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Spurrific

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We have a young squad and most young players get better with age. Especially when they have a coach like Poch

Yeah - we’re the only club with young players. Chelsea, Liverpool, United and City all have just as many players approaching their peaks as us. It’s delusional and arrogant to think as you do.
 

Lilbaz

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The reaction here is way over the top. ENIC/Levy have taken us from regularly finishing in the bottom half of the table under Sugar to three consecutive top three spots. Know how many times that's happened before in our history? Once. And they've done it in a league that's more competitive, more financially doped and more expensive to succeed in than it's ever been. Where squads are assembled for a half a billion, a billion quid and people hardly blink.

And I guarantee at every stage in those last fifteen years there have been people saying 'they won't take us to the next level'. The fact is they've taken us up several levels already. Our last fifteen years are pretty much uninterrupted progress - better players, better facilities, better results, better football. Why do people think that progress stopped at 17:00 yesterday?

I'm not going to go over the transfer window deals that didn't happen. I'll just say that anyone who thought Zaha was going to turn us into a league winning side. Or Martial was going to score the winner in the CL final next May is dreaming. We might have won the Cup. But we're still more than capable of winning the Cup with the current squad. But I doubt that will appease a lot of people here for much more than a week before they're demanding more.

The real reason people are losing their s**t isn't that they think we've missed the chance to get to the fabled next level. It's that they don't think we really belong here at this current level. That a quiet transfer window will result in Pochettino ripping up his contract next year, Harry Kane following him to Madrid or United, mass exodus of players and a return to mid-table obscurity. And they just want to win something, anything, right now in case it all falls apart. And convince themselves that this or that £70m player will make the difference.

Screw that. I want Tottenham to be competitive and successful for the next fifteen, twenty, thirty years. And longer. Long after MP has gone, long after Harry Kane's taken up punditry. And the way to do that is to constant, steady improvement, the expectation of always being in the top three or four clubs in the country, of being in the CL every season, or nearly every season. Bringing our own players through, buying young players on the way up and paying premium transfer fees/wages only when that offers something outstanding.

I look at United at the moment and their strategy is just embarrassing. Ridiculous wages to 29-year-olds with nothing to prove and only a season or two left at the top. No project, no strategy. Just a desperate desire to buy a trophy and not get left behind by City. Guardiola, on the other hand, is clearly building something for the next ten years. Mostly young players coming in, hungry for success, low on ego and completely bought in to Guardiola's trying to do with tactics and objectives. We don't have City's money but we can follow that formula - and, in fact, it was our formula before it was theirs.

Would you like if another investor bought a stake in the club and that money was used to pay off the stadium? Then we had more funds available on players?

I wouldn't mind that and a dof (who works under poch) who could do negotiations.

Otherwise it might be another few years of zero net spend, which handicaps us.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I really don't think those people who are crediting the work done understand why many of us are pissed off.

I would liken our situation to some one losing a load of weight, getting off the drugs, pulling a 10/10 woman and, the night before the wedding, falling totally off the wagon.
He did well to get where he got. He won't keep the wife, his shit is going downhill quickly. He'll be back where he started in a year.

Anyone that thinks what we have now is a given right is deluded. There's half a dozen teams waiting to take our place and they're all trying - we're not.
 

popstar7

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He did well to get where he got. He won't keep the wife, his shit is going downhill quickly. He'll be back where he started in a year.

And you could have written that at any time in the last ten years and plenty of people would have agreed with you. But that's not what happened. We've got better pretty much every season. Why does it stop now?
 

hellava_tough

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And you could have written that at any time in the last ten years and plenty of people would have agreed with you. But that's not what happened. We've got better pretty much every season. Why does it stop now?

Because one of the key methods used in achieving that steady improvement, has not been deployed this season; namely player purchases
 

CowInAComa

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I really don't think those people who are crediting the work done understand why many of us are pissed off.

I would liken our situation to some one losing a load of weight, getting off the drugs, pulling a 10/10 woman and, the night before the wedding, falling totally off the wagon.
He did well to get where he got. He won't keep the wife, his shit is going downhill quickly. He'll be back where he started in a year.

Anyone that thinks what we have now is a given right is deluded. There's half a dozen teams waiting to take our place and they're all trying - we're not.

No everyone's wife runs off mate.
Plenty more fish in the sea, you'll be ok.
 

shelfboy68

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I really don't think those people who are crediting the work done understand why many of us are pissed off.

I would liken our situation to some one losing a load of weight, getting off the drugs, pulling a 10/10 woman and, the night before the wedding, falling totally off the wagon.
He did well to get where he got. He won't keep the wife, his shit is going downhill quickly. He'll be back where he started in a year.

Anyone that thinks what we have now is a given right is deluded. There's half a dozen teams waiting to take our place and they're all trying - we're not.
I'm not overly concerned about teams such as Everton or west ham just yet because we finished more than 30 points in front of them last year and they won't bridge that gap in one season even if we have a shit one.
But over the course of the next couple of years prices are sure to rise on players and if we aren't willing to pay going rate we will end up with a bit of a struggle I feel.
Luckily for the board the new stadium will distract fans from the transfer window fuck up and unless the team goes to shit and fans give the board what for they should get away with it alright.
 

southlondonyiddo

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And you could have written that at any time in the last ten years and plenty of people would have agreed with you. But that's not what happened. We've got better pretty much every season. Why does it stop now?

Maybe because we’ve still got zero silverware and in this last window we bought zero players which is quite staggering when you actually think about it

That last happened to us in 1974 and nobody has done that in the Premier League since this window started in 2003

It shows zero ambition on the pitch. Players with ambition and managers with ambition surely won’t be impressed

I hope it doesn’t lead to a dip but maybe just maybe it certainly could especially when you factor in the World Cup just gone and how sluggish the majority of our starting XI could be
 

shelfmonkey

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Maybe because we’ve still got zero silverware and in this last window we bought zero players which is quite staggering when you actually think about it

That last happened to us in 1974 and nobody has done that in the Premier League since this window started in 2003

It shows zero ambition on the pitch. Players with ambition and managers with ambition surely won’t be impressed

I hope it doesn’t lead to a dip but maybe just maybe it certainly could especially when you factor in the World Cup just gone and how sluggish the majority of our starting XI could be

Agree and this place is gonna go hyper bananas when we lose tomorrow.
 

CowInAComa

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Bit of a straw-man argument

Just because you execute a methodology poorly, doesn't mean the methodology is intrinsically flawed

Nah.

Every team ever (except Spurs 2018) have bought players in the transfer window, each window. So... every team ever is better than they were 5/10/15 years ago?

You will argue that as a fact , yeah? Utd are better than under Fergie after spending 1/2 billion or whatever?

I could quite as easily draw a correlation between teams dealing in the transfer window and getting worse. Because every team that has gone backwards over the last 5 - 10 years has been buying and selling players in the preceding transfer window(s).





How can every team be better after a transfer window if ultimately its still the same pool of players who have just been shifted around, surely the sum total can only ever be the same.

Maybe I dont understand the science of this. Lets Just do some 'net spend' and get a kid from division 1 for 28million.
 

midoNdefoe

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I really don't think those people who are crediting the work done understand why many of us are pissed off.

I would liken our situation to some one losing a load of weight, getting off the drugs, pulling a 10/10 woman and, the night before the wedding, falling totally off the wagon.
He did well to get where he got. He won't keep the wife, his shit is going downhill quickly. He'll be back where he started in a year.

Anyone that thinks what we have now is a given right is deluded. There's half a dozen teams waiting to take our place and they're all trying - we're not.

Seriously, when did we accrue so many lil' bitches into our fanbase??

People are losing thier shit completely about not making a signing?!

"We're not trying" - you absolute baffoon!

I dread to think what you must be like when mummy is buying your trainers... screaming and crying in the middle of the shop until she buys you £200 nike trainers - whether she can afford it or not.

I'm almost glad we didn't sign anyone - hopefully it will trim the unsavoury drips and flappers from our supporters.

Its like you dont really understand where we are and where we have come from - we've finished 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and all of a sudden the team is gonna be shit and not make top 4?

Pull yourselves together.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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And you could have written that at any time in the last ten years and plenty of people would have agreed with you. But that's not what happened. We've got better pretty much every season. Why does it stop now?

We haven't gotten steadily better in 10 years though. We went backwards with Ramos and backwards backwards with AVB. We've never had such a good team and manager, but there's no reason to feel entitled to them. The manager and the players are well within their rights to say "I stuck around, did my best, don't feel like we're going anywhere, I'm off"
And I couldn't blame a single one of them if they did.

No everyone's wife runs off mate.
Plenty more fish in the sea, you'll be ok.

Been trying to chase mine off for years, won't go.

Yeah, cos that has worked for Man U since Fergie left.

Since Fergie left they've won the F.A Cup, Europa League and League Cup. Finished 2nd, playing CL football again having missed out and strengthened when they did.
It's working better for them than us.
 

CowInAComa

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We haven't gotten steadily better in 10 years though. We went backwards with Ramos and backwards backwards with AVB. We've never had such a good team and manager, but there's no reason to feel entitled to them. The manager and the players are well within their rights to say "I stuck around, did my best, don't feel like we're going anywhere, I'm off"
And I couldn't blame a single one of them if they did.



Been trying to chase mine off for years, won't go.



Since Fergie left they've won the F.A Cup, Europa League and League Cup. Finished 2nd, playing CL football again having missed out and strengthened when they did.
It's working better for them than us.

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