Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

'O Zio

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I could see them going for fat Frank in the summer if he gets Derby promoted. I’m sure their fans will certainly call for it.
Would be a mistake for Lampard I think. Derby are a good solid club and he'd be better of staying there for 3-4 years trying to really build something and learn the ropes. I like Lampard (sorry) but I think the fact that far more established and successful managers have failed to get that dressing room under control is a massive warning sign. They need to completely gut the team and start rebuilding becuase the dressing room is complete poison and has been for years. It's similar to post-Wenger Arsenal where they need to restructure things from top to bottom, off the pitch as well as on it. That's not a job a relatively new manager should be taking on just yet IMO.
 

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I think today probably sealed his fate. He's out his depth but that isn't his fault. This squad of players turn up when they want, and get managers sacked when they want. Chelsea has a rotten core.
"Out of his depth" is harsh IMO. He's clearly a good manager and has proven it in Italy, even the likes of Pep have in the past said they studied his methods etc. and are admirers of him. The problem at Chelsea is that the club culture has been allowed to rot and the dressing room is just poisonous nowadays. The players have all the power and they know it. For a manager like Sarri who requires teh complete buy-in from the players in order for his system to work, it's a pretty impossible job. I think his style isn't suited to their dressing room, but that's not the same thing as being out of your depth IMO. And to be honest I think the better solution to the problem long-term would be to sort out the dressing room, rather than just going down the rinse-and-repeat managers route that has led to this situation in the first place
 

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"Out of his depth" is harsh IMO. He's clearly a good manager and has proven it in Italy, even the likes of Pep have in the past said they studied his methods etc. and are admirers of him. The problem at Chelsea is that the club culture has been allowed to rot and the dressing room is just poisonous nowadays. The players have all the power and they know it. For a manager like Sarri who requires teh complete buy-in from the players in order for his system to work, it's a pretty impossible job. I think his style isn't suited to their dressing room, but that's not the same thing as being out of your depth IMO. And to be honest I think the better solution to the problem long-term would be to sort out the dressing room, rather than just going down the rinse-and-repeat managers route that has led to this situation in the first place
Yeah I agree however I do think that you need to have the personality and the characteristics if you want players to buy into your philosophy these days. Sarri is a stubborn man and still has a lot of old skool elements to his management and you can see why some players wouldn't take to him especially when the chips are down.
 

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Yeah I agree however I do think that you need to have the personality and the characteristics if you want players to buy into your philosophy these days. Sarri is a stubborn man and still has a lot of old skool elements to his management and you can see why some players wouldn't take to him especially when the chips are down.
Yeah I take your point. I suppose it comes back to what was being said a couple of weeks ago about it being his job to motivate the players no matter how difficult. I still don't think that means he's out of his depth, I just think he's the wrong match for the dressing room. Like I say though, I reckon if we accept that Sarri and the dressing room are not a good match, I'd be more inclined to change the dressing room rather than the manager at the moment. It's not just Sarri but a succession of top managers who have struggled with this group so clearly the bigger problem lies in the playing staff and club/dressing room culture. Sacking Sarri and bringing in someone to pander to the egos will probably sort them out for the rest of the season, but this time next year they'll be back to square 1 again. If they want to change things long term then they need to rebuild around a solid group of hard-working players and surround them with some of the top talent from their academy rather than farming them out all over the world
 

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Yeah I take your point. I suppose it comes back to what was being said a couple of weeks ago about it being his job to motivate the players no matter how difficult. I still don't think that means he's out of his depth, I just think he's the wrong match for the dressing room. Like I say though, I reckon if we accept that Sarri and the dressing room are not a good match, I'd be more inclined to change the dressing room rather than the manager at the moment. It's not just Sarri but a succession of top managers who have struggled with this group so clearly the bigger problem lies in the playing staff and club/dressing room culture. Sacking Sarri and bringing in someone to pander to the egos will probably sort them out for the rest of the season, but this time next year they'll be back to square 1 again. If they want to change things long term then they need to rebuild around a solid group of hard-working players and surround them with some of the top talent from their academy rather than farming them out all over the world
I know great isn't it :D
 

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Its a poisonous club from top to bottom, so I think most genuine football fans enjoyed yesterday.
Don't think Chelsea have been the same since Terry left (and it pains me to say that!) - there is no one left to provide leadership in the dressing room and bang peoples heads together when needed.
Hazard is like the untouchable little Emperor (sure to be off in the summer) and people like Luiz only turn up when they feel like it-his performance at centre half against us at Wembley earlier in the season is one of the worst I have seen from an opposing centre half in my whole time watching live football.
 
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Man City have apologised to Chelsea for playing the Chelsea anthem "One Step Beyond" by Madness after the 6-0 win.

I thought the Chelsea anthem was "Get off the train, you're not white" ?
 

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Its a poisonous club from top to bottom, so I think most genuine football fans enjoyed yesterday.
Don't think Chelsea have been the same since Terry left (and it pains me to say that!) - there is no one left to provide leadership in the dressing room and bang peoples Mrs.
Hazard is like the untouchable little Emperor (sure to be off in the summer) and people like Luiz only turn up when they feel like it-his performance at centre half against us at Wembley earlier in the season is one of the worst I have seen from an opposing centre half in my whole time watching live football.
FYP
 

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Sky Sports News dedicate an entire day to reporter's standing outside various training grounds repeating the same pieces of news and rumours that appeared on twitter hours previously. Talk Sport and the Express have already linked Pochettino to Chelsea and if Sarri continues to struggle then I can see Sky getting onboard with the story as well because their 24-hour news cycle requires sensational entertainment.
Incredible, I guess 24/7 sports news needs to be filled somehow

I see a lot on tweets saying Chelsea should go for Pochettino also, majority Liverpool fans.
 

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Incredible, I guess 24/7 sports news needs to be filled somehow

I see a lot on tweets saying Chelsea should go for Pochettino also, majority Liverpool fans.
A 24/7 sports news channel is a daft idea. The sports is at the end of the normal news for a reason - football scores, England lose wickets cheaply, Scotland lost in the rugby, Wimbledon update, a horse won the National, throw in the occasional Olympics result and you're done. Sky Sports News has to resort to sensationalist rubbish simply to justify its existence. Sky should have made SSN a bit more like the BBC News channel who mix its live news with additional programming like HardTalk, Click, Panorama, etc. I'd rather watch a sports version of Panorama that investigates FIFA's corruption, spot-fixing in cricket, etc. rather than a reporter stood outside the Spurs training ground reciting something they read on Twitter.
 

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Chelsea sacked Scolari with a league record of:

P25 W14 D7 L4 Pts - 49

Sarri's record now reads:

P26 W15 D5 L6 Pts - 50

Almost identical. Both managers had strong starts, playing good football until about November, then were found out tactically and lost the dressing room. AVB's record was a bit worse (46 points from 27), whereas Di Matteo had a similar points per game with 42 from 23 but as it's spread over two seasons I think the comparison is less valid - especially as he also won two trophies in that time.

I don't see any reason why Abramovic would change his model - they have been the most successful club in the country since he took over and are now a profitable business so it appears to be working. What I find interesting though is that this "manager losing the dressing room thing" keeps happening even though the managers and dressing rooms change entirely. None of the players that fell out with Scolari in 2009 are still there. None of the players who fell out with AVB in 2012 are still there. Even amongst that squad that downed tools for Mourinho in 2015, I'd guess only four or five players are still at the club at all - it's almost an entirely new group once again. Why is it always Chelsea that go down this route? Something in the water there?
 

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Chelsea sacked Scolari with a league record of:

P25 W14 D7 L4 Pts - 49

Sarri's record now reads:

P26 W15 D5 L6 Pts - 50

Almost identical. Both managers had strong starts, playing good football until about November, then were found out tactically and lost the dressing room. AVB's record was a bit worse (46 points from 27), whereas Di Matteo had a similar points per game with 42 from 23 but as it's spread over two seasons I think the comparison is less valid - especially as he also won two trophies in that time.

I don't see any reason why Abramovic would change his model - they have been the most successful club in the country since he took over and are now a profitable business so it appears to be working. What I find interesting though is that this "manager losing the dressing room thing" keeps happening even though the managers and dressing rooms change entirely. None of the players that fell out with Scolari in 2009 are still there. None of the players who fell out with AVB in 2012 are still there. Even amongst that squad that downed tools for Mourinho in 2015, I'd guess only four or five players are still at the club at all - it's almost an entirely new group once again. Why is it always Chelsea that go down this route? Something in the water there?
I guess it might be that with RA's past form record they don't have to play up and down tools for too long before he pulls the trigger. After that, with a new guy in there is still time to salvage something from the season. There seems to be a disparity between their cup form and league form, which might add extra weight to this.
 

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Chelsea sacked Scolari with a league record of:

P25 W14 D7 L4 Pts - 49

Sarri's record now reads:

P26 W15 D5 L6 Pts - 50

Almost identical. Both managers had strong starts, playing good football until about November, then were found out tactically and lost the dressing room. AVB's record was a bit worse (46 points from 27), whereas Di Matteo had a similar points per game with 42 from 23 but as it's spread over two seasons I think the comparison is less valid - especially as he also won two trophies in that time.

I don't see any reason why Abramovic would change his model - they have been the most successful club in the country since he took over and are now a profitable business so it appears to be working. What I find interesting though is that this "manager losing the dressing room thing" keeps happening even though the managers and dressing rooms change entirely. None of the players that fell out with Scolari in 2009 are still there. None of the players who fell out with AVB in 2012 are still there. Even amongst that squad that downed tools for Mourinho in 2015, I'd guess only four or five players are still at the club at all - it's almost an entirely new group once again. Why is it always Chelsea that go down this route? Something in the water there?
Because the club culture is shit, players are probably looked as as God's over there and they are spoilt. It starts from the top and makes it's way down so if you don't have a good board that transcends onto the managers and then the players, honestly the club are rotten to the core.
 

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Chelsea sacked Scolari with a league record of:

P25 W14 D7 L4 Pts - 49

Sarri's record now reads:

P26 W15 D5 L6 Pts - 50

Almost identical. Both managers had strong starts, playing good football until about November, then were found out tactically and lost the dressing room. AVB's record was a bit worse (46 points from 27), whereas Di Matteo had a similar points per game with 42 from 23 but as it's spread over two seasons I think the comparison is less valid - especially as he also won two trophies in that time.

I don't see any reason why Abramovic would change his model - they have been the most successful club in the country since he took over and are now a profitable business so it appears to be working. What I find interesting though is that this "manager losing the dressing room thing" keeps happening even though the managers and dressing rooms change entirely. None of the players that fell out with Scolari in 2009 are still there. None of the players who fell out with AVB in 2012 are still there. Even amongst that squad that downed tools for Mourinho in 2015, I'd guess only four or five players are still at the club at all - it's almost an entirely new group once again. Why is it always Chelsea that go down this route? Something in the water there?
It's about club culture not individuals, works the same in companies outside of football. Players develop a way to go about things, New players catch onto that way of doing things and they pass it on etc.
 
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