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Marty

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Mar 10, 2005
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Fuck off. :finger:



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Colston

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Heh, sorry man. I'll try to simplify it. If only english was my first language....

Charismatic leaders are great for change, they are the most motivational leaders you'll find. A good charismatic leader can force through almost any change, as their main strength and what they rely on is getting the staff on their side and working towards a goal. Empiric studies show that the main weakness of the charismatic leader is that they can struggle with consistency over a longer period. If the major change they were brought in to orchestrate has occured, and the change doesn't bring the expected results there will be a significant drop in staff motivation (which, to reiterate, is the main strength of the charismatic leader) and results / performance will suffer. I'm not saying that Klopp doesn't necessarily possess more than charisma, I'm sure he does, but at Dortmund, as soon as things really started going sideways, he wasn't able to turn it around.

While the authoritarian (think military, hard but fair) leadership style that Pochettino prefers is the oldest style we know (in organizational theory) and is proven through the test of time. The main challenge is to satisfy both the motivational and hygiene factors (basically motivation and work satisfaction / feel like you're learning and making progress) and if he can keep those up, it'll give him more respect from the players, more consistency and steadier progress in line with his strategy.


This is all based on Jacobsen & Thorsvik (NTNU professors) course in Organizational Leadership which in turn is entirely based on empiric studies, but as any "casework", if you don't have all the facts, spoken to the leaders in question and know exactly how they work it's never accurate. It's just based on what I've gathered from years of watching both Pochettino and Klopp. (I've seen and studied Klopp more as he is my inspiration when it comes to leadership and closest resembles the kind of leader I want to be, I didn't really watch or read much about Poch at Southampton).

I might even have the technical terms wrong, as I didn't study this in english.
Looks like there might be something to that lame course after all.
 

King of Otters

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Jun 11, 2012
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Everyone's ripping him and probably deservedly after yesterday, but it's been said that Lovren has some pretty bad injuries, isn't training, is basically on a cocktail of painkillers to get through a game..... Now I know they player himself has to be honest about the situation and whether he should be playing, but isn't the manager the one ultimately at fault. You're killing both the team and the player by continuously selecting him.

When you consider that Lovren is playing through the pain barrier for Liverpool, it makes you realise that it was actually pretty shitty of Klopp to publicly humiliate him like that.
 

nailsy

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Jul 24, 2005
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Lovren was poor, but he’s a very convenient scape goat. They still let two fairly innocuous goals through without him on the pitch.

Frankly their defensive woes are down to lack of organisation and adequate coaching. Lovren clearly has no idea what he’s meant to be doing yesterday, but neither did Matip. He was just as much at fault for the second and third goals as Lovren was for 1 and 2.

Lovren was a cracking player at Southampton. It’s hilarious that they think Van Djik would be the answer to all their problems. They already have his predecessor.

It’s all down to organisation and training. They just don’t want to admit that Klopp might have some flaws.

Matip also thought that he was playing Kane offside for the first goal. There can't be that many mistakes in a defence without the manager being to blame. He could sort it out in a couple of weeks of he was willing to change his system.
 

TheChosenOne

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Dec 13, 2005
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Matip also thought that he was playing Kane offside for the first goal. There can't be that many mistakes in a defence without the manager being to blame. He could sort it out in a couple of weeks of he was willing to change his system.

I saw one shot of Matip in the first half and I honestly believe his face just portrayed abject terror, shock and 'wtf can I do about this ?'
 

Snarfalicious

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Jul 15, 2012
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BTW - but, Liverpool still seem to be living on reputation as much as any team - everyone always talks about their defensive short-comings, but preface it with talk about their prolific attack.

So far this season - 14 goals scored is only 7th best in the league. Not exactly lighting up the scoreboard - and just as much a cause of their problems as conceding 16. If they could jump on teams early, they can take teams out of games - but Liverpool are not scoring like people expect.

But they beat Maribor 7-0!
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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Mick Quinn on talksport....

"I don't think Klopp has had the money to strengthen at the back. He needs more backing from the owners"

He sounded serious as well.
 

Riandor

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May 26, 2004
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Mick Quinn on talksport....

"I don't think Klopp has had the money to strengthen at the back. He needs more backing from the owners"

He sounded serious as well.
This kind of bs really needs to be shamed by everyone, media included.

Not enough financial backing? Compared toooooo...? Man City? PSG?

Compared to the team that just hamstrung you 4-1?

Utter utter bollocks
 

hellava_tough

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Liverpool have the players to be doing a lot better than they are

That's why I think Klopp will be gone by the start of next season
 
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