapest release clauses or free agents.
United finish outside the top 4 they get a new manager, spend £200m on players and get back up there.

If we lose Poch and any 2 or 3 of our main 11, we're fucked. Even if we get a shit ton of money, we're fucked.

And I now fully expect United to take Poch by next season.
 

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Oh, shut up. What a muggy, condescending prick you come across in this post. "If you don't agree with how I feel about the situation, you must be a sulking baby".

Finishing top four shouldn't be the peak of our ambition. We are already there and it would have been good to push on. As a fan, I'd love us to win a trophy more than once every decade, because (and this might come as a shock to you) we don't actually get one for finishing in the top four.

I'm not upset that we didn't sign anybody for signing somebody sake. I'm annoyed because it is abundantly clear that Poch wanted backing in the market and that hasn't happened. Of course he is going to toe the company line and make out he's happy, but without doubt he is going to be justifiably disappointed.

The inactivity of the board this transfer window belies the ambition of the players we have and the coaching staff we have. If you can't see the reason why people are irritated, it's because you're stupid.

Nobody is going to stop supporting Spurs either, sorry. We'll all support the club, just as much as you - so you won't be living in your happy clapping utopia any time soon.
Can't believe we let Ronaldo slip through our fingers
 
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Oh, shut up. What a muggy, condescending prick you come across in this post. "If you don't agree with how I feel about the situation, you must be a sulking baby".

Finishing top four shouldn't be the peak of our ambition. We are already there and it would have been good to push on. As a fan, I'd love us to win a trophy more than once every decade, because (and this might come as a shock to you) we don't actually get one for finishing in the top four.

I'm not upset that we didn't sign anybody for signing somebody sake. I'm annoyed because it is abundantly clear that Poch wanted backing in the market and that hasn't happened. Of course he is going to toe the company line and make out he's happy, but without doubt he is going to be justifiably disappointed.

The inactivity of the board this transfer window belies the ambition of the players we have and the coaching staff we have. If you can't see the reason why people are irritated, it's because you're stupid.

Nobody is going to stop supporting Spurs either, sorry. We'll all support the club, just as much as you - so you won't be living in your happy clapping utopia any time soon.
great post mate
 
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Nah.

Every team ever (except Spurs 2018) have bought players in the transfer window, each window. So... every team ever is better than they were 5/10/15 years ago?

You will argue that as a fact , yeah? Utd are better than under Fergie after spending 1/2 billion or whatever?

I could quite as easily draw a correlation between teams dealing in the transfer window and getting worse. Because every team that has gone backwards over the last 5 - 10 years has been buying and selling players in the preceding transfer window(s).





How can every team be better after a transfer window if ultimately its still the same pool of players who have just been shifted around, surely the sum total can only ever be the same.

Maybe I dont understand the science of this. Lets Just do some 'net spend' and get a kid from division 1 for 28million.
Whatabouttery
 

midoNdefoe

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Oh, shut up. What a muggy, condescending prick you come across in this post. "If you don't agree with how I feel about the situation, you must be a sulking baby".

Finishing top four shouldn't be the peak of our ambition. We are already there and it would have been good to push on. As a fan, I'd love us to win a trophy more than once every decade, because (and this might come as a shock to you) we don't actually get one for finishing in the top four.

I'm not upset that we didn't sign anybody for signing somebody sake. I'm annoyed because it is abundantly clear that Poch wanted backing in the market and that hasn't happened. Of course he is going to toe the company line and make out he's happy, but without doubt he is going to be justifiably disappointed.

The inactivity of the board this transfer window belies the ambition of the players we have and the coaching staff we have. If you can't see the reason why people are irritated, it's because you're stupid.

Nobody is going to stop supporting Spurs either, sorry. We'll all support the club, just as much as you - so you won't be living in your happy clapping utopia any time soon.
From one condescending prick to another:-

Lack of signings doesn't equate to lack of success, in my opinion.

We haven't played a game yet and our own fans are writing the season off as we didn't sign anyone - that seems petty and childish. Calling it a disgrace and demanding heads roll for no signings wreaks of a petulant screaming child in a dept. store.

I'm sure Poch has his opinions on the TW and i'm sure you have as little knowledge of those opinions as any of us - so good one on making up what they may be to support your idea, that makes you look real smart (y)

Who are we meant to have signed??
If there was a chance for top CM, i would have loved it and i'm fairly confident the club would have made it happen if possible. The same if deals for other targets were feasible...

Im excited to see what this group of players can do this season. We've been steadily progressing season-by-season. Our CL performance was great to watch last year - we had really kicked on from the previous years showing. Cup runs were exciting, didn't quite crack the semis again, but we're richer in experience from it.

:eek: No cup for top4? That is a shock.... I really am shocked to the core - I demand a complete re-shuffle of the FA heirachy immediately!
 
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