Josh Onomah - Sheffield Wednesday

[JimmyG2]

I remember Kane when he was shit.

And remember the welsh kid that we wanted to sell?

I think you mean
the Kane that some Spurs fans
thought was shit
and rushed
to a very premature judgement
on one of our own.
he was always
a dedicated and striving young player
with a range of skills
that he has subsequently
refined and developed.

I was an early adopter.

 

[Shadydan]

Let's not rewrite history, Kane was awful and didn't look like he woykd make it at Spurs for a long time.

 

[Timberwolf]

Let's not rewrite history, Kane was awful and didn't look like he woykd make it at Spurs for a long time.

I dunno if that's strictly true though. Sure, he didn't look a world beater, but he was pretty good on a couple of loans. He wasn't scoring tons but he showed promise and the odd touch of class, especially at Millwall. Some people wrote him off but the others were singing his praises.

If anything calling him awful is rewriting history. He wasn't a complete donkey.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/09/harry-kane-loan-millwall-tottenham-fa-cup

 

[Waxman]

Let's not rewrite history, Kane was awful and didn't look like he woykd make it at Spurs for a long time.

WALOB, sorry. He was never, I repeat NEVER awful (or shit like @Col_M said). When he played for the senior team as a raw 18 year old, he was ok...nothing amazing admittedly, but he was not poor. There is no rewriting history. Very few people could have predicted quite how good he'd become, but nobody said he was shit. If there was any dissatisfaction it was that we wanted someone better than the misfiring soldado, and there were grumbles that a kid from our academy was beneath what we should be aspiring to.

 

[Col_M]

not bollocks, He was terrible. But let’s keep this thread on track

 

[Waxman]

not bollocks, He was terrible. But let’s keep this thread on track

Ok, to keep it on track. Expectations of youth players should not be for them to be the finished article at 18 (or even 21). When Skipp does something "terrible" in a match, he's not "shit", he's learning. Kane showed glimpses from day one, of a very good player, as has onomah and Skipp and Edwards. There is no guarantee that any of onomah, Skipp, Edwards will make it at our club, but it's also way too early to write them off.

 

[JimmyG2]

Contrary to popular belief
I don't think that anyone
passing through our Academy
including the receptionist
and the tea lady
should be fast tracked
straight into the Spurs squad.

I do believe that any showing any promise
should be backed supported and cherished
and given every opportunity.

Four successful graduates
for Spurs at the moment
(Kane Winks, Skipp and KWP
with possibly more to come)
is a tremendous and heartening return.

 

[Shadydan]

WALOB, sorry. He was never, I repeat NEVER awful (or shit like @Col_M said). When he played for the senior team as a raw 18 year old, he was ok...nothing amazing admittedly, but he was not poor. There is no rewriting history. Very few people could have predicted quite how good he'd become, but nobody said he was shit. If there was any dissatisfaction it was that we wanted someone better than the misfiring soldado, and there were grumbles that a kid from our academy was beneath what we should be aspiring to.

How would you evaluate his time at Leicester?

 

[Waxman]

How would you evaluate his time at Leicester?

A 20 year old playing as a striker in a Championship side trying to gain promotion? I think he did adequately. Are you trying to prove me wrong, and that Harry Kane was indeed awful before he was world class?? Seriously?

 

[mill]

A 20 year old playing as a striker in a Championship side trying to gain promotion? I think he did adequately. Are you trying to prove me wrong, and that Harry Kane was indeed awful before he was world class?? Seriously?

I thought Pearson played him at lw most of his time there

 

[Blake Griffin]

WALOB, sorry. He was never, I repeat NEVER awful (or shit like @Col_M said). When he played for the senior team as a raw 18 year old, he was ok...nothing amazing admittedly, but he was not poor. There is no rewriting history. Very few people could have predicted quite how good he'd become, but nobody said he was shit. If there was any dissatisfaction it was that we wanted someone better than the misfiring soldado, and there were grumbles that a kid from our academy was beneath what we should be aspiring to.

i'm pretty sure that if you were to look back through old threads then you will find many posts calling him exactly that .. or slow, weak, uncoordinated, nothing special etc. not that those posts are evidence of the truth, but that was definitely the overriding perception of kane at that age.

 

[Waxman]

i'm pretty sure that if you were to look back through old threads then you will find many posts calling him exactly that .. or slow, weak, uncoordinated, nothing special etc. not that those posts are evidence of the truth, but that was definitely the overriding perception of kane at that age.

Accepted, but that doesn't make it so. You'll find posts challenging those dismissals of Kane's ability too I'm sure. He was not awful or shit

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Accepted, but that doesn't make it so. You'll find posts challenging those dismissals of Kane's ability too I'm sure. He was not awful or shit

It's all about perspective.

The first time I saw kane properly was a TV game in eufa cup where kane was played on the left of a front 3 under AVB iirc. Being aware he was a striker I thought he did well without pulling up trees. I noticed the lack of straight line pace but noticed he had bits to compensate like like shielding and ball control. I thi k he always showed he was technically competent.

 

[blackburn]

Anyway, irrespective of Kane, Bale or anybody else young Josh has a lot to prove before he is anywhere near a top 4 team which is what we are.

 

[Shadydan]

A 20 year old playing as a striker in a Championship side trying to gain promotion? I think he did adequately. Are you trying to prove me wrong, and that Harry Kane was indeed awful before he was world class?? Seriously?

I don't need to prove you wrong, just stop being stubborn and open your eyes.

He had a bad loan spell at Leicester, no need for the cavaets or the excuses - just accept it. Didn't look anything like progressing to become a footballer at the top level let alone a world class one.

You know you are allowed to say Kane played poorly prior to his resergence, call it how it is.

At the end of the day Kane looked promising at times but the common opinion seemed to be that he lacked what it took to get to the top level and whilst he had a good couple of loan spells he also had a couple of bad ones.

 

[Flobadob]

I dunno if that's strictly true though. Sure, he didn't look a world beater, but he was pretty good on a couple of loans. He wasn't scoring tons but he showed promise and the odd touch of class, especially at Millwall. Some people wrote him off but the others were singing his praises.

If anything calling him awful is rewriting history. He wasn't a complete donkey.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/09/harry-kane-loan-millwall-tottenham-fa-cup

Yeah I really don’t understand why people say he used to be shit. He was never shit. I remember going to Portman Road with a mate to watch Ipswich play millwall and I remember coming away thinking he looked quality. He was a step ahead of every other player on the pitch and everything good Millwall produced went through him playing in the 10 role

 

[Khilari]

Lots of "we thought Kane was shit" talk, and very little on Josh Onomah here...

Onomah looked like he has all the attributes to be a great CM, but he just may not have adapted to his loan manager's (Bruce's) tactics and also perhaps lost his way. Is he just despondent that he's not progressed after the U20 WC, where he looked excellent? Perhaps he thought it was going to be his season to make it.

I always wondered if Pochettino's comments about players being 'too comfortable' referred to some of the young players at Tottenham on good contracts and that working hard or in less privileged environments to help growth, referred to the likes of Onomah?

In any case, I think the onus is on Josh Onomah to prove he wants it and fight for his place in what is an overpopulated highly competitive squad. Hope he makes it despite the recent signs being a little ominous.

 

[chinaman]

I don't need to prove you wrong, just stop being stubborn and open your eyes.

He had a bad loan spell at Leicester, no need for the cavaets or the excuses - just accept it. Didn't look anything like progressing to become a footballer at the top level let alone a world class one.

You know you are allowed to say Kane played poorly prior to his resergence, call it how it is.

At the end of the day Kane looked promising at times but the common opinion seemed to be that he lacked what it took to get to the top level and whilst he had a good couple of loan spells he also had a couple of bad ones.

And I think someone here actually said something like he'll eat his undie if Kane played in the EPL.

 

[Hakkz]

But then people, including me, didn't see anything in Sissoko the last 2 seasons either. Who could tell how different he would be this season? Just maybe something will click with Josh and he'll come good.
To be fair lots were writing off Harry Kane after his loans and saying similar to your retort about JO.
I'll just wait and see as I thought JO bossed the world cup final that England youngsters won last summer.

Should have kept Kyle Naughton and Tom Carroll too then? I mean, they could have come good at some point.

 

[Hakkz]

And I think someone here actually said something like he'll eat his undie if Kane played in the EPL.

@kaz Hirai *cough cough*