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Ledley King makes controversial claim about Tottenham's season

hughy

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As a club ambassador he's hardly going to say "Spurs need to win something or they'll always go down as bridesmaids".
 

Sir Henry

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I remember Martin Jol coming into the club and he commented on how he noticed that not winning anything was accepted. He couldnt believe it.

Ledley as much as I love him, is part of that era. Weve changed as a club, weve grown and we have good standing around the world.

while not winning anything may actually be ok, putting that into the players minds is the difference imho in mentality of winning something or literally not giving a fuck in a 2-0 defeat in the CL final because you've been told you dont have to win anything this season........ again.

Ledley, I love you but stfu.
 

Donki

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I remember Martin Jol coming into the club and he commented on how he noticed that not winning anything was accepted. He couldnt believe it.

Ledley as much as I love him, is part of that era. Weve changed as a club, weve grown and we have good standing around the world.

while not winning anything may actually be ok, putting that into the players minds is the difference imho in mentality of winning something or literally not giving a fuck in a 2-0 defeat in the CL final because you've been told you dont have to win anything this season........ again.

Ledley, I love you but stfu.

Exactly this, if we wanna claim to be a TOP European club, we need to stop talking like silverware isn't important.
 

Shadydan

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Good thing Ledley isn't apart of the coaching staff or management then isn't it
 

Japhet

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So, to put this into context, Ledley was asked if it was vital for Spurs to win a trophy this season. He said 'No' (in essence) which, in journo speak, translates into 'Ledley King says Spurs don't have what it takes to win anything and it doesn't matter anyway'.

If his answer had been 'Yes', that would have translated into 'Last chance for Spurs to win something before Poch, Kane and everyone else who's any good bugger off to Spain, and the whole WHL project gets chucked in the bin'.

There is no way to win when asked these sorts of questions and it's no surprise that Poch seems to have had enough of it.
 

BENNO

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I remember Martin Jol coming into the club and he commented on how he noticed that not winning anything was accepted. He couldnt believe it.

Ledley as much as I love him, is part of that era. Weve changed as a club, weve grown and we have good standing around the world.

while not winning anything may actually be ok, putting that into the players minds is the difference imho in mentality of winning something or literally not giving a fuck in a 2-0 defeat in the CL final because you've been told you dont have to win anything this season........ again.

Ledley, I love you but stfu.

Just can' have this at all - are you actually suggesting the players lost the CL final 'cos they didn't care enough ? That's just silly.
 

Sir Henry

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Just can' have this at all - are you actually suggesting the players lost the CL final 'cos they didn't care enough ? That's just silly.

No you're right, that is silly. They played their hearts out, gave 100%, and I mean everyone did that. Not just that, Liverpool were that bloody good we just couldn't compete with them.
 

cider spurs

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Just can' have this at all - are you actually suggesting the players lost the CL final 'cos they didn't care enough ? That's just silly.


No you're right, that is silly. They played their hearts out, gave 100%, and I mean everyone did that. Not just that, Liverpool were that bloody good we just couldn't compete with them.


Can't deny we lost on the day, history books will forever tell us as much.

However, I don't think Liverpool were all that on the day.

Gifted a penalty, our main striker not fully fit.

I thought we were the better team on the day, and certainly didn't see Liverpool as "that bloody good we couldn't compete with them."
 

Japhet

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Can't deny we lost on the day, history books will forever tell us as much.

However, I don't think Liverpool were all that on the day.

Gifted a penalty, our main striker not fully fit.

I thought we were the better team on the day, and certainly didn't see Liverpool as "that bloody good we couldn't compete with them."


i think there was more than a touch of sarcasm in the post you replied to.
 

cider spurs

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i think there was more than a touch of sarcasm in the post you replied to.


You are most probably right. (y)

Note to self; I must not just read the written, but let the brain also absorb the said words and their relevance.

Oh...and maybe invest in a new sarcasm monitor. It seems my X1 Deluxe has finally given up the ghost.

Argos here I come. (y)
 

BENNO

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No you're right, that is silly. They played their hearts out, gave 100%, and I mean everyone did that. Not just that, Liverpool were that bloody good we just couldn't compete with them.

There is a world of difference between not giving 100% and not being physically able to give 100%.
 

Sir Henry

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There is a world of difference between not giving 100% and not being physically able to give 100%.

There was more fight, determination and will to win from the poisoned players after eating their lasagne against the scummy spammers than there was in the CL final. It didnt even come close and that was a team that was literally unwell.
 

buckley

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So if city clean sweep again the other 91 clubs are failures.
Instead of putting all there energy into reasons why spurs are not a success perhaps these media twats would like a new agenda.
The horizon in English football would be completely different if Man City and Chelsea were not financially doped .
It is a reasonable assumption that we would have had a couple of trophies over the Poch tenure if not for Abramovich and Monsour.
Their agenda should be that these uber rich clubs are killing competition with there vast sums of cash with no need to be fiscally aware and their willingness to cheat FFP and also they have in their overpaying in transfer fees and wages made it difficult for even the rich clubs like Man Unt albeit there wealth was earned by years of success on the field of play .
You have Abramovich whose wealth is connected with the Russian mafia.
You have the arab oil sheiks who have what is amongst the worst human rights record on this planet paying workers as little as three pound a day and safety record on there building projects is practically non existence leading to many deaths each week on there building sites and they treat these Pakistani and Bangladeshi workers like less than human .
Perhaps mr Sterling who is always going on about racism might like to address his paymasters racism or does his stand only apply to footballers (hypocrite) I digress I know but it makes me angry this media led agenda ( mostly sky pundits) against a club that is trying to be a success organically and only spend what it earns rather than a vast pit of money available without the need to balance any books.
My sons and me give no credence to anything that city or Chelsea win as without the £££££££ not earned thru being a club run fiscally correct IN all likelihood there trophy cabinet would be on a par with ours..
 

BENNO

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There was more fight, determination and will to win from the poisoned players after eating their lasagne against the scummy spammers than there was in the CL final. It didnt even come close and that was a team that was literally unwell.

Unfortunately you obviously lack an understanding of what chemical processes go on inside the human body in order for it to 'power' you (which is understandably, i doubt many people do). So yes, it's quite plausible that players who are suffering or have suffered the effects of a stomach bug could still display more 'effort' than a player who is suffering from significant fatigue. They are two completely different things.

It wouldn't matter a jot whether it was a CL winners medal up for grabs or literally a life or death situation, if your body isn't powering the muscles properly then they will not work properly, it is as black and white as that. Hence both teams looked like they were playing a pre season game, because they had enough energy to play at perhaps 75% , but when that extra burst of pace was required there was no power there to produce it. And as the brain requires the same energy, then speed of thought and concentration will also be compromised.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with 'fight/determination or will to win'. To be flippant, it would be like suggesting a car with no petrol could could still drive if it tried hard enough.
 
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