Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

['O Zio]

I'm still absolutely stumped why they'd go for Frank now. It makes no sense at all, is completely out of character, going out on a limb like this. Roman's risks have been all about money up until now but to put Frank in charge now, before he's actually achieved anything of note, is a huge risk both for the club and Lampard.

Sure, he might be a huge success, but he's not got the weight of experience to demand respect from players as a manager so if the results don't start coming quick I don't see it'll be long before they start to turn sour.

Huge risk, imo.

I don't think it's really got anything to do with his managerial ability. The way I see it they've basically written off next season altogether because of the state of their squad and transfer ban. They need to rebuild but won't be able to do it for at least another year, so they're going down the OGS/ManU style route of bringing in a friendly face who the fans all love to tide them over through this bad patch. Someone like Lampard, just like OGS, will get far more benefit of the doubt from fans even when the results are inevitably bad.

Long term, it's not a good appointment, but in terms of just riding out the next season and keeping the poisonous atmosphere to a minimum, bringing in a fan favourite ex-player makes perfect sense.

Also you have to consider that for at least the next year, they're not a very attractive club for the top managers. If they really want the likes of Allegri, then they need to ride out the transfer ban and then bring him in next year, because he'd be mad to join them now, so Lampard makes more sense than bringing in some 7th choice manager who they didn't really want because their first 6 choices turned them down.

 

[Marty]

Just found this quiz on the BBC. Can you name all of Chelsea's Premier League managers?:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47298381

Edit - It's all managers before Sarri.

I have no idea who any of the two who managed before God are. Even their names ring absolutely no bells.

Just shows how irrelevant they used to be.

 

[charliemouse]

Ian Porterfield was sacked from Reading before he joined Chelsea, I guess that shows just how shit they used to be.

 

[spursfan77]

He will go to Chelski for sure, and I am even more sure he will fcuk it up. Gotta to feel for Derby, he has only been there a year and as soon as his old club Chelsea come sniffing he is off or so it seems. It is very rare that ex players become good managers, didn't' work for us with Ossie or Glenn, and it certainly not working for Ollie at United. Can't see Fat Frank doing any better at Chelsea to be honest

I do tend to agree but he will wholeheartedly know about how ruthlessly Chelsea is run and what the dressing room is like. He’s no idiot and so if he takes the job then he must be getting certain insurances as to how things will go. Whether that is sticked to is another matter.

I don’t think it will ruin him career if he goes there either as the whole world knows what Chelsea is like.

 

[hellava_tough]

Wrong time for Frank to take over at Chelsea.

Treacherous squad that you can't purge because of a transfer ban, just lost their best player, a disinterested owner and the fact that Frank has only one full season of management experience under his belt.

He should wait a few seasons; the job will come up around again. He needs to be patient.

 

['O Zio]

I don’t think it will ruin him career if he goes there either as the whole world knows what Chelsea is like.

"Ruin his career" is too strong but it will almost certainly set him back. If he stayed at Derby for 2-3 seasons and did a decent job, then he's got that in the bank and so if he then took a job like Chelsea and it was a disaster, he could at least fall back on his CV and get a Championship job again. However, if he goes straight to Chelsea now off the back of what, despite a lot of media hype, was actually pretty much a par-finish for Derby, then I don't think he's got enough credit in the bank to come straight back into a job if Chelsea goes tits up for him.

 

[King of Otters]

"Ruin his career" is too strong but it will almost certainly set him back. If he stayed at Derby for 2-3 seasons and did a decent job, then he's got that in the bank and so if he then took a job like Chelsea and it was a disaster, he could at least fall back on his CV and get a Championship job again. However, if he goes straight to Chelsea now off the back of what, despite a lot of media hype, was actually pretty much a par-finish for Derby, then I don't think he's got enough credit in the bank to come straight back into a job if Chelsea goes tits up for him.

The Derby owner is looking to sell up and they've just missed out on promotion. He'd be mad to turn down a top 6 job to stay there. If things go south for him this year at Derby, which is entirely possible, there's no guarantee that his stock will ever be this high again.

 

['O Zio]

The Derby owner is looking to sell up and they've just missed out on promotion. He'd be mad to turn down a top 6 job to stay there. If things go south for him this year at Derby, which is entirely possible, there's no guarantee that his stock will ever be this high again.

Well of course, it can go either way, he could have a mare at Derby next season too. However, I still think he's more likely to have a decent season at Derby than he is at Chelsea given the current circumstances.

Like I say, he's done OK at Derby, nothing more, so if he leaves now he's basically not demonstrated anything about his managerial abilities so has nothing to fall back on when it inevitably goes wrong at Chelsea. If he has another season or two at Derby he's far more likely to be successful than he is at Chelsea and then has some credit in the bank for later on. It's not like he exactly needs the money from the Chelsea job. Short term it sounds like an offer too good to turn down, but long term it's the wrong decision for him. If he does well with Derby (or even another club) the Chelsea job will always be available to him down the line when they're not sin such a crap situation and he's got more experience. This is in no way a "now or never" situation for him provided he doesn't completely fuck everything up with Derby.

 

[King of Otters]

Well of course, it can go either way, he could have a mare at Derby next season too. However, I still think he's more likely to have a decent season at Derby than he is at Chelsea given the current circumstances.

Like I say, he's done OK at Derby, nothing more, so if he leaves now he's basically not demonstrated anything about his managerial abilities so has nothing to fall back on when it inevitably goes wrong at Chelsea. If he has another season or two at Derby he's far more likely to be successful than he is at Chelsea and then has some credit in the bank for later on. It's not like he exactly needs the money from the Chelsea job. Short term it sounds like an offer too good to turn down, but long term it's the wrong decision for him. If he does well with Derby (or even another club) the Chelsea job will always be available to him down the line when they're not sin such a crap situation and he's got more experience. This is in no way a "now or never" situation for him provided he doesn't completely fuck everything up with Derby.

I disagree. Derby are a bang average Championship club who had an unusually decent season because of the loans Fat Frank was able to pull off.

They snuck in the play-offs on the last day, and there's no guarantee that they'll be able to replicate that relative success this season.

Even with the transfer ban, Chelsea can draw on one of the most talented squads in the country. They have arguably the best youth team in Europe, and a swathe of highly talented young players out on loan, some of whom Frank managed last season. Just working with that squad alone, there's no reason why Lampard wouldn't be able to do what Chelsea do every year: win a cup and finish top 4.

He would be mad to turn the job down.

 

[nailsy]

The Derby owner is looking to sell up and they've just missed out on promotion. He'd be mad to turn down a top 6 job to stay there. If things go south for him this year at Derby, which is entirely possible, there's no guarantee that his stock will ever be this high again.

And if he turns the job down are Chelsea going to be petty and refuse to loan him players again next season. I wouldn't put it past them.
I still think it's too early for him to go there, but if he's been promised a minimum of two years it would be very hard to turn them down.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Just found this quiz on the BBC. Can you name all of Chelsea's Premier League managers?:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47298381

Edit - It's all managers before Sarri.

Gave up after it wouldn’t accept AVB as an option

 

['O Zio]

I disagree. Derby are a bang average Championship club who had an unusually decent season because of the loans Fat Frank was able to pull off.

They snuck in the play-offs on the last day, and there's no guarantee that they'll be able to replicate that relative success this season.

Even with the transfer ban, Chelsea can draw on one of the most talented squads in the country. They have arguably the best youth team in Europe, and a swathe of highly talented young players out on loan, some of whom Frank managed last season. Just working with that squad alone, there's no reason why Lampard wouldn't be able to do what Chelsea do every year: win a cup and finish top 4.

He would be mad to turn the job down.

Right, Derby are a pretty average championship club, who most people predicted would be competing for a playoff spot at the start of the season. Under Lampard they managed to sneak into the playoffs, therefore I'd say it was pretty much a "par performance" or whatever you want to call it. And you're right, a big part of that has been their ability to loan some over-qualified players from Chelsea. But that's exactly my point, he hasn't really shown anything yet to suggest he's a really talented manager. He's just achieved roughly what was expected, and done so by having a little helping hand along the way. Therefore if he goes to Chelsea now, and it is a disaster, he's basically back to square one with his career because what he's done at Derby isn't impressive enough to be credit in the bank IMO.

I think you're overstating how good Chelsea are as well. They've really not got a very good team and overachieved massively last season despite all the anti-Sarri stuff. They've been propped up for years now by one or two star players, the best of which has just left, and have no way to improve the squad due to the transfer ban. There's going to be a Hazard sized hole in the team next year and even though they have plenty of players out on loan to draw on, none of them are even close to being at a level where they can replace him. They've got Pulisic in, who I used to rate, but he seems to have gone completely backwards in the last season or two so I don't see him being the catalyst they need either. Their current first team squad is average at best and plenty of players are well past their best. They've got to rely heavily on young players coming through and being a revalation next season. Maybe it will happen, maybe it wont. But whatever happens getting Chelsea to finish top 4 next year is, IMO, a much taller order than challenging for a playoff spot with Derby will be.

Mad to turn down Chelsea? I think you'd have to be mad to take the job at the moment to be honest. And like I say, it's not really "too good to turn down" because it's still going to be an option for him in the future. They're not going to completely blacklist him because he turns them down this time.

 

[King of Otters]

Right, Derby are a pretty average championship club, who most people predicted would be competing for a playoff spot at the start of the season. Under Lampard they managed to sneak into the playoffs, therefore I'd say it was pretty much a "par performance" or whatever you want to call it. And you're right, a big part of that has been their ability to loan some over-qualified players from Chelsea. But that's exactly my point, he hasn't really shown anything yet to suggest he's a really talented manager. He's just achieved roughly what was expected, and done so by having a little helping hand along the way. Therefore if he goes to Chelsea now, and it is a disaster, he's basically back to square one with his career because what he's done at Derby isn't impressive enough to be credit in the bank IMO.

I think you're overstating how good Chelsea are as well. They've really not got a very good team and overachieved massively last season despite all the anti-Sarri stuff. They've been propped up for years now by one or two star players, the best of which has just left, and have no way to improve the squad due to the transfer ban. There's going to be a Hazard sized hole in the team next year and even though they have plenty of players out on loan to draw on, none of them are even close to being at a level where they can replace him. They've got Pulisic in, who I used to rate, but he seems to have gone completely backwards in the last season or two so I don't see him being the catalyst they need either. Their current first team squad is average at best and plenty of players are well past their best. They've got to rely heavily on young players coming through and being a revalation next season. Maybe it will happen, maybe it wont. But whatever happens getting Chelsea to finish top 4 next year is, IMO, a much taller order than challenging for a playoff spot with Derby will be.

Mad to turn down Chelsea? I think you'd have to be mad to take the job at the moment to be honest. And like I say, it's not really "too good to turn down" because it's still going to be an option for him in the future. They're not going to completely blacklist him because he turns them down this time.

Your arguments are based on the assumption that FF equals or improves on his performance last year at Derby. They performed above expectations last year, and so it's quite possible that they'll fall short of this play-offs this season if they revert to type.

In that scenario, it's more likely that he'll get sacked from Derby than be offered a Top 6 job again.

His stock is high now. For all we know it may never be this high again. That's why he's correct to take the Chelsea job this summer.

 

['O Zio]

Your arguments are based on the assumption that FF equals or improves on his performance last year at Derby. They performed above expectations last year, and so it's quite possible that they'll fall short of this play-offs this season if they revert to type.

In that scenario, it's more likely that he'll get sacked from Derby than be offered a Top 6 job again.

His stock is high now. For all we know it may never be this high again. That's why he's correct to take the Chelsea job this summer.

Sort of. It's more based on the assumption that he's more likely to do OK with Derby next season than he is at Chelsea. Like I say though, obviously it could go either way - he could have an absolute mare at Derby and likewise he could absolutely smash it at Chelsea and exceed all expectations. We simply don't know. Just from where I'm sitting, it looks to me more likely that things pan out at Derby than they will at Chelsea. I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree for now and see what happens either way

 

[nailsy]

If Lampard goes to Chelsea and fails he'll still get offered a job at a Championship team after he leaves. It's really much of a risk for him.

 

[max cady]

I see Enrique has left his Spain post this could be interesting as I think Cheatski would interest him.

 

[Marty]

I see Enrique has left his Spain post this could be interesting as I think Cheatski would interest him.

If he left Spain because of precarious family matters, which was the reason given when he left the camp during the March internationals, he sure as hell won't move abroad.

 

[beats1]

Wrong time for Frank to take over at Chelsea.

Treacherous squad that you can't purge because of a transfer ban, just lost their best player, a disinterested owner and the fact that Frank has only one full season of management experience under his belt.

He should wait a few seasons; the job will come up around again. He needs to be patient.

I think this is the perfect time for him to go, he has a free pass at chelsea to do what he wants as they have a transfer ban

Not to mention if Jody goes with him, he will have someone who has managed half the youth squad. This is the first time someone has had a chance of changing the culture at chelsea, as they have this transfer ban and he will be given more leeway as he is a legend. I think he has a big chance of being successful long term. If they finish 7th but with a team full of players from the academy they will be dangerous going forward.

Now having spent a season, watching Frank, I can say he is a poor manager. I have never seen a more fluky manager but he does talk very well and make people think he is better than he is. Its a funny one, at times we played good footy and would have been happy with the playoffs at the start.

However that squad performed quite bad and at times the football was dire. He should leave as at the moment half of the squad's contract runs out. Derby next season will be either near the top or near the bottom

The Derby owner is looking to sell up and they've just missed out on promotion. He'd be mad to turn down a top 6 job to stay there. If things go south for him this year at Derby, which is entirely possible, there's no guarantee that his stock will ever be this high again.

Owner has been looking to sell for a long time, the squad has been depleted and he didn't exactly help

 

[Krule]

Petr Cech appointed Chelsea technical and performance adviser

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48717518

Well I never saw that one coming .............

 

[sebo_sek]

Just found this quiz on the BBC. Can you name all of Chelsea's Premier League managers?:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47298381

Edit - It's all managers before Sarri.

Got 11 right